Unidentified Public Houses and Refreshment Rooms

[Edmund]

The Reindeer Inn was on the corner of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft.

[Archaeo]

I misread the name, corrected. The street before Hawley Lane in the 1901 census was Silver Street Head so I was assuming they surveyed down from that end. So Hawley Croft must fall between nos. 3 & 5?

[Edmund]

[Archaeo]

In the 1891 census, Mary Horan is at no.3 with her three children and 10 lodgers! It’s easy to see why there might have been considered to be a problem with overcrowding in this area.

[Ponytail]

28 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

In the 1891 census, Mary Hosan is at no.3 with her three children and 10 lodgers! It’s easy to see why there might have been considered to be a problem with overcrowding in this area.

Probably sleeping head to toe, or they were on shift.... one in the bed at night replaced by the night worker during the day. 

[Ponytail]

4 hours ago, Archaeo said:

I think this may be a view along Hawley Lane, looking towards the junction with Silver Street Head. The very narrow width of the street, the step out in the building line at the corner, and the proximity and angle of the opposing properties on the street at the end all match. Another photo, u09582, appears to be standing at the end of the road looking along Silver Street Head where you see the corner of the building at the end of this photo.

This would place the photographer about here (on 1890 OS Town Plan):

 

Is there any chance of seeing a larger piece of the map sheet please? 

 

[Archaeo]

Here is a link to the full Sheet- https://maps.nls.uk/view/231282546

the area on question is the lower left quarter 

[Ponytail]

2 hours ago, Archaeo said:

Here is a link to the full Sheet- https://maps.nls.uk/view/231282546

the area on question is the lower left quarter 

Thank you. Adding more images of Hawley Lane, Hawley Croft etc. 

Hawley Lane May 1898u09591

2 images of: Derelict Property corner of Hawley Croft & Hawley Lane. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u01119&pos=49&action=zoom&id=36842

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u01131&pos=50&action=zoom&id=36854

 

Old Reindeer public house (sign on lamp left) and properties, Hawley Lane. Date Period 1851-1899

Copyright: Jill Dalton

Notes. 1893-4 Directory- No. 5 Hawley Lane, James Sharp, beerhouse 1898- No. 5 John Plant, beerhouse 1902 no beerhouse listed Hawley Lane not listed 1906. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;v00922&pos=33&action=zoom&id=42714

 

Yard behind Becketts, Hawley Lane, possibly corner of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft. September 1898. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u01083&pos=32&action=zoom&id=36810

 

Hawley Lane. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u09585&pos=35&action=zoom&id=56361

 

Campo Lane at junction with Hawley Croft, Reuben's Head public house on right. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s02170&pos=31&action=zoom&id=5963

 

Corner of Hawley Croft and Campo Lane, showing sign for Reubens Head. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u01097&pos=29&action=zoom&id=36822

 

[neddy]

On 10/11/2023 at 17:35, Edmund said:

 

Welcome Samuel Gillatt, son of George (scissor forger) and Caroline, was born on 27th August 1867. His main career was as a file cutter, but he may have started catching rats to be worried by dogs. By 1901 Welcome and his wife Ada were at 165 Woodside Lane with 5 children, one of whom was Welcome junior aged 4.

His first newspaper advert appears to be in the Mexborough & Swinton Times of 3rd December 1897:   WELCOME GILLAT. Ratcatcher, open for engagements. Dealer in Ferrets. Ferrets lent on hire, ratting or rabitting. :- 25 Court, 2 house, Woodside Lane, Sheffield.

In December 1901 as well as his ratcatching services, he advertised "Ship rats for sale" - an unusual Christmas present, or for worrying by dogs?

In February 1919 Welcome was appointed "Official Ratcatcher to the City". This was the first time such an officer had been needed, but was due to the plague of rats which had grown during the war, mainly due to the increase in land under cultivation. Then as the winter weather arrived, they migrated to built up areas. Welcome had been catching rats for forty years, catching them alive with ferrets and a wire cage. Applications for his services had to be made through the Cleansing Department Superintendent. In March he caught 1,050 rats in four weeks, beating all previous records. Yorkshire County Council were granting 2d per rat killed to Sheffield City Council.

