Unidentified Public Houses and Refreshment Rooms

[Ponytail]

5 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

That looks good to me Ponytail. The lamp position, gap before the end of the row, and chamfered corners to the building at the end of the row and opposing building - all match!

Trying to find a Directory.. 1879 too early and only has this in 1901

 

[Archaeo]

I think the photographer may be further up the street by counting doorways and judging by the cellar grate you can see just right of the boy which matches one shown on the 1890 OS Town Plan.

[Archaeo]

1905 directory not much better

[Archaeo]

The 1891 Census does not mention any inns, beerhouses etc. the residents of the street being mainly labourers, cutlers and miners. The one commercial trade is a butcher in Court 5.

The papers suggest a different picture, with a number of beerhouses named:

 

Crown Inn, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Wednesday 22 September 1869 (John Goodman refused license as not rated occupier)

 

Unnamed Beerhouse. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 31 March 1862 (“TO LET, a FREE BEERHOUSE, Silver-street, lately occupied by George Kitson, with a large Tap-room, 14 or 15 yards long, and Clubroom, 17 yards long. No Valuation.—For further Particulars inquire at No. 86, Silver-street.”)

 

St. Legor Tavern, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Tuesday 05 February 1924 (re: conditions)

 

Moon Inn, Silver Street. mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Saturday 03 June 1865 (to let)

 

Royal Oak, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 27 June 1870 (to let with adjoining cutler’s shop, apply at Don Brewery)

[Ponytail]

32 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

I think the photographer may be further up the street by counting doorways and judging by the cellar grate you can see just right of the boy which matches one shown on the 1890 OS Town Plan.

I'll go with that. 

Had a whizz through Michael Liversidges book came up with a couple of contradictions.

Odd numbered pubs:

Full Moon 25 Silver Street late 18th century. 

Moon 13 Silver Street (aka Full Moon) unusual name not often found, generally prefixed by half, full, silver etc. 

Odd Fellows Arms 25 Silver Street

Old Oak Tree 13 Silver Street closed early 1900.

Old Windsor Castle 21 Silver Street

Worth a check. 

[Ponytail]

4 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

The 1891 Census does not mention any inns, beerhouses etc. the residents of the street being mainly labourers, cutlers and miners. The one commercial trade is a butcher in Court 5.

The papers suggest a different picture, with a number of beerhouses named:

 

Crown Inn, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Wednesday 22 September 1869 (John Goodman refused license as not rated occupier)

 

Unnamed Beerhouse. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 31 March 1862 (“TO LET, a FREE BEERHOUSE, Silver-street, lately occupied by George Kitson, with a large Tap-room, 14 or 15 yards long, and Clubroom, 17 yards long. No Valuation.—For further Particulars inquire at No. 86, Silver-street.”)

 

St. Legor Tavern, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Tuesday 05 February 1924 (re: conditions)

 

Moon Inn, Silver Street. mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Saturday 03 June 1865 (to let)

 

Royal Oak, Silver Street. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 27 June 1870 (to let with adjoining cutler’s shop, apply at Don Brewery)

The Crown according to Liversidge is No. 52. 

I'm keeping an open mind on any secondary sources until primary sources checked first.

The photograph will likely be like others around late 1890's. 

[Archaeo]

Wilf Banks’ map:

https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/topic/6779-39a-pub-on-every-corner39-by-wilf-banks/

[SteveHB]

2 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

Wilf Banks’ map:

Never take the "Wilf Banks’ maps" as fact, they are not 100% accurate

[Ponytail]

48 minutes ago, SteveHB said:

Never take the "Wilf Banks’ maps" as fact, they are not 100% accurate

Discovered that a few years ago, but as I've recorded elsewhere he was working in different times, didn't have the advantage of old photographs and Census returns, newspapers, if the info wasn't in the card index, it was a troll through endless microfilm newspapers with no index. 

On this occasion his research is similar to Michael Liversidge. We can use the info as a rough guide. 

 

[Archaeo]

More info dump- will digest this later but sharing for others
 

1853 OS Town Plan naming Moon PH

https://maps.nls.uk/view/231282258

 

1879 Directory

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/371328/rec/24

[SteveHB]

1881 directory

[Ponytail]

8 hours ago, SteveHB said:

1881 directory

Strange, that there's no odd numbers with beerhouses recorded but they might not have been open all the years for one reason or another.

According to 1853 Town Map there was definitely The Moon in operation at that time. 

Don't you just love these "pubs with no beer" You can tell by the frontage it's a beerhouse but proving it, always proves interesting. 😂🤣

[Ponytail]

This is an interesting read about Silver Street in the 1870's. Reveals a bit about the occupants and mentions the beerhouses. 

Reminiscences of Old Sheffield, it's streets and it's people. Edited by R. E. Leader. 

Page 178

Star Inn with its inscription "First house in Silver Street 1742  S J  M. It was a apparently a" good double house"  

Of course that was on the opposite side. 

Grocers shop at the top corner run by Mr. Thompson. After failure 37 years ago; gone through a variety of experiences including a beerhouse and at the time (1870's) occupied by renovator of old shoes.

 

Another attempt at Page 178 this one from the download version. 

 

[Edmund]

No pubs shown in Silver street on the 1896 insurance map

[southside]

1871 White's directory

 

 

[Ponytail]

1 hour ago, southside said:

1871 White's directory

 

 

 

It appears the "Unidentified Public House" hasn't been an active one permanently over the years. I thought we could determine it is No. 13, although renumbering at a later date can cause confusion as it appears numbered on the 1890's insurance map as No. 9. Or perhaps both No. 9 and No. 13 were beerhouses at different times.

Oh how I do love these "pubs with no beer" 

Along with the change of publican a change of name can occur. At least we have a name, Thomas Kelly as a starting point. 

It appears only The Moon which is conveniently printed on the 1853 map further down Silver Street is the only named one (official records) on the odd numbered side;  but this establishment appears to have changed from a beerhouse or is unoccupied. By official records I mean Directories, Census etc. 

No. 16 the beerhouse of H. Mallinson, I'm confident is The Star which is referred to in a post made earlier from a publication compiled in the 1870's. It occupied a premise described as previously a double house being the First house in Silver Street 1742. The even side of Silver Street appears to have either been greatly altered or demolished and replaced with Wostenholm Hall. What a shame we don't have an image of the Star. 

A trawl through Brewster Sessions is probably needed. 

[Ponytail]

Rereading the "Reminiscences" page 178 it says a long established grocers shop went out of business and one of the changes of use was a beerhouse but in the 1870's was "a renovator of old shoes" which I take it to be a cobbler. James Ford a cobbler was occupying No. 9 in 1879 Directory. 

[southside]

Whites 1879 directory

 

[southside]

Whites 1862 directory

 

 

[Edmund]

March 1845: To be auctioned Freehold Public House, known by the name of EARL GREY TAVERN , situate at the top of Silver street, with Brewhouse and other outbuildings attached, and now in the occupation of James Spranger Goepel (died 1847). The licence by then held by Mr Bolsover, was suspended in 1855 due to misconduct of the landlord, and an application to renew it in August 1861 was refused due to non-necessity. (Note Goepel previously had the Cutler Arms, Fargate 1833, Norfolk Arms 1835, Earl Grey from 1839, then his wife Sarah Goepel)

December 1845 William Mallinson Silver Street beerhouse keeper, fined for allowing card playing. At the 1851 census William Mallinson was running the Star at No.16. After his death in July 1858 Henry Mallinson (brother?) took over. The 1871 census confirms that Henry Mallinson was at the Star, number 16.

June 1870 Royal Oak beerhouse, Silver Street advertised TO LET - with Cutler's Shops adjoining - apply at the Don Brewery

July 1870 beerhouse licence in Silver street transferred from Ann Simmons to Thos. Kelly

January 1871 TO LET, the premises, Silver street, lately known as "The Moon", suitable for a Sale Shop, Warehouse or Lodging House. Will be altered to suit an incoming tenant.

 

[Ponytail]

1 hour ago, Edmund said:

March 1845: To be auctioned Freehold Public House, known by the name of EARL GREY TAVERN , situate at the top of Silver street, with Brewhouse and other outbuildings attached, and now in the occupation of James Spranger Goepel (died 1847). The licence by then held by Mr Bolsover, was suspended in 1855 due to misconduct of the landlord, and an application to renew it in August 1861 was refused due to non-necessity. (Note Goepel previously had the Cutler Arms, Fargate 1833, Norfolk Arms 1835, Earl Grey from 1839, then his wife Sarah Goepel)

December 1845 William Mallinson Silver Street beerhouse keeper, fined for allowing card playing. At the 1851 census William Mallinson was running the Star at No.16. After his death in July 1858 Henry Mallinson (brother?) took over. The 1871 census confirms that Henry Mallinson was at the Star, number 16.

June 1870 Royal Oak beerhouse, Silver Street advertised TO LET - with Cutler's Shops adjoining - apply at the Don Brewery

July 1870 beerhouse licence in Silver street transferred from Ann Simmons to Thos. Kelly

January 1871 TO LET, the premises, Silver street, lately known as "The Moon", suitable for a Sale Shop, Warehouse or Lodging House. Will be altered to suit an incoming tenant.

 

 

That's a relief No 16 is The Star. 

Now for the other side. 

[Ponytail]

The Moon, Silver Street. 

 

Forgive me I've just found out how to label something (I'm using my mobile) 

1850's map The Moon is eight properties down from Silver Head Street at the bottom side of the passage to Court 5. The 1890's map it is nine properties. Looks as though a property second one down from Silver Head Street has been split into 2 properties and become Nos 3 & 5. The property that was formerly The Moon appears to have been made into 2 premises at the back. 

 

1862 Directory, J. Hall jun. was vict at No. 13 The Moon. (underneath and no number assigned)

Noland John, beerhouse. 

 

Moon Inn, Silver Street. mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Saturday 03 June 1865 (to let)

 

January 1871 TO LET, the premises, Silver street, lately known as "The Moon", suitable for a Sale Shop, Warehouse or Lodging House. Will be altered to suit an incoming tenant.

In the 1890's the property that was formerly The Moon is No. 17. 

 

Edit:

From Sheffield History Listings

Moon

13 Silver Street

Open 1837 Closed Span

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Earlier

1837 Isaac Roberts (25 Silver Street)

1841 Isaac Roberts

1845 Henry Roberts

1849 Henry Roberts

1852 Henry Roberts

1854 Henry Roberts

1856 John Hall

1861 John Hall

1862 J Hall (Jun)

1863 John Hall [ jun ]

1864 John Hall

1865 H Hall

 

[Ponytail]

Silver Street showing Nos. 7; 9 unidentified named beerhouse; 11 & 13 to 17.

Probably taken in the 1890's

No. 17 in earlier years (1862 Directory) was formerly numbered 13 The Moon, licensed premises. 

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 Houses are numbered on this 1890's map. No. 9 appears to have been a beerhouse. 

It's possible it is these premises. 

July 1870 beerhouse licence in Silver Street transferred from Ann Simmons to Thos. Kelly.