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Supermarket Scene

ASDA Supermarket

Orgreave Way

Sheffield

Supermarket Scene

ASDA Supermarket

Orgreave Way

Sheffield

Supermarket Scene

ASDA Supermarket

Orgreave Way

Sheffield

Of which is no longer standing as it has been demolished and the sloped car park levelled off to create more industrial premises

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SCENE:

STEELWORKS BRASS BAND WALKING

Unless I am very very much mistaken that scene was shot where I walked (with many others) every day of my life for a few years during the 1970's.

It is/was the yard at Sanderson Kaysers on Newhall Road, Attercliffe

I have seen the movie a few times and each time I am more convinced, unfotunatly I have lost touch with all my old work colleagues, so have no way of confirming it - but I am really sure thats where it is

You are bang on. I worked there in the very shop from the first scene back in 1993. The forge had a bigger 3 ton hammer, which is not in shot, and a range of other hammers...culminating in a single leg Massey type. Beyond that was the old high-frequency melt shop, which was closed by 1993 and had been relocated to Darnall works. I remember the first time I saw the film, and I thought to myself "I know that forge". When I was there in 93 they were busier than busy, but by 1996 GEI (then owners) decided to sell, after making losses, and Timken-Latrobe bought them, and promptly closed the forge, sheet mills, rod mills, saw shop, and the melting facilities at Darnall (arc furnace & high frequency). They simply used the plant to sell their own steel, and a 200 year old steelmaking dynasty became a shop for American steels.

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You are bang on. I worked there in the very shop from the first scene back in 1993. The forge had a bigger 3 ton hammer, which is not in shot, and a range of other hammers...culminating in a single leg Massey type. Beyond that was the old high-frequency melt shop, which was closed by 1993 and had been relocated to Darnall works. I remember the first time I saw the film, and I thought to myself "I know that forge". When I was there in 93 they were busier than busy, but by 1996 GEI (then owners) decided to sell, after making losses, and Timken-Latrobe bought them, and promptly closed the forge, sheet mills, rod mills, saw shop, and the melting facilities at Darnall (arc furnace & high frequency). They simply used the plant to sell their own steel, and a 200 year old steelmaking dynasty became a shop for American steels.

Thanks for the confirmation mate -I was fairly convinced it was S&K but never had it confirmed up to now - and thanks for letting me know what happened to the place - I was there from 74 - 79 - I worked both at Newhall Road and for a short time up at Darnall Works - that was a bloody impressive place to be when they tapped the steel - or when the wire in the wire shop being pulled/rolled missed one of the guides and ended up snaking round the shop floor - men runnning in all directions so you didnt get your ankles burned.

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The jogging ones Mount Road, the pics with the cars on are Mount Road and the ones with no cars Pickering Road.

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Thanks for the confirmation mate -I was fairly convinced it was S&K but never had it confirmed up to now - and thanks for letting me know what happened to the place - I was there from 74 - 79 - I worked both at Newhall Road and for a short time up at Darnall Works - that was a bloody impressive place to be when they tapped the steel - or when the wire in the wire shop being pulled/rolled missed one of the guides and ended up snaking round the shop floor - men runnning in all directions so you didnt get your ankles burned.

It was indeed Sanderson Kaysers Factory but it is now Mayflower Technology and has been since 1998.

I work there now.

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Thanks mate

You have no idea how long it took us to sniff that one out...

About 3 months !

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the notice board is not winckobank its effingham rd.....its the only gas holder...at the time of filming....that was painted blue an grey

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The shot of the telephone box with a weird domed building is taken from the junction of Heeley Bank Road / Olive Grove Road...

Very roughly as I have not lived in Sheffield for 20 years and memory isn't as good as it was.

That is the council road grid storage / loading place.

This is exactly where this shot was taken. It is near Olive Grove Road and Bus Depot. You also pass it on the train, just on your way into Sheffield, from a westerly direction.

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I started school at Langsett school on Burton street...and used to walk up that very road trying not to step on the cracks in the pavement. This was in the late 60's and it looks exactly the same on those pictures. Of course back then there were hundreds of little terraced houses all around that area. They were knocking them down while I was growing up....and they knocked ours down when I was about 10 or 11.

Those communities were fantastic though.

I didn't like the film.

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this is a fabulous website! i'm a tourist from Romania, just visiting Sheffield these days. a friend that lives here has taken me to see all the important locations. i've taken some pictures up on the grassy hill (the keep fit scene with the footie) and i'll try to build a 360 panorama and maybe you can add it to the website!

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great! i'm glad that i can help the montymania website!

i went to see geralds house today and it's undergoing refurbishment. i managed to take a great picture that i'm gonna give to ya as soon as i get home (to romania) and download them to my computer. that's when i'm gonna do the panorama too. if people would send you their pictures we could see how those places changed over time. mine are from today and the day before yesterday. i haven't gone to all of the locations, just those that are important to me.

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great! i'm glad that i can help the montymania website!

i went to see geralds house today and it's undergoing refurbishment. i managed to take a great picture that i'm gonna give to ya as soon as i get home (to romania) and download them to my computer. that's when i'm gonna do the panorama too. if people would send you their pictures we could see how those places changed over time. mine are from today and the day before yesterday. i haven't gone to all of the locations, just those that are important to me.

Wow, looking forward to seeing your pictures. And Welcome and Thank You lol

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That would be fantastic !!!

If you do it - email it to admin@sheffieldhistory.co.uk and we'll add it to both this site and http://www.montymania.co.uk

I could do a 360 of my waistline, with panoramic shots of my SheffieldHistoryless T-shirt if you like lol

I'm not sure its a collection anyone would be keen to view mind you, lets stick with the "Monty" style photos, eh ?

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I could do a 360 of my waistline, with panoramic shots of my SheffieldHistoryless T-shirt if you like lol

I'm not sure its a collection anyone would be keen to view mind you, lets stick with the "Monty" style photos, eh ?

well, i'll just do it anyway, he doesn't have to place it on the website. it looked interesting to me. i will send him the photos and he can choose what he wants to put online ;)

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Lived in the USA since 83 from Chapeltown never been able to afford to go home but The Full Monty brought me to tears of Laughter when I saw it and still does today.

David Cooke

A Brit in the USA

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The shot with the phone box in the middle, a shop on the left, and a igloo on the right is I believe Heeley Bank Road.

The shot taken from the corner of the bus depot on Charlotte Road .

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The shot with the phone box in the middle, a shop on the left, and a igloo on the right is I believe Heeley Bank Road.

The shot taken from the corner of the bus depot on Charlotte Road .

I really DO need to get that shot sorted

I drive past it every morning !

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FULL MONTY OPENING SCENE - The picture of the Old Red Phone Box and the doorway of the shop is on the corner of Heeley Bank Road and Olive Grove Rd, We bought the shop & adjoining house 10 years ago when it was virtually derelict, we then converted the shop into part of the adjoining house. The phone box in the picture was blown up around bonfire night about 7 or 8 years ago and was removed as it was being used for some dodgy dealings. The Dome is the Sheffield Councils salt dome, used to store grit for the roads and the ugly looking metal thing behind the phone box is a cement silo. We are thinking about selling the house next year and are trying to find out the history of it, we know it was built in 1903 and was originally a beer off ( it still has the old barrel-run in the cellar) we would love to find some old photos if anyone has any.

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Browse the alphabetical Pub/Beerhouses listing (see the Pubs thread) long before giving out your address ! Or PM me, I probably have more Pub related data than anyone. Just a thought.

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List of locations from IMDB Movie site:

Filming locations for

The Full Monty (1997)

ASDA Supermarket, Orgreave Way, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Bacon Lane, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Canal Scene)

Crookes Cemetery, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Graveyard)

Eversure Textiles, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Mandy's Factory)

Langsett School, Burton Street, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Job Club)

Manor Oaks Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Keep Fit sequence)

Meadowbank Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Dave's House)

Pepes, Cambridge Street, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Burger Bar)

Peveril Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Lompers House)

Ruskin Park, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Sanderson Special Steels, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Shiregreen Working Mens Club, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Strip scene)

Ski Village, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Whirlow Park Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Gerald's House)

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List of locations from IMDB Movie site:

Filming locations for

The Full Monty (1997)

ASDA Supermarket, Orgreave Way, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Bacon Lane, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Canal Scene)

Crookes Cemetery, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Graveyard)

Eversure Textiles, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Mandy's Factory)

Langsett School, Burton Street, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Job Club)

Manor Oaks Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Keep Fit sequence)

Meadowbank Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Dave's House)

Pepes, Cambridge Street, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Burger Bar)

Peveril Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Lompers House)

Ruskin Park, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Sanderson Special Steels, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Shiregreen Working Mens Club, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Strip scene)

Ski Village, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

Whirlow Park Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, UK

(Gerald's House)

The shot of the band practicing 'The Stripper' is filmed inside Leadmill Road bus garage, which is today, student flats. It was filmed on a Sunday morning, by the way.

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The Full Monty

Film Location - Bacon Lane, Sheffield

This was a film location used in the Full Monty movie

Bacon Lane is on the canal near Attercliffe in Sheffield

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THE FULL MONTY

Where that film title came from

The release of the film with that title in 1997 provoked requests to explain what it means and where the phrase came from. The former is easy to answer: it just means “the whole thing; everything; the whole lot”. I’d like to oblige regarding the second question, but in the present state of research it’s difficult to say anything much more definitive than “origin unknown”.

It became common in Britain from the early nineties onwards, but has only a sparse recorded history before then. The first reference I’ve come across, dated 1986, is in a book entitled Street Talk, the Language of Coronation Street (Coronation Street being a long-running British soap based on life in a northern town). The next I have is from the Guardian of September 1989:

“What we’re after is a live skeleton — the full monty,” said the stage manager.

One suggestion put forward in a newspaper article is that it was invented in the early eighties by Ben Elton, an alternative comedian, possibly after the model of the whole shebang, which has long been known in Britain, though it originated in the US. But this seems rather unlikely, because my erratic memory is insistent that the phrase was around before the eighties; this impression is backed up by several correspondents who say they heard it as far back as the 1950s. Alas, nobody can provide any documentary evidence for these dates.

It seems that there are almost as many explanations as there are writers doing the explaining. A colleague in the dictionaries department at the Oxford University Press, who has had the thankless job of writing the entry for this expression, claims to have found sixteen different stories. A few of the more common ones are:

* a corruption of “the full amount”;

* a reference to bales full of wool imported from Montevideo;

* from a TV commercial for Del Monte fruit juice, in which one of the characters insisted on the full Del Monte;

* gamblers’ jargon meaning the kitty or pot, deriving from the old US card game called monte;

* the casino at Monte Carlo, in which the full monty would equate with breaking the bank;

* Field Marshal Montgomery on parade with all his medals;

* from Field Marshal Montgomery’s liking for a good breakfast in the morning;

* being supplied by the British tailors Montague Burton with a three-piece suit; or

* being provided with a complete wedding outfit from the same firm.

The first two of these seem extremely unlikely, and the third is almost certainly a recent play on words by an advertising copywriter. The fourth, the gambling origin, is suggested by Tony Thorne in his Dictionary of Contemporary Slang. He also reminds us that monte was once a common Australian and New Zealand term in horse-racing for a good tip or certain bet. Monte is certainly long-attested in both of these senses, but there’s no firm evidence that the full monty has been derived from it, or when it first appeared, or how it got from America or the antipodes into British usage.

Field Marshal Montgomery, General Montgomery as he was during the Second World War, certainly had the nickname Monty (there was a film, you may recall, with the title I Was Monty’s Double, about a man who impersonated him). The stories about Montgomery mostly refer to his liking for a good breakfast, even in the desert during the North Africa campaign. It is said that the phrase was taken up after the War, presumably by ex-servicemen, as a name for the traditional English breakfast of bacon, eggs, fried bread, tomato, mushrooms, toast, and cup of tea. However, this is just as likely to be a rationalisation of an existing expression, but attached to a well-known public figure in the way such things often are. However, I have been told that it was in common use in transport cafés in the 1950s, so there may be something in it.

The Montague Burton story appears to be the most probable. There’s some slight support for it in that several early citations capitalise monty (though this could, of course, apply equally well to General Montgomery). The expression seems to have been in use longer in the north of England, where the firm originated: Mr Burton’s first shop was opened in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, in 1903, and by 1913 he had his headquarters in Sheffield. (This, of course, fits with the Sheffield setting of the film.) The firm became huge, with more than 500 shops by 1929, and it made a quarter of British uniforms in the Second World War and a third of the demobilisation suits.

Here’s what may be a relevant extract, linking the phrase to tailoring, from John le Carré’s The Tailor of Panama, published in 1996 (for which I’m indebted to Nick Skelton):

“What was it we were thinking of having made exactly?”

“Me? Oh, usual sort of thing. Start with a couple o’ lounge suits, see how they go. After that it’s the full Monty.”

“The full Monty,” Pendel repeated in awe, as memories of Uncle Benny nearly drowned him. “It must be twenty years since I heard that expression, Mr Osnard. Bless my soul. The full Monty. My goodness me.”

So far as I’ve been able to discover, Montague Burton never ran a dress hire business, so it is more likely that if the expression originated with them, it did so in relation to the range of suits they sold. A person who knew the business from before the Second World War told me that the firm used to offer a two piece suit as the basic option, but that for a small extra amount you could also have a waistcoat and a spare pair of trousers. Paying the extra meant that you went for the full Monty.

My own preference is for the Montague Burton origin. But that’s just an educated guess, because we don’t have enough evidence. The jury is still out on this one.

Only just joined the site, but I'm from Sheffield , now living in the USA. I used to have a bunch of mates from 83-85 and we'd be out on a Saturday night and all stay over at each other's houses in turn. Sunday morning was a full English breakfast which we always referred to as the "Full Monty". To qualify that meant it had to have Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Beans, Tomato, Black Pudding, Mushrooms and Fried Bread. If any of those ingredients was missing, then it didn't qualify as the "Full Monty". Hope that helps.

At the time the film came out I was living in Jersey (Channel Islands) and went to see it with my wife. i got a chuckle out of the title because of my memories of the aforesaid breakfasts. Immediately the film came on I was in hysterics (much to the confusion of the non-Sheffielders around me) because the film opens up with @Sheffield - City On The Move" which I remembered from school as an 11 or 12 year old and it was so obvious what was coming next! Seen the film many times since and always enjoyed it.

Pity they didn't use the Joe Cocker version of "You Can Leave Your Hat on" as he is from Sheffield after all!

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