In October 1919, Welcome had a great success in catching a wily old rat that frequented the Cathedral neighbourhood. This rat was fancied to be 'a grand old man' with a long grey beard and a splendid voice despite his years. Supposedly the rat danced on the Cathedral tombstones, and was a politician, addressing mass meetings of his tribe in Paradise Square each night. Welcome set out to 'bag him' and after a successful and exciting hunt declared "Yes, he's a beauty - he weighs just over a pound and will be one of the biggest we have in England". Welcome was so successful in his work that a bag of 40 rats a day was now considered a good one. In the "good old days" a bag of 375 in a day was possible.

In August 1922 Welcome caught an outstanding specimen weighing 1 lb 5 oz at Mr Simmerson's house, 100 Nottingham Street. Mr Gillatt had netted the entrance to several holes when the rat was discovered in a fowlhouse. It jumped one of the nets and as it was making its escape Welcome grabbed it and captured it alive. He took it to the Telegraph offices to show it off, whereupon it attempted to snap at its captor. Welcome intended to have it stuffed, as "the finest specimen I have ever captured". He estimated that over his career he had killed tens of thousands in Sheffield alone, plus those in outlying districts.

In 1927 he tamed and trained a fox, with the intention of using it to catch rats.

In 1939, still the Corporation rat-catcher, he was living with Ada at Firshill Terrace. Welcome died in 1940.

Welcome junior joined the Royal Navy in June 1915 as an armourer and was discharged in November 1921. He married Elsie McKay, also of Woodside Lane, in November 1919 and they had two girls, Edna and Joyce. Welcome junior died, a 33 year old bus conductor, at Lodge Moor Hospital in February 1930.

Welcome senior's son Ernest, a fireman, married Frances Brayshaw in September 1927 and they named their son (born early in 1931) as Welcome. Welcome died in Sheffield in Oct/Nov/Dec 1996, and his wife Lilian Anita in 2018. Presumably this chap was the licensee on the photo of the unidentified licensed premises.

This one lived on Pye Bank Road he did a bit of property repairing in the 1980's.

[Ponytail]

9 hours ago, Archaeo said:

I think this may be a view along Hawley Lane, looking towards the junction with Silver Street Head. The very narrow width of the street, the step out in the building line at the corner, and the proximity and angle of the opposing properties on the street at the end all match. Another photo, u09582, appears to be standing at the end of the road looking along Silver Street Head where you see the corner of the building at the end of this photo.

This would place the photographer about here (on 1890 OS Town Plan):

 

If it is Hawley Lane then the photographer must have been standing a little further back from where you're indicating.... On the corner of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft looking towards Silver Street Head. The only Street lights are on that corner and at the other end with the junction of School Croft. 

 

Had a go at improving the image looking the other way towards Rawsons Hotel, School Croft showing the light on the right. 

[Ponytail]

 Hawley Lane looking towards Silver Street Head probable solution to unidentified u01080. 

Wondered if this photograph below could also be pinpointed. Thought at first it was the rear of the "Unidentified" but the back to backs shown on the map make it unlikely. It's possible it is the diagonally opposite corner of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft. 

I'm open to suggestions. 

Yard behind Becketts, Hawley Lane, possibly corner of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft. September 1898. u01083

"Unidentified" property shaded in yellow. "Behind Becketts" marked with an orange line. 

 

I was wondering who "Becketts" was. 

Was it the name of a Beerhouse/ Public House or the owner/ occupier of another building? 

If anybody has access, it would be useful if the Brewster Sessions revealed the name (if it had a name) of the "Unidentified" or Directories recorded a Beckett. 

 

 

I think Archaeo especially and Edmund have done a great job of getting this far can we get further? 

 

[Archaeo]

I think u01083 is looking west in the yard to the north west of the junction of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft. The wall and building at the end of the yard are visible in v00922 (same worn bricks visible)- 

No idea about Beckett though. Plenty in the 1891 and 1901 census, but none spotted on Hawley Lane/Croft or Tenter Street. 

[Archaeo]

Mild diversion on the subject of Hawley Lane pubs- 

Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Thursday 05 November 1896

[Ponytail]

4 minutes ago, Archaeo said:

Mild diversion on the subject of Hawley Lane pubs- 

Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Thursday 05 November 1896

I love these sort of snippets. 

[tozzin]

9 hours ago, Archaeo said:

I think u01083 is looking west in the yard to the north west of the junction of Hawley Lane and Hawley Croft. The wall and building at the end of the yard are visible in v00922 (same worn bricks visible)- 

No idea about Beckett though. Plenty in the 1891 and 1901 census, but none spotted on Hawley Lane/Croft or Tenter Street. 

