southside Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 There's a couple of what look like houses or maybe workshops in this aerial photograph from 1928 showing the area behind the Unitarian Chapel on Norfolk Street, Would anyone have any idea what address might have been used for these two properties? Thanks Southside https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW021135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 In the late 1880's their address would have been "north side of Pepper Alley". Pepper Alley ran all the way from Fargate to Norfolk Street and was the only way to access the Upper Chapel. Following building on Fargate the west end of Pepper Alley was built over. Looking at the 1930's 1950's maps, the premises seem to have been incorporated in the the ends of 8, 10 and 12 Norfolk Row (offices). In 1911 the only occupants of 10 Norfolk Row was Bernard Haslam and his wife, he was a table knife cutler with access to 3 rooms. At 12 Norfolk Row lived Joseph Williamson and Cecilia his wife, he was a railway drayman with access to 2 rooms. These two household may or may not have lived in the far ends of 10 and 12, or could have been above the main office buildings. The 1896 Insurance maps give details of the buildings and their uses but unfortunately now at such a poor resolution nothing can be read ( I have asked the British Library if higher resolution copies are available). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t12301&pos=35&action=zoom&id=142893 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t12302&pos=178&action=zoom&id=142894 2 hours ago, Ponytail said: Nearest I can find to the buildings in question. Perhaps the gap to the grounds of Upper Chapel is all that remains of Pepper Alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t12303&pos=179&action=zoom&id=142956 46 minutes ago, Ponytail said: Nearest I can find to buildings in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Ponytail said: Sheffield Photo Company quoted in the text of photographs was founded by Frank Mottershaw. In the 1901 & 1911 Census, he and his family are recorded at 95 Norfolk Street. 1924 moving the retail business to 6 Norfolk Row. For further information about Frank Mottershaw see the research done by Totley History Group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.com/Ref_Not12303 Image enlarged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.comRef_No_t12301 Image enlarged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No;t12302 Image enlarged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Thank you, SteveHB, much clearer. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Arevalo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I was looking at the 1935 map and thinking what the hell is 'Bunