RichardB Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm aware of a handful of Sword manufacturers and one bayonet manufacturer, I hope you lot can provide more. I find it surprising there were so few such manufacturers given that both have a cutting edge, surely the remit of the Cutlers of Hallamshire. Was the trade based elsewhere e.g. Birmingham ? Any information gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm aware of a handful of Sword manufacturers and one bayonet manufacturer, I hope you lot can provide more. I find it surprising there were so few such manufacturers given that both have a cutting edge, surely the remit of the Cutlers of Hallamshire. Was the trade based elsewhere e.g. Birmingham ? Any information gratefully received. Did you see Dean's ballard there is also a post I found which cited Sandersons as manufacturing them and supplied the government. http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...?showtopic=5959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Markings on British bayonets Marking Meaning or Government acceptance mark Sale or sold out of service mark '89 Manufacture date (1889) 11 17 Manufacture date (November 1917) CHAPMAN J. Chapman; maker EFD, D, or ENFIELD Royal Arms Factory, Enfield; maker or repairer (D - post 1925) J A C J. Chapman; maker MOLE R. Mole; maker RE Remington; maker SANDERSON Sanderson Bros. & Neubold; maker S & N Sanderson & Neubold; maker W Winchester; maker WILKINSON Wilkinson Sword Company; maker W.S.C. Wilkinson Sword Company; maker Hopkinson; maker Royal Ordnance Factory, Poole B. & J. S. Ltd B. & J. Sippel Ltd. Vickers, Crayford; maker F.F. & S. Ltd F. Fisher & Sons, Ltd. F 191 France-British Electrical H.G. Barrow, Hepburn & Gale Ltd. J.W.(S) Ld J. Wilson Ltd. S. M. Hopkinson contract (L1A4 bayonet) S.M.C. or S.M. Singer Manufacturing Co.; maker Scottish Motor Traction Co. Cinque Port Artillery V.N.S. Viners Ltd. M 1 Accles & Pollack M 44 J.B. Brooks & Co. Ltd. M 47 A Birmingham Small Arms (B.S.A.), Small Heath; maker M 53 Camelinat Ltd. M 58 Jabez, Cliff & Co. Ltd. M 78 Elkington; maker M 121 W.J. Hill Ltd. M 158 J. Lucas Ltd. M 166 M.C.L. & Repetition Co. Ltd. M 198 Morris Springs N 26 F. Fisher & Sons, Ltd. N 30 Howard & Bullough; maker N 56 Prince-Smith & Stells; maker N 64 Sheffield Steel Products N 67 Singer Manufacturing Co.; maker N 69 London Sand Blast & Decorative Glass Works N 76 Temporal Spring Co. Ltd. N 79 Viners, Ltd.; maker N 96 Baird Engineering; maker N 152 B. & J. Sippel Ltd. N 165 Restwell Spring Co. N 187 Radcliffe; maker S 7 Auto Engineering S 9 Barrow, Hepburn & Gale Ltd. S 41 Grundy, Ltd.; maker S 67 London Sand Blast S 68 Lines Bros. Ltd. S 128 Wembley Tool Co. S 158 Bramlands Engineering S 169 Chiswell Wire Co. S 191 France-British Electrical S 195 H.E. Gibbs S 200 Gramophone Co. S 201 Grant & West Ltd. S 229 McLoughlin Machinery Ltd. S 268 Shalston Engineering S 286 Vanden Plas (Eng) 1923 Ltd. S 294 Wilkinson Sword Company; maker S 356 N.J. Edmunds Ltd. S 361 S.E. Norris & Co. S 376 Lewisham Engineering; maker S 377 Joe Thompson E-M Enfield-Martini R.A.M.C. Medical Corps U.M.P. Ulster Mounted Police ONTEX Retailer's name (commercial bayonet) Board of Ordnance acceptance mark War Department acceptance mark (discontinued in 1895, although it's been reported on examples dated 1897 as well) Enfield Royal Small Arms Factory (R.S.A.F.) inspection mark Birmingham R.S.A.F. inspection mark B.S.A. inspection mark Wilkinson inspection mark Birmingham R.S.A.F. repair mark Solingen mark, British inspector Liege (Belgium) mark, British inspector French mark, British inspector Cancellation mark * Corrosion or rust mark N Naval service L Land (Army) service D.P. Drill purpose Downgraded, usually to drill purpose Bending mark, proof of blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If you're really interested this pops up on ebay on CD from time to time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YATESACE Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Hi I've got a first world 1 bayonet made by Sanderson's of Sheffield grimesthorpe I was told it was made by my grandfather and used by him and I also have the leather scabbard to go with it with I believe are very rare due to them being made of leather and perishable also I was told they made swords on Hollis croft it was called Ellis john Hewitt bought Ellis and it became footprint tools remains of swords was buried under the concrete floors I was told this by a hand grinder called harry armitage who worked there for over fifty years hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old rider Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 A couple of minor details in the above posts. Sanderson Bros & Neubould was Sanderson Bros & Newbould, Newhall Road when I started work there. Later it became Sanderson Keyser after buying out Keyser Ellison. I don't know about swords and bayonets but in the 1960's they made bullet proof plate then machined it into the shapes specified by Daimler F. V. (fighting vehicles). When the M.D. was Master Cutler there was a display of armoured scout cars and tracked personnel carriers for the Master Cutlers Visit. When the army came to take them back the soldiers were giving office girls rides around the yard! Footprint tools work on Hollis Croft. The company was Thomas Ellin if I remember correctly on my pipe grips. Not Ellis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysander Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Thomas R Ellin to be precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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