This photo conjures up my longing to walk the old streets of the town, to see for myself the hard working people, the down trodden women and the children with their dirty faces, to experience just for one day their hard lives, to see the old buildings, the cobbled streets, the pubs that we have lost. I'll take my rose coloured glasses off now.

[Archaeo]

Newspapers name a few beerhouses on Hawley Lane. (Omitting references to the Reindeer, as we know that is not our unidentified photo).

Patrick Whitton, beer seller, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Independent Friday 21 April 1876 (re. fines for short pints)

 

William Hannay, beer seller, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Independent Friday 21 April 1876 (re. fines for short pints)

 

Unnamed Beerhouse, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 29 January 1875 (to let, apply Spring Lane Brewery)

 

Cork and Bottle, Hawley Lane. Mentions in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 18 March 1881 (referenced in report of assault)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 14 November 1879 (reference in report of someone stealing soldiers’ shirts)

 

Eagle Tavern, 3 Hawley Lane, Silver Street Head. Mentions in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph 13 January 1877 (to let)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Thursday 26 February 1880 (use as committee room)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 30 December 1881 (advert for servant)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Saturday 22 October 1881 (reference in report of abuse of a girl and assault of Henry Bockling, landlord)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday October 17 1881 (reference in report of soldier being robbed);

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Wednesday 28 June 1882 (re. Henry Bockling, landlord, fined for knowingly having prostitutes on premises); 

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 14 August 1882 (re. advert for pianist)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph December 15 1883 (re. to let, apply Scotland Street Brewery)

[Edmund]

Part of a map from Wilf Banks 1988 book " A Pub on Every Corner" :

For info the rest of the maps are here:

 

[Ponytail]

Miller's Arms, Nos. 65-67 Carlisle Street. 

s01257

Last Licensee, William Beaumont, born 23rd December 1885

Recorded 1939

Also residing at No. 65-67 in 1939:

Wilfred Taylor, a Corporation Road Labourer; Grace E Taylor, Housekeeper, paid; Florence M Taylor (later Anderson) Drapery Office Clerk.

 

Nos. 69-75 Carlisle Street 

u00525

It appears when this record was taken in 1939 no occupants were recorded at Nos. 69; 71 & 73.

The next occupants recorded were at No. 75 Carlisle Street. 

Herbert Hiley, Blacksmiths Striker, heavy work; Mary Elizabeth Hiley, Unpaid Domestic dut(ies); Laura Hiley, Mirror Polisher, heavy work; Lucy Hiley (later Brown) Optical Lens Glazer; Herbert Hiley jnr., at School. 

For more information regarding the Millers Arm's situated at the junction of Carlisle Street and Hallcar Street see Edmunds earlier post. 

[Ponytail]

OS Map 1890's indicating the position and angle of the "Unidentified Photograph" u01080. We're hoping to identify the name for the beerhouse/public house.

My interpretation of the position is slightly further back, thus bringing into shot the street lamp on the corner of Hawley Croft and Hawley Lane marked on the map with a line and the letter L. 

Information from Directories and Census  Returns indicates it is No. 3 Hawley Lane. 

 

Drawn Map from Pub on Every Corner, by Will Bray from 1988. Please be aware the book was compiled before the digitalisation of Local Studies Picture Collection when many photographs were not catalogued or available for study nor were Census of the period available. 

It doesn't show the whole of Hawley Lane which extended from Silver Street Head, across Hawley Croft to School Croft with the Rawson Hotel (Arms), School Croft opposite. 

The full length of Hawley Lane is drawn in pale green and the Reindeer PH marked with a purple circle and Identified with the arrow. Information researched from Directories and photographs. 

 

OS Map of 1890's with the position of the "unidentified" beerhouse/ public house marked with a green circle.

The Reindeer P. H which research from Directories and photographs assumed to be No. 5 Hawley Lane is marked with a purple circle.

The property marked in orange is the position of "Back of Becketts" image u01083

Image of Reindeer P. H. 

Old Reindeer public house (sign on lamp left) and properties, Hawley Lane. Date Period 1851-1899

Copyright: Jill Dalton

Notes. 1893-4 Directory- No. 5 Hawley Lane, James Sharp, beerhouse. 1898- No. 5 John Plant, beerhouse. 1902 no beerhouse listed. Hawley Lane not listed 1906

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;v00922&pos=33&action=zoom&id=42714

 

From Edmund:

 

From Archaeo:

In the 1891 census, Mary Horan is at no.3 with her three children and 10 lodgers! It’s easy to see why there might have been considered to be a problem with overcrowding in this area.

