Pearson query

[Guest jackie2]

hi

looking for information re Pearson family who appeared to have at least 4 generations living in sheffield area- William Pearson spring knife cutler in 1851 census living in broomhall street. His son Thomas who was a general dealer in Carlton road in the 1881 c, his son frederick Vincent Pearson watchmaker( 1891 ) and Vincent Roy Thomas pearson who was born 1896 in Eccleshall Bierlow. Does anyone have any more information on these or any photos of the shops that would have been run by Thomas or frederick?

Any help most gratefully accepted. :rolleyes:

[Guest Jeremy]

hi

looking for information re Pearson family who appeared to have at least 4 generations living in sheffield area- William Pearson spring knife cutler in 1851 census living in broomhall street. His son Thomas who was a general dealer in Carlton road in the 1881 c, his son frederick Vincent Pearson watchmaker( 1891 ) and Vincent Roy Thomas pearson who was born 1896 in Eccleshall Bierlow. Does anyone have any more information on these or any photos of the shops that would have been run by Thomas or frederick?

Any help most gratefully accepted.

If you haven't looked at these sites already Sheffield Records Online and/or Sheffield Indexers might have some information for you. If you know the street addresses Picture Sheffield might have photos.

Sheffield Records Online lists 29 directory entries for various Thomas Pearsons and 11 entries for various Frederick Pearsons.

Jeremy

[HughW]

hi

looking for information re Pearson family who appeared to have at least 4 generations living in sheffield area- William Pearson spring knife cutler in 1851 census living in broomhall street. His son Thomas who was a general dealer in Carlton road in the 1881 c, his son frederick Vincent Pearson watchmaker( 1891 ) and Vincent Roy Thomas pearson who was born 1896 in Eccleshall Bierlow. Does anyone have any more information on these or any photos of the shops that would have been run by Thomas or frederick?

Any help most gratefully accepted.

hello Jackie

Have you seen the WW1 service record for Vincent Roy Thomas PEARSON at

Ancestry.co.uk? It lists his dob as 4 Dec 1897 (registered in MAR Qtr 1898).

It records that he spent time in a POW camp in Germany.

By the time he had enlisted in 1916 the family was living in Manchester.

This looks like his later marriage:

GRO Marriages JUN Qtr 1924

COLLINS Gladys (spouse: PEARSON) Chorlton 8c 1683

PEARSON Vincent R T (spouse: COLLINS) Chorlton 8c 1683

However, a catalogue entry at the National Archives suggests they divorced

in 1928.

In the 1901 census Ancestry indexes the family as 'PARSON' (piece 4352 folio

82 page 18: 176 Ecclesall Rd.). His mother is listed as Alma G Pearson...

...but then it gets complicated.

This looks like the marriage of his parents:

GRO Marriages MAR Qtr 1896

BIRKS Emma Sheffield 9c 567

GASKIN Amelia Hannah Sheffield 9c 567

JENNETT Arthur Sheffield 9c 567

PEARSON Frederick Vincent Sheffield 9c 567

RODGER Alma Gertrude Sheffield 9c 567

Normally there should be 4 names on a page. I have looked at the individual

entries for these 5 people and they are correct as far I can see - they all

say page 567.

But the oddest thing, and what is making my head hurt, is this, from the

previous year:

GRO Marriages JUN Qtr 1895

GASKIN Amelia Hannah Ecclesall B. 9c 566

PEARSON Frederick Vincent Ecclesall B. 9c 566

SUMMERFIELD William George Ecclesall B. 9c 566

WARD Rosa Ecclesall B. 9c 566

(FreeBMD also lists a Thomas BILTCLIFFE on this page, but a look at the

clearer image at Ancestry shows that he is listed on page 563)

William George SUMMERFIELD definitely married Rosa WARD - in 1901 they have

a child called Rosa Ward SUMMERFIELD.

So it seems that Frederick Vincent married Amelia Hannah. So why do they

appear again the next year, particularly as it appears that Frederick

married Alma Gertrude RODGER??

Alma's birthplace, listed in 1901, is London, and she was born c1873. I

cannot find her previous to the marriage. This must be Amelia Hannah's

birth:

GRO Births MAR Qtr 1873

GASKIN Amelia Hannah

Bethnal Green 1c 215

I can't find her in the census either.

Could they in fact be the same person?? (marrying Frederick Vincent Pearson

twice ???)

Hugh

[Guest jackie2]

Thanks for all that info Hugh.

I have recently obtained both marriage certificates for Frederick Vincent pearson and it looks like Amelia Hannah Gaskin and Alma gertrude Rodgers are the same person . The cerificate for 1895 at the registry office looks straightforward but the 1896( Parish Church) one is in the name of Alma but has a note explaining that she was registered as Amelia Hannah Gaskin and adopted by a Thomas Rodger. Looking in the census I can find Alma Gertrude Rodger in both 1881 and 1891 sheffield census - so why did she marry in her original adopted name? Is there anywhere I can find out why she got married twice to the same person and nearly a year apart?

Thanks for all the info on the military records for Vincent RT .I have been on to Ancestry but the only info I could get was a medal record but obviously I was not looking in the right place. That is definitely the right date of birth so will try to follow that up.

The news about Gladys Collins is a big shock as we had no idea about this. Is there any way I can find out if they had any children?

Going back a bit to William b 1822/23 it appears he was originally a spring knife cutler but then in a later census he is a turkish bath proprietor- I think this may be the city baths as there is a William pearson who is one of the Trustees. Do you know anything about this?

Thanks again for all the info-much appreciated!!

jackie

hello Jackie

Have you seen the WW1 service record for Vincent Roy Thomas PEARSON at

Ancestry.co.uk? It lists his dob as 4 Dec 1897 (registered in MAR Qtr 1898).

It records that he spent time in a POW camp in Germany.

By the time he had enlisted in 1916 the family was living in Manchester.

This looks like his later marriage:

GRO Marriages JUN Qtr 1924

COLLINS Gladys (spouse: PEARSON) Chorlton 8c 1683

PEARSON Vincent R T (spouse: COLLINS) Chorlton 8c 1683

However, a catalogue entry at the National Archives suggests they divorced

in 1928.

In the 1901 census Ancestry indexes the family as 'PARSON' (piece 4352 folio

82 page 18: 176 Ecclesall Rd.). His mother is listed as Alma G Pearson...

...but then it gets complicated.

This looks like the marriage of his parents:

GRO Marriages MAR Qtr 1896

BIRKS Emma Sheffield 9c 567

GASKIN Amelia Hannah Sheffield 9c 567

JENNETT Arthur Sheffield 9c 567

PEARSON Frederick Vincent Sheffield 9c 567

RODGER Alma Gertrude Sheffield 9c 567

Normally there should be 4 names on a page. I have looked at the individual

entries for these 5 people and they are correct as far I can see - they all

say page 567.

But the oddest thing, and what is making my head hurt, is this, from the

previous year:

GRO Marriages JUN Qtr 1895

GASKIN Amelia Hannah Ecclesall B. 9c 566

PEARSON Frederick Vincent Ecclesall B. 9c 566

SUMMERFIELD William George Ecclesall B. 9c 566

WARD Rosa Ecclesall B. 9c 566

(FreeBMD also lists a Thomas BILTCLIFFE on this page, but a look at the

clearer image at Ancestry shows that he is listed on page 563)

William George SUMMERFIELD definitely married Rosa WARD - in 1901 they have

a child called Rosa Ward SUMMERFIELD.

So it seems that Frederick Vincent married Amelia Hannah. So why do they

appear again the next year, particularly as it appears that Frederick

married Alma Gertrude RODGER??

Alma's birthplace, listed in 1901, is London, and she was born c1873. I

cannot find her previous to the marriage. This must be Amelia Hannah's

birth:

GRO Births MAR Qtr 1873

GASKIN Amelia Hannah

Bethnal Green 1c 215

I can't find her in the census either.

Could they in fact be the same person?? (marrying Frederick Vincent Pearson

twice ???)

Hugh

[Syl]

Is it possible that she got married in her adoptive parents name not knowing that she was adopted?Then on finding her birth certificate or being informed she got married again to make sure that it was legal? I know that my Mother was not told that she was adopted until she came to get married and had never seen her birth certificate until then.

[Guest jackie2]

Thanks syl

Its a good theory.

The only problem is, it was the other way around. She got married first in 1895 in registry office as Amelia Hannah Gaskin( her birth name), despite being referred to in the census since age 8 as Alma G Rodger( her adopted name). The second marriage in 1896 is to Alma Gertrude Rodger and still calling herself spinster on the marriage certificate. The registrar has entered a note explaining about the adoption etc. I can only imagine that she had to produce some sort of identification for the first wedding and only had her birth certificate , and then had to do it all over again as she was now legally known by another name and the original marriage was not considered legal. If you can think of any other explanation please let me know as I am intrigued to find out what happened here.!!!!

Is it possible that she got married in her adoptive parents name not knowing that she was adopted?Then on finding her birth certificate or being informed she got married again to make sure that it was legal? I know that my Mother was not told that she was adopted until she came to get married and had never seen her birth certificate until then.

[Syl]

Yes I bet that's what happened probably she wasn't legally adopted my Mum wasn't so no proof paper wise. My husband changed his name to his step fathers when he was 5 but not legally and used the name all his life but when we got married the vicar advised us to have both names on the wedding certificate. He was glad of this advice when he came to get a passport as it was the only thing that tied him in with his birth certificate.