RichardB Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Got a Cross Scythes at 147 Derbyshire Lane, Meersbrook and one at Four Lane Ends, Norton not knowing the area - are these possibly one and the same or definately distinct pproperties please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Got a Cross Scythes at 147 Derbyshire Lane, Meersbrook and one at Four Lane Ends, Norton not knowing the area - are these possibly one and the same or definately distinct pproperties please ? I would have thought "Four Lane Ends" Norton was Meadowhead, but I have never seen a Cross Scythes mentioned However where the present Cross Scythes is on Derbyshire Lane it is a cross roads so I suppose could be called 4 lane ends, but its not really Norton. Skeets will know he used to live near there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I would have thought "Four Lane Ends" Norton was Meadowhead, but I have never seen a Cross Scythes mentioned However where the present Cross Scythes is on Derbyshire Lane it is a cross roads so I suppose could be called 4 lane ends, but its not really Norton. Skeets will know he used to live near there. There is a Cross Scythes at Totley on the Baslow Road ( I was barred for drinking underage in 1965 not been in since. ) http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/y02045.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 There is a Cross Scythes at Totley on the Baslow Road ( I was barred for drinking underage in 1965 not been in since. ) How old were you at the time? Did you look particularly young? Both the Cross Sythes and the Fleur de Leys at Totley used to be frequnted by teacher training students from the college that used to be out that way and a lot of those looked fairly young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 How old were you at the time? Did you look particularly young? Both the Cross Sythes and the Fleur de Leys at Totley used to be frequnted by teacher training students from the college that used to be out that way and a lot of those looked fairly young. I was 17 at the time and have still got my youthfull looks ( still cant get served in some pubs so i must still look young ? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I was 17 at the time and have still got my youthfull looks ( still cant get served in some pubs so i must still look young ? ) Pity you missed out on the Cross Sythes then. The teacher training college at Totley specialised mainly in PE, domestic science, cookery, housecraft and needlework / textiles (girls craft subjects). This meant, as most of us lads knew, that you were almost certain to meet some nice, attractive, intelligent, well educated, pretty and very elligible single unattached young ladies . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I would have thought "Four Lane Ends" Norton was Meadowhead, but I have never seen a Cross Scythes mentioned However where the present Cross Scythes is on Derbyshire Lane it is a cross roads so I suppose could be called 4 lane ends, but its not really Norton. Skeets will know he used to live near there. "Four Lane Ends" Derbyshire Lane next to Norton Cemetery. Flash Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 "Four Lane Ends" Derbyshire Lane next to Norton Cemetery. Flash Earth Right the location of the present Cross Scythes was called Four Lane Ends, so to answer Richards original question yes they probably are the same properties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Right the location of the present Cross Scythes was called Four Lane Ends, so to answer Richards original question yes they probably are the same properties. I agree with that Stuart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 There are a few more examples of Four Lane Ends (or Four Lanes End) Hackenthorpe had a Four Lanes End at the junctions of Sheffield Rd, Birley Lane, Birley Moor Rd. and Moor Valley Hollinsend (where the Rex Cinema used to be) was a Four Lanes End. Historically I suppose it was a very common way of local people referring to a place. I know there were others but I can't think where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 There are a few more examples of Four Lane Ends (or Four Lanes End) Hackenthorpe had a Four Lanes End at the junctions of Sheffield Rd, Birley Lane, Birley Moor Rd. and Moor Valley Hollinsend (where the Rex Cinema used to be) was a Four Lanes End as well Historically I suppose it was a very common way of local people referring to a place. I know there were others but I can't think where. Flash Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Just found a modern map and edited my post Steve. Seems it's still called that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 There are a few more examples of Four Lane Ends (or Four Lanes End) Hackenthorpe had a Four Lanes End at the junctions of Sheffield Rd, Birley Lane, Birley Moor Rd. and Moor Valley Junctions of Sheffield Rd, Birley Lane, Birley Moor Rd. and Moor Valley, are not named as Four Lanes, on the pre 1930 map, vox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Junctions of Sheffield Rd, Birley Lane, Birley Moor Rd. and Moor Valley, are not named as Four Lanes, on the pre 1930 map, vox. Probably not Steve, but that's what we called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Just posted this as a separate topic as well. "For several generations the family (Tyzacks) lived at Four Lane Ends, not far from where Benjamin had lived. Paul, Mark’s son, was said to be of Hackenthorpe. Paul’s grandson Moses was of Derbyshire Lane, which was really at Four Lane Ends. There is still one of the original cottages standing, at the corner of Norton Lees Lane, directly opposite Scarsdale Road." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Somewhere on here there is another topic about Four Lanes End - Mansfield Rd/Hollinsend, I can't find it Sure somebody will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Just found a modern map and edited my post Steve. Seems it's still called that now. As an Intake resident we have on Mansfield Road, - Manor Top (obviously at Manor Top) Intake (junction at Richmond Road, where dual carriageway ends) Hollins End (officially called 4 lane ends? Known to us as Hollins End) Birley Bottom (the old bus terminus at the lowest point where the shirebrook crosses the road) The shirebrook at Birley bottom was the old shire county boundary (Yorkshire / Derbyshire) and beyond that it was Birley Moor Road in the rural district of Chesterfield which climbed the hill to Frechville, even though today Sheffield extends well beyond this old boundary, - all the way through Frechville, through "Occy Top" (the junction with Occupation Lane) down to a NEW 4 lane ends where the Supertram crosses the road, up to Lane end (the junction with white lane from Gleadless, Ridgeway and Ford) and down to another 4 lane ends at Mosborough crossroads. You then climb and out of Mosborough and descend half way down the road to Eckington, at the junction with Windmill Greenway before reaching the current City boundary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Got a Cross Scythes at 147 Derbyshire Lane, Meersbrook and one at Four Lane Ends, Norton not knowing the area - are these possibly one and the same or definately distinct pproperties please ? According to the data I've got it's the same, these are the addresses of the pub up to1922 Cross Scythes , Four Lane Ends , Norton 1862 Mrs S Pearson [ Four Lane Ends ] 1865 Mrs S Pearson 1876 Sarah Pearson 1879 John Linley [ Derbyshire Lane] 1883 Enos Brown [ Four Lane Ends ] 1887 Enos Brown [ Derbyshire Lane , Meersbrook Bank] 1888 Enos Brown [ Four Lane Ends , Meersbrook Norton ] 1889 Enos Watson [ Four Lane Ends , Norton Lees ] 1893 Joseph Webster [ Derbyshire Lane, Meersbrook Bank ] 1895/6 Joseph Webster [ Norton Lees ] 1898 Joseph Webster [ Norton Lees ] 1902 Montague Dodgson Harbond [ Derbyshire Lane ] 1903 Montague Dodgson Harbord [147 Derbyshire Lane ] 1905 Mrs Henrietta Harbord [ 147 Derbyshire Lane , Meersbrook ] 1907 Kate H Duggan 1910 Kate H Duggan 1912, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, George Wright [ 147 Derbyshire Lane , Meersbrook ] After it was given a number [147] the address seems to have stayed stable. Posted to A to z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Having said all this and looking at the picture of the Cross Scythes on the A to Z , it does look a bit modern. Our first date starts at 1825, could the old stone building at the side of the pub have been the original? Does anyone know the history of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Having said all this and looking at the picture of the Cross Scythes on the A to Z , it does look a bit modern. Our first date starts at 1825, could the old stone building at the side of the pub have been the original? Does anyone know the history of this? The pub was rebuilt in the 30's. It was there long before that, when Derbyshire Lane was the main route to London before (I presume) Chesterfield Road was built. We need an expert on maps and turnpike roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 picturesheffield link the old Cross Scythes Derbyshire Lane And another Here's one dated 1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 1891 kelly's Mathews George, Cross Scythes P.H. Derbyshire Lane, Woodseats 1901 census Henrietta Webster 147,Derbyshire Lane,Norton ?? (Numbers could have changed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 The pub was rebuilt in the 30's. It was there long before that, when Derbyshire Lane was the main route to London before (I presume) Chesterfield Road was built. We need an expert on maps and turnpike roads. No expert me, but it is written that the turnpike by-pass to Derbyshire lane via Chesterfield road, Woodseats and Meadow Head was built in 1795. Howard Smith, Sheffield's Turpike Roads - in Aspects of Sheffield 1, Discovering Local History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 No expert me, but it is written that the turnpike by-pass to Derbyshire lane via Chesterfield road, Woodseats and Meadow Head was built in 1795. Howard Smith, Sheffield's Turpike Roads - in Aspects of Sheffield 1, Discovering Local History. Well if that's right Gramps you've got the date back to before 1795 because I was told that the new route took the trade from the original Cross Scythes when the new route opened. A friend of mine owned the old house next door and I think that's how I know. I'm not in touch with them any more, they moved to Spain about 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Well if that's right Gramps you've got the date back to before 1795 because I was told that the new route took the trade from the original Cross Scythes when the new route opened. A friend of mine owned the old house next door and I think that's how I know. I'm not in touch with them any more, they moved to Spain about 15 years ago. Anybody who is interested in the Turnpike from Sheffield out towards Dronfield should read this book Not sure if its still in print ISBN 0-9521541-5-3 As Gramps says the present Chesterfield Rd was built in 1797, on the 11th September 1802 the old turnpike was officially closed by JP's sitting in a special session at Meersbrook House. The other major change during its existence was the re-routing of Derbyshire Lane in 1756 to have traffic diverted from passing nearby Meersbrook House, previously Derbyshire lane left the the present A61 Chesterfield Rd at Meersbrook, this was an easier straighter route as opposed to the route of the present Derbyshire Lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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