 

1901 Census  (only heads named) 

1 Hawley Lane - Mary Horan, Provision dealer

Back of 1 Hawley Lane - John W Horan, mining engineer 

3 Hawley Lane - Joe Adamson, Sheffield Water Co labourer

5 Hawley Lane Old Reindeer - Frederick Booth, Inn Keeper

 

From newspaper articles found by Archaeo, these are possibilities for the name of No. 3 Hawley Lane. 

 

Newspapers name a few beerhouses on Hawley Lane. (Omitting references to the Reindeer, as we know that is not our unidentified photo).

Patrick Whitton, beer seller, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Independent Friday 21 April 1876 (re. fines for short pints)

 

William Hannay, beer seller, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Independent Friday 21 April 1876 (re. fines for short pints)

 

Unnamed Beerhouse, Hawley Lane. Mention in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 29 January 1875 (to let, apply Spring Lane Brewery)

 

Cork and Bottle, Hawley Lane. Mentions in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 18 March 1881 (referenced in report of assault)

 

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 14 November 1879 (reference in report of someone stealing soldiers’ shirts)

 

Eagle Tavern, 3 Hawley Lane, Silver Street Head. Mentions in:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph 13 January 1877 (to let)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Thursday 26 February 1880 (use as committee room)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Friday 30 December 1881 (advert for servant)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Saturday 22 October 1881 (reference in report of abuse of a girl and assault of Henry Bockling, landlord)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday October 17 1881 (reference in report of soldier being robbed);

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Wednesday 28 June 1882 (re. Henry Bockling, landlord, fined for knowingly having prostitutes on premises); 

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Monday 14 August 1882 (re. advert for pianist)

Sheffield Daily Telegraph December 15 1883 (re. to let, apply Scotland Street Brewery.

 

The information on this post is my understanding of the information we've worked so far. 

Please feel free to challenge the accuracy of the information or my understanding of it. 

 

[Lysanderix]

Looking at the photos I imagine most would have been closed down if our current hygiene regulations were in force….but, then again ,beer was safer to drink than water until we invested in municipal clean water!😙

[Edmund]

The 1881 Census in enumerator walk order:
Records Silver Street Head
57 Silver Street Head  John Jackson, Broker
59 Silver Street Head  uninhabited
1 Hawley Croft  William Humphries, Grocer & Professor of Music
3 Hawley Croft  Henry Blockley, Beer House Keeper (in June 1882 Henry Blockley of the Eagle Tavern, Hawley Croft, was prosecuted regarding prostitution.  At the same hearing Richard Frazer Horsley of the Reindeer beerhouse, Hawley Croft was similarly charged.  The police had stationed two observers where they could watch both premises.)
61 Silver Street Head  Charles Naseby. Licensed Victualler (in July 1879 Naseby was landlord of the Union Inn, Silver Street Head was find 5s for permitting drunkenness)
63 Silver Street Head  Israil Ginsberg, General Dealer
55 West Bar Green  Joseph Edward Dyson, Chemist
Records West Bar Green, Tenter Street
81 Tenter Street   Thomas Goodwin Carr, Fishmonger
13 Hawley Lane  Arthur Slater, Table Knife Cutler
11 Hawley Lane  John Cumbalidge, Cutler
9 Hawley Lane  Benjamin Taylor, Fish Hawker
7 Hawley Lane  unoccupied
7 Hawley Lane back of  Richard Powell, Boot Finisher
5 Hawley Lane  Richard Fraser Horsley, Publican (Reindeer see above)
52 School Croft  unoccupied
50 School Croft  unoccupied
48 School Croft  Emma Booth, Shopkeeper
Records School Croft, Campo Lane, Hawley Croft, Tenter Street, Townhead Street, Sims Croft, St James Street, ends

