Guest Skipindave Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hello Listers, my first post to this site, only found it last night, and got some valued info from my visit. My question today is about Ecclesall debtors prison, on the 1841 census I found my ggggrandfather, George Stokes in there I assume for not paying his slate. I have tried the archives to find records kept by this place, to no avail, tried Leeds, on their suggestion, but no trace. I am assuming that this is not the Scotland Road prison. Any info or help about this place would be appreciated Dave in Inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hello Listers,my first post to this site,only found it last night,and got some valued info from my visit.My question today is about Ecclesall debtors prison,on the 1841 census i found my ggggrandfather,George Stokes in there I assume for not paying his slate. I have tried the archives to find records kept by this place,to no avail,tried Leeds,on their suggestion,but no trace. I am assuming that this is not the Scotland Road prison. Any info or help about this place would be appreciated Dave in Inskip Hi Dave, welcome aboard! I believe the Ecclesall Debtors Prison was around where Tudor Square now stands, not the Scotland Street one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skipindave Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi Dave, welcome aboard! I believe the Ecclesall Debtors Prison was around where Tudor Square now stands, not the Scotland Street one. Hello Bayleaf and thanks for your reply,I have seen it on an old map of Sheff,which I can't find at the moment,but appeared to be alongside a workhouse. I will get on to multimap and see where Tudor Square is. Thanks for now Dave in Inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 That'll be George Stokes, Spectacle maker, not born in the County. Listed as 35, but age probably rounded (as they did in 1841 Census); everyone is 25, 30, 35, 40 etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 1851 George Stokes (born in Birmingham) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 1861 George Stokes (now listed as Sheffield born, lazt enumerator) Court 13 Pond Street, Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 1871 George Stokes, still Sheffield born, Court 12, Pond Street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Death ? Name: George Stokes Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 75 District: Sheffield County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 287 Worth a look ... Not much of an answer to your original question though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skipindave Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 1861 George Stokes (now listed as Sheffield born, lazt enumerator) Court 13 Pond Street, Park Hello Richard,yes thats the man,he is my brickwall,I reckon he was born in Birmingham,his son William born in Birmingham,he took off for Sheffield leaving wife and son in Birmingham,William followed some time after. Of all the Stokes's in Birmingham,of which there are loads,its the optician/spectacle maker,which ties them together. I was explaining to Bayleaf that I have seen a map somewhere,which I am sure puts the prison nearer to Little Sheffied,but I am struggling to find it at the moment. Anyway,thanks for your info,our paths have crossed on the Sheffield Indexers chatroom in the past. Bye for now Dave in Inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skipindave Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Death ? Name: George Stokes Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 75 District: Sheffield County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 287 Worth a look ... Not much of an answer to your original question though ! Correction Richard, that was Sheffield Records Online chatroom. NOT Sheffield indexers. Got to get that one right Dave in Inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Eeek forgot, Welcome to the site, Good Luck, keep us posted etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skipindave Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 For Bayleaf and Richard B In looking for the old map I found a better one,Ecclesall Prison for Debtors,was contained in the square formed by Moor Street,Young Street and Bishop Street,on Multimap the area is now covered by a warehouse. Thanks to you both for your help. Richard,while I was exploring the site yesterday I found a list of Sheffield Pubs which included the Barrel Inn,Pond Street,with a list of Licencee's. 1893 William Stokes my g grandfather. 1901 Ann Stokes my g grandmother 1905 to 1925 John Whitehouse was married to Ann's daughter,my g aunt. I have about me 6 Sheets of a4 which contain the inventory and valuation of the Barrel Inn when transferred to John Whitehouse. I thought that these may be of interest and would like to put them on the site,but dont know how,can you help please. Dave in inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 For Bayleaf and Richard B In looking for the old map I found a better one,Ecclesall Prison for Debtors,was contained in the square formed by Moor Street,Young Street and Bishop Street,on Multimap the area is now covered by a warehouse. Thanks to you both for your help. Richard,while I was exploring the site yesterday I found a list of Sheffield Pubs which included the Barrel Inn,Pond Street,with a list of Licencee's. 1893 William Stokes my g grandfather. 1901 Ann Stokes my g grandmother 1905 to 1925 John Whitehouse was married to Ann's daughter,my g aunt. I have about me 6 Sheets of a4 which contain the inventory and valuation of the Barrel Inn when transferred to John Whitehouse. I thought that these may be of interest and would like to put them on the site,but dont know how,can you help please. Dave in inskip Email the buggers to me !!!! Richard.Brant@amec.com Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Or, post photocopies to : Richard A. Brant Amec Hanzard Drive Wynyard Business Park Stockton on Tess TS22 5FD Carrier pigeon also accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 For Bayleaf and Richard B In looking for the old map I found a better one,Ecclesall Prison for Debtors,was contained in the square formed by Moor Street,Young Street and Bishop Street,on Multimap the area is now covered by a warehouse. Hi dave. Would that be the 1823 map? I just found it too! Forgetmy earlier post, though I'm sure I've seen something about the other location recently. If I turn it up I'll let you know Bayleaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skipindave Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hi dave. Would that be the 1823 map? I just found it too! Forgetmy earlier post, though I'm sure I've seen something about the other location recently. If I turn it up I'll let you know Bayleaf Hello Bayleaf,yes it was the 1823 print,with on the l/h side the prominent places listed 46 being the Ecclesall debtors prison. Dave in Inskip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hello Bayleaf,yes it was the 1823 print,with on the l/h side the prominent places listed 46 being the Ecclesall debtors prison. Dave in Inskip Hi Dave Just found where I saw the reference I mentioned. Total misreading on my part, read it again and it agrees with your map. Apologies! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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