The Two Great (Outstanding) Pub Mysteries

[RichardB]

Two Pubs have eluded me, I'm appealing (Yes and the peasants are revolting) for any evidence on the following two places :

Leg of Mutton and Trimmings - kept (possibly) by Mr Waterfall - none found in any directory (thus far) 1810's-1820's

Spinks Nest, West Bar area - kept by Thomas Youdan - not found thus far - late 1850's/early 1860's.

[ukelele lady]

Two Pubs have eluded me, I'm appealing (Yes and the peasants are revolting) for any evidence on the following two places :

Leg of Mutton and Trimmings - kept (possibly) by Mr Waterfall - none found in any directory (thus far) 1810's-1820's

Spinks Nest, West Bar area - kept by Thomas Youdan - not found thus far - late 1850's/early 1860's.

I've searched for these but not found a sausage or a leg of mutton. :(

[RichardB]

I've searched for these but not found a sausage or a leg of mutton.

Well, that's one much respected, knowledgeable researcher into the historical Pubs of Sheffield has drawn a blank and me also

[syrup]

Two Pubs have eluded me, I'm appealing (Yes and the peasants are revolting) for any evidence on the following two places :

Leg of Mutton and Trimmings - kept (possibly) by Mr Waterfall - none found in any directory (thus far) 1810's-1820's

Spinks Nest, West Bar area - kept by Thomas Youdan - not found thus far - late 1850's/early 1860's.

Mr Waterfall who is known as Longfoot who kept the Public House in Smithfield called the LEG OF MUTTON AND TRIMMINGS.

http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=4094&st=0&p=40080&hl=+mr%20+waterfall&fromsearch=1&#entry40080

[ukelele lady]

Mr Waterfall who is known as Longfoot who kept the Public House in Smithfield called the LEG OF MUTTON AND TRIMMINGS.

http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=4094&st=0&p=40080&hl=+mr%20+waterfall&fromsearch=1&#entry40080

Thanks syrup I can't recall making that post but I'll have to go check the Shoulder and the Leg

again. ;-)

[RichardS]

Been missing from this site for far too long, but had a problematic year or so....sad to hear of the passing of Tsavo too

..anyhow..

Whites 1849 under beer houses is listed:

Youdan T. (casino) 66 Westbar

Not sure what the 'casino' is meant to denote, whether its a name or an actual casion (did the word exist in 1849?).

I've seen reference to the leg of mutton in passing somewhere, i'm trawling my books now to find it.

BTW any mention of a 'Maltsters arms' at Intake anywhere? somewhere in the region of 120+years ago. Its been said to me a property owned by family was once a pub called this, indeed the cellers have signs of ancient racking on the walls, the person who passed this info to me has died, but I do recall reading something from Eric Youle in years gone by mentioning it.

[RichardS]

1852 Whites:

West Bar

66Youdan T. casino

[RichardS]

Same directory:

Youdan Thos, Surrey Music Hall

66 Westbar

[RichardS]

Just rechecked 1849 alphabetical:

Youdan Thomas, Beerhouse, Royal Casino, 66 Westbar

[RichardS]

There is a connection here somewhere...from reminices of old Sheffield:

JOHNSON: There are many other names well known in Sheffield that might

be mentioned in connection with West bar, though this would bring us' to

times more recent than we profess to take cognizance of. There was Mr.

John Turton, the surgeon (see p. 42.); John Spink, the pawnbroker, who,

marrying the niece of the owner of the property, turned Benjamin Fox out

of the shop where the ruined Casino now stands ; Benjamin Smilter,

father of the present High Bailiff; Francis Cluley, the earliest

surgical instrument maker, who was next door to the " Old Tankard,"

removing thence to Surrey street.

[RichardS]

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/785707

Youdan was runing the Surrey Music Hall when it went up in smoke.

[RichardS]

Quite a famous fella in the scheme of things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youdan_Cup

[RichardS]

1829 directory gives Spink, John at 40 westbar as a clothier.

[RichardB]

Thanks syrup I can't recall making that post but I'll have to go check the Shoulder and the Leg

again.

What is lacking (to my mind) is any entry linking Waterfall and any Public house, just one little directory mentioning Public house, victualler, beerhouse, spirits - anything really.

[RichardS]

I found a reference to a waterfall as a wine retailer....or was that a spink....I'm confused now

Books....I need my books!!

[RichardB]

What is lacking (to my mind) is any entry linking Waterfall and any Public house, just one little directory mentioning Public house, victualler, beerhouse, spirits - anything really.

1818-20

Samuel Waterfall, Star, Gibraltar Street

[RichardB]

Two Pubs have eluded me, I'm appealing (Yes and the peasants are revolting) for any evidence on the following two places :

Leg of Mutton and Trimmings - kept (possibly) by Mr Waterfall - none found in any directory (thus far) 1810's-1820's

Spinks Nest, West Bar area - kept by Thomas Youdan - not found thus far - late 1850's/early 1860's.

Right, I'd found this over a year ago, told Dunsbyowl via PM then forgot it altogether ...

We need a persons name, an idea of an address, a known year and a name for the Pub - all preferably from a printed resource e.g. census; directory ...

so

John Whitehead, victualler (Leg of Mutton), Smithfield, 1821 Trade Directory of Sheffield.

[Terrie]

Right, I'd found this over a year ago, told Dunsbyowl via PM then forgot it altogether ...

We need a persons name, an idea of an address, a known year and a name for the Pub - all preferably from a printed resource e.g. census; directory ...

so

John Whitehead, victualler (Leg of Mutton), Smithfield, 1821 Trade Directory of Sheffield.

Found a snippet from Burgery of Sheffield Where a Sgt Waterfall was made Town beadle 1817 but only if he gave up public house p427 Later P431 John Waterfall made acting constable. unfortunately as they are only snippets I cannot access full text I am in Australia so full text not available to me locally. John Waterfall was my gg granfather.

[RichardB]

Found a snippet from Burgery of Sheffield Where a Sgt Waterfall was made Town beadle 1817 but only if he gave up public house p427 Later P431 John Waterfall made acting constable. unfortunately as they are only snippets I cannot access full text I am in Australia so full text not available to me locally. John Waterfall was my gg granfather.

If the snippets are available online, I'd appreciate a link please.

Sometimes different people, in different countries, can access different texts - Jeremy was very useful at getting inti "stuff" from the USA - whilst TonyR is probably one of our least active members - he is a USA resident and I have his home number and would be more than willing to help.

I'd love to find Waterfall as a publican - I'm beginning to suspect he was an owner rather than a publican ... in which case we're looking for a transfer document or suchlike ...

[SteveHB]

Found a snippet from Burgery of Sheffield Where a Sgt Waterfall was made Town beadle 1817 but only if he gave up public house p427 Later P431 John Waterfall made acting constable. unfortunately as they are only snippets I cannot access full text I am in Australia so full text not available to me locally. John Waterfall was my gg granfather.

Pages 427 - 432.

427 - 432.pdf

The records of the burgery of Sheffield, commonly called the town trust (1897)

Link .. Internet archive

[SteveHB]

Pages 427 - 432.

427 - 432.pdf

The records of the burgery of Sheffield, commonly called the town trust (1897)

Link .. Internet archive

How to download the full pdf.

Click on 'All Files: HTTP' in the L/H frame,

click on 'recordsburgerys00enggoog.pdf' to open and then save,

or 'Save Target As'.

File size, 11.4 Mb.