RichardB Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 and the answer, of course, was with us all along : The Times, 17th February 1962 via Chris Hobbs website. So, go on then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Up to four dead now, although for the life of me I've no idea where or what Bridwell is. Star 2/2/2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 as the storm that hit Sheffield passed south-east things got even worse ... Sheffield Windstorm February 16, 1962 South Yorkshire (Northern England). The city experienced winds of at least 65 knots with reported gusts of ?broken link? or more. These high wind speeds were very localised on the city area, possibly due to extreme lee-wave enhancement of the airflow downwind of the Pennines. North Sea flood of 1962 February 17, 1962 The above mentioned storm had moved south-east and reached the German coast of the North Sea with wind speeds up to 200 km/h. The accompanied storm surge combined with high tide pushed water up the Weser and Elbe, breaching dikes and caused extensive flooding, especially in Hamburg. 315 people were killed, around 60,000 were left homeless. also Wiki North_Sea_flood_of_1962 --------- Sheffield 1962 - Windstorm, Gale or Hurricane ? Lets have an arguement ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 There were three fatalities; aged 17, 30 and 57 The Sheffield Star dated 16 February 1962 claims there were 4 fatalities and not 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Its just an eigenvalue problem based on the vertical structure equation for stationary, internal gravity waves. I'd have thought everyone knew that. For those of you who don't have brains the size and complexity of solar systems, here's an explanation (or just read the three relevant pages in the pdf, I would think it will not make a huge difference whether you read the extract or the whole thing; I can't get past the introduction ...) did you enjoy that ? Any the wiser ? No, nor me. I understand it Richard, my scientific and mathematical background helps, - integral and differential equations are usully not as bad as they look. Then again I though you knew a fair bit of physics so it can't be that bad can it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Four it is then, the search for full details continues. 50 years on, we should be able to sort this, with full details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 http://www.britishpa...urricane-damage The Sheffield Gales of 1962 stating one of the victims was Crookes, maybe they meant Crookesmoor. The one I was talking about was in Ellison Street, Netherthorpe. I know there was a newspaper report of it. I have posted this video link previously in post #68 Nice to see it again though as it is filmed in part on the Arbourthorne (Errington Road) and has images of wrecked houses and people I can still remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Once I work it out the answer to the un-asked question "Why ?" is in the Lee wave Schrodinger equation - bear with me, this might takes a while ... The Schrodinger wave equation (1926) A piece of pure mathematical quantum physics. The equation can be used to predict the probability of finding an electron with a given energy at a particular point in an atom and produces the orbital atomic distributions of electron density. It is so complex that it has only been fully solved a single electron atomic system. OK, so that's hydrogen sorted, - what about the other 100 or so elements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 and the answer, of course, was with us all along : The Times, 17th February 1962 via Chris Hobbs website. Well, to quote Chris Hobbs from his site on lee wave winds, - The actual cause of the gales is difficult to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'm actually highly qualified inquantum physics and needlework - the way I read it (i.e. as a simpleton) was : nasty weather climbs up a hill, drops down the other side, gets stuck between a bunch of hills and creates a "hammer effect" as it rolls around; then heads off to Germany/Netherlands where it causes a lot of floods. There may be several more academic interpretations of what actually went on, particularly from people who have a clue; I've asked a clever person at work to have a gander ... he's known as Professor Wind, I'm Mr Gas-bag. The Schrodinger wave equation (1926) A piece of pure mathematical quantum physics. The equation can be used to predict the probability of finding an electron with a given energy at a particular point in an atom and produces the orbital atomic distributions of electron density. It is so complex that it has only been fully solved a single electron atomic system. OK, so that's hydrogen sorted, - what about the other 100 or so elements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'm actually highly qualified inquantum physics and needlework - the way I read it (i.e. as a simpleton) was : nasty weather climbs up a hill, drops down the other side, gets stuck between a bunch of hills and creates a "hammer effect" as it rolls around; then heads off to Germany/Netherlands where it causes a lot of floods. There may be several more academic interpretations of what actually went on, particularly from people who have a clue; I've asked a clever person at work to have a gander ... he's known as Professor Wind, I'm Mr Gas-bag. Geography teachers have to teach about climate and weather conditions in different parts of the world But, unless you come ac ross a particularly clever and well educated one I wouldn't bother asking them to explain a number of atmospheric weather related issues like Lee-wave winds and adiabatic lapse rate to name just two. If a Lee-wave wind is truely a wave of moving air (as the complex looking mathematical equation shows) then presumably if you are stood at a wave node the air will be still with little or no wind at all, but if you are stood a quarter wavelength away in either direction along the winds path then you are at an antinode and would get the full force of the wind. That would make the areas of maximum impact and no effect very difficult, if not impossible, to predict in advance so very little warning of it could be given. All I can say is that