madannie77 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Tocsin Don't know if this is difficult or not; but I'd never heard of it. There are multiple answers the one I'm after relates to the period May - October 1840 and is specific to Sheffield. I think the most difficult thing will be reading it: it appears to be a long winded anti-Papist rant in Victorian guise.The author(s) of the first paragraph sums it up nicely by claiming the aim of the Church of Rome is "the perversion of England to Popery". And there are 90 plus pages of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 I think the most difficult thing will be reading it: it appears to be a long winded anti-Papist rant in Victorian guise.The author(s) of the first paragraph sums it up nicely by claiming the aim of the Church of Rome is "the perversion of England to Popery". And there are 90 plus pages of it Tocsin Well found ! Indeed a difficult read, but, its history and Sheffield-related - had you heard of it Madannie ? because I'm sure I hadn't. May we should transcribe any interesting Sheffield bits ... or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madannie77 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Tocsin Well found ! Indeed a difficult read, but, its history and Sheffield-related - had you heard of it Madannie ? because I'm sure I hadn't. May we should transcribe any interesting Sheffield bits ... or maybe not. I have come across Tocsin used by radical groups of various kinds as a name for a newsletter or pamphlet, tocsin being an alarm bell or signal, but I had not come across the Sheffield version before. I will be easy to transcribe the interesting bits, if the rest of it is as bad as the first couple of pages. Not only is most (if not all) of it utter drivel, but it is written in fantastically flowery and convoluted Victorian English. I might have found a cure for the insomnia I occasionally suffer from . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 I have come across Tocsin used by radical groups of various kinds as a name for a newsletter or pamphlet, tocsin being an alarm bell or signal, but I had not come across the Sheffield version before. I will be easy to transcribe the interesting bits, if the rest of it is as bad as the first couple of pages. Not only is most (if not all) of it utter drivel, but it is written in fantastically flowery and convoluted Victorian English. I might have found a cure for the insomnia I occasionally suffer from . The Oxford Tract Heresy has assumed a more distinct position in the Church and is now prominently before the nation as theologically characterising a sect of men who are pendulating between the fervid mummeries of Popery and the simple piety of Protestantism The recent defections from Protestantism in the persons of the Rev RW Sibthorp and others sufficiently indicate the direction which the whole sect will ultimately take God grant the whole result may come before our venerable ecclesiastical establishment be irreparably damaged. -------------------------------- Now't wrong with that passage (from the introduction), I'm fond of fervid mummeries as it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 14, 2010 Author Share Posted November 14, 2010 Prince Charles Edward Stuart, the Young Pretender supposedly stayed in Sheffield, what was the name of the house he stayed in please ? (In fact he was not in England until the next year but we will let that slide for the purpose of the question). The last difficult question turned out not to be difficult, here's hoping this one is (in a Sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 Ludlam's Dog, so Lazy It used to lay down to Bark Associated with Witches in Surrey and many other places; but also asociated with which Sheffield Pub please ? And, what year, what century even ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Ludlam's Dog, so Lazy It used to lay down to Bark Associated with Witches in Surrey and many other places; but also asociated with which Sheffield Pub please ? And, what year, what century even ! http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Hall_of_Waltheof/Chapter_XVIII 12.↑ "In my boyish days, one Ludlam kept it. Was it he to whom belonged the dog which gave occasion to the proverbial saying, 'As idle as Ludlam's dog, that lay down to bark'?" [No such public house as the " Royal Oak " occurs in a Sheffield Directory dated 1822 (Baines, Leeds), in Scotland street, but two other "Royal Oaks" are mentioned. Nor does it occur in a Directory of 1849. The Directory of 1787 has "Ludlam George, victualler, Scotland Street."—S. O. A.]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 http://en.wikisource...f/Chapter_XVIII 12.↑ "In my boyish days, one Ludlam kept it. Was it he to whom belonged the dog which gave occasion to the proverbial saying, 'As idle as Ludlam's dog, that lay down to bark'?" [No such public house as the " Royal Oak " occurs in a Sheffield Directory dated 1822 (Baines, Leeds), in Scotland street, but two other "Royal Oaks" are mentioned. Nor does it occur in a Directory of 1849. The Directory of 1787 has "Ludlam George, victualler, Scotland Street."—S. O. A.]" Perfect ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Try this one for the New Year ' Windsor Castle' (a house) 1850's and it's out in the sticks a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Try this one for the New Year ' Windsor Castle' (a house) 1850's and it's out in the sticks a bit. I like it !!! Got no idea, at present, obviously he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Try this one for the New Year ' Windsor Castle' (a house) 1850's and it's out in the sticks a bit. Not counting the pubs (ale house) I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 Try this one for the New Year ' Windsor Castle' (a house) 1850's and it's out in the sticks a bit. I, for one, needeth a clue, prithee ... A Load of Old Tosh - Shakespeare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Try this one for the New Year ' Windsor Castle' (a house) 1850's and it's out in the sticks a bit. I, for one, needeth a clue, prithee ... A Load of Old Tosh - Shakespeare But, for my own part, it was Greek to me. Julius Caesar (Act I, Scene II) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I, for one, needeth a clue, prithee ... A Load of Old Tosh - Shakespeare Did Shakespeare say "A load of Old Tosh"? Or was it me? In another topic where the Bard was mentioned I expressed my dislike for his works by dismissing them as either "A load of old tosh" or something similar. If Shakespeare said it first than that was clever of me wasn't it, - using one of his own catchphrases to belittle his entire works ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Not counting the pubs (ale house) I assume. Not marked as but I suppose it could have been ? I, for one, needeth a clue, prithee ... A Load of Old Tosh - Shakespeare I have come to the conclusion that Windsor Castle is not within the present Sheffield boundary, although it was just to the east of Wharncliffe Chase. This is where it was .. Flash Earth Sorry to have misled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Not marked as but I suppose it could have been ? I have come to the conclusion that Windsor Castle is not within the present Sheffield boundary, although it was just to the east of Wharncliffe Chase. This is where it was .. Flash Earth Sorry to have misled. Disgraceful - Shocking. I for one will be taking my ball home immediately after spitting out my dummy. Where was it mentioned Steve. I couldn't find anything at all apart from (as I said) the pubs, and some big place daan saaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I don't know if this one has been asked before on here but does anyone know when and where the first brick house was built in Sheffield? I came across this in an old book in the local studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Didn't it have stone corners ? because they weren't sure how long it would last ... can't remember any more at present. Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I don't know if this one has been asked before on here but does anyone know when and where the first brick house was built in Sheffield? I came across this in an old book in the local studies. Just PM'd you. Odd - I found reference to it being demolished in 1837. What's strange is that the book was written in 1832 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just PM'd you. Odd - I found reference to it being demolished in 1837. What's strange is that the book was written in 1832 ?? Planning permission, huh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just PM'd you. Odd - I found reference to it being demolished in 1837. What's strange is that the book was written in 1832 ?? Well done vox, there's no flies on you eerm you know what I mean You are just one year out to what I read but you know what these old books are like eg: demolished in 1837 and they read about it in 1832 ??? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The first brick built house was built in 1696 in Pepper Alley. Now the next question is . . Where was Pepper Alley? I haven't a clue :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 The first brick built house was built in 1696 in Pepper Alley. Now the next question is . . Where was Pepper Alley? I haven't a clue It ran between Fargate and Norfolk Street Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 It ran between Fargate and Norfolk Street Link Does part of it still exist near the chapel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 The first brick built house was built in 1696 in Pepper Alley. Now the next question is . . Where was Pepper Alley? I haven't a clue Try here, page 32 Scrapbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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