The 1891 Census in enumerator walk order:
Note on 1891 Census "the numbers have been altered in most of the district"
Records Hawley Croft
53 Hawley Croft  John McGrath, Miner Coal
55 Hawley Croft  Martin Kearns, Scavenger
1 Hawley Lane  William A Humphries, Grocer and Provisions Dealer
3 Hawley Lane  Mary Horan (24 occupants, probably a lodging house)
5 Hawley Lane  James Sharpe, Beer House Keeper
1 court 1 house Hawley Lane  Harry Armitage, Steel Forgeman
1 court 2 house Hawley Lane  Albert Oates, Spring Knife Cutler
7 Hawley Lane  Elizabeth Antcliffe, Charwoman
9 Hawley Lane Ellen Cunningham, Miners mother
11 house Hawley Lane  John Clegg, Cutler
13 Hawley Lane  Robert Raby, Cutler
61 Tenter Street  James Cartledge, Provision Dealer
Then records Tenter Street, School Croft, ends

The 1901 Census in enumerator walk order:
(presumably many residents and businesses have left ready for demolition, much property being acquired by the Corporation in 1897 in preparation for the Crofts Improvement Scheme)
59 Silver Street Head  Walter Axon, Beef Butcher
59 Silver Street Head  Moses Feinhols, Grocers Assistant
59 Silver Street Head  John Jackson, Furniture Dealer
1 Hawley Lane  Mary Horan, Provision Dealer
1 Hawley Lane  (back of) John Horan, Mining Engineer
3 Hawley Lane  Joe Adamson, Water Company Labourer
5 Hawley Lane  Frederick Booth, Old Rein Deer, Public House Keeper
2 house, 3 court Hawley Lane Fred Barlow, Bricklayers Labourer
5 house, ? court Hawley Lane  Henry E. Butler, Sculpter and Landscape Artist (oils)
9 Hawley Lane  Emma Swinden  House Cleaner (Char)
11 Hawley Lane John Hodgson, Hackle Setter
13 Hawley Lane  Mary Morris, Oranges Hawker
34 Hawley Croft  William Caudle, Painter and Glazier
36 & 38 Hawley Croft  James Farrell's Lodging House (17 occupants)
Then records Hawley Croft, Sims Croft and 1 final house on Church street

In March 1875 part of a lot of freehold property around Silver Street Head being auctioned was " one SALE SHOP and PUBLIC-HOUSE, called the 'Eagle Tavern', numbered 1 and 3 Hawley Lane"

[Ponytail]

Thank you Edmund, you really are a star. 

[Heartshome]

16 hours ago, Ponytail said:

Miller's Arms, Nos. 65-67 Carlisle Street. 

s01257

Last Licensee, William Beaumont, born 23rd December 1885

Recorded 1939

Also residing at No. 65-67 in 1939:

Wilfred Taylor, a Corporation Road Labourer; Grace E Taylor, Housekeeper, paid; Florence M Taylor (later Anderson) Drapery Office Clerk.

 

Nos. 69-75 Carlisle Street 

u00525

It appears when this record was taken in 1939 no occupants were recorded at Nos. 69; 71 & 73.

The next occupants recorded were at No. 75 Carlisle Street. 

Herbert Hiley, Blacksmiths Striker, heavy work; Mary Elizabeth Hiley, Unpaid Domestic dut(ies); Laura Hiley, Mirror Polisher, heavy work; Lucy Hiley (later Brown) Optical Lens Glazer; Herbert Hiley jnr., at School. 

For more information regarding the Millers Arm's situated at the junction of Carlisle Street and Hallcar Street see Edmunds earlier post. 

The MILLERS ARMS property, was sold to Sheffield Corporation in 1948.

[Ponytail]

On 10/11/2023 at 09:59, Ponytail said:

Unidentified Property including Licensed Premises possibly Smithfield.

Date period 1900-1919

u01074

Suggestion: Smithfield above Cross Smithfield at Shalesmoor. 

 

 

 

Think this is a possibility, Silver Street looking towards Queens Street. 

The photographer standing just above the shop which is immediately before the entrance to Court 1.

The Unidentified Beerhouse/Public House is between entrance to Court 1 and entrance to Court 3. 

There appears to be another entrance to a Court (Court 5) further down the street. 

https://maps.nls.uk/view/231282546#zoom=4&lat=4309&lon=5377&layers=BT

Note the position of the Street Lamp in a similar position on the image and the Map. 

Sorry my skills at displaying the map out of the link have deserted me. 

Of course a search of Directories and Census could possibly prove me wrong, but I'll throw the idea into the ring. 

[Archaeo]

That looks good to me Ponytail. The lamp position, gap before the end of the row, and chamfered corners to the building at the end of the row and opposing building - all match!