on that fatefull night in February 1962 Sheffield was at the antinode of the Lee-wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ellen1987 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hello. I'm a reporter for the Sheffield Star and am writing a piece for the 50th anniversary of the gale. It would be great to include some of your experiences. Please feel free to contact me on 01142 767676 ext 3459 or email ellen.beardmore@thestar.co.uk. Kind regards, Ellen Beardmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Gale damage at Thomas Wilkinson & Sons (Builders) Ltd., Olive Grove Works, Midhill Road, Heeley PictureSheffield link and also in addition more and not good ooops another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Looking across London Road towards Boston Street, showing gale damage being repaired. March 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 British Pathe Sorry if this is on here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Dates and time, addresses From the Fire Brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 <p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Happy Fifth Birthday for tomorrow SheffieldHistory.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"> </p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Not the most dynamic of sites but free, polite and helpful - that'll have to do.</span></span> <img alt="" class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png" title="" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hello. I'm a reporter for the Sheffield Star and am writing a piece for the 50th anniversary of the gale. It would be great to include some of your experiences. Please feel free to contact me on 01142 767676 ext 3459 or email ellen.beardmore@thestar.co.uk. Kind regards, Ellen Beardmore Hello Ellen and welcome to Sheffield History, thank you for posting. The Sheffield gale is one of those events which after living through has stayed with me forever and as you can see I have been a major contributor to this topic on Sheffield History. I have joked, although other members on here will try to hold me to it, that if anyone ever writes a book about this event I suppose it will be me. At present, in full time employment, that is highly unlikely as I would need the extra time in retirement to take on such a project. I would also find it time consuming and demanding to write an article for The Star for a 50th anniversary special report and to meet the deadline for that anniversary, now only days away. However, most of my experiences of the gale are detailed on Sheffield History in this topic and you are welcome to use any of the contents of my posts in your report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 British Pathe Sorry if this is on here already. Posted 3 times now Richard. But it is the best bit of film of the gale and prefab damage we have available so well worth reposting. Currently missing as videos of this event are, - The complete Dimbleby "Panorama" special programme on the gale, - although I have managed to post some stills and short clips of it which have become available. The "Scene at 6:30" local news broadcast on Granada TV, presented by Mike Scott and Bill Grundy. It would be nice to see both of those again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 <p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Happy Fifth Birthday for tomorrow SheffieldHistory.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"> </p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Not the most dynamic of sites but free, polite and helpful - that'll have to do.</span></span> <img alt=" " class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png" title=" " /></p> 5th birthday for Sheffield History 50th anniversary for Sheffield Gale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 To save further "Sorry" comments I'd just like to say we'd much rather have repeated posts of any and all information - from anyone - on any subject(s) than nothing. So if you've got "stuff" - it's welcome here. Posted 3 times now Richard. But it is the best bit of film of the gale and prefab damage we have available so well worth reposting. Currently missing as videos of this event are, - The complete Dimbleby "Panorama" special programme on the gale, - although I have managed to post some stills and short clips of it which have become available. The "Scene at 6:30" local news broadcast on Granada TV, presented by Mike Scott and Bill Grundy. It would be nice to see both of those again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 To save further "Sorry" comments I'd just like to say we'd much rather have repeated posts of any and all information - from anyone - on any subject(s) than nothing. So if you've got "stuff" - it's welcome here. I did say it was well worth reposting The challenge is can we find or obtain the other 2 missing video records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The Sheffield Star dated 16 February 1962 claims there were 4 fatalities and not 3 But the appeal for contributors to a 50th anniversary special reduces it back to 3 http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/12283-fargate/page__view__findpost__p__102531 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 But the appeal for contributors to a 50th anniversary special reduces it back to 3 http://www.sheffield...post__p__102531 Why doesn't the Star dig out some old issues of the stories then we would all have the answer. They must be holding a lot of memories in those old editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why doesn't the Star dig out some old issues of the stories then we would all have the answer. They must be holding a lot of memories in those old editions. It is of course possible to view old copies of The Star at the local studies library, but I am sure that The Star themselves must hold more information on this event than they ever published as so much happened all in one evening. They must have interviewed many witnesses to it and taken more pictures of the damage and then edited down for publication so they must surely still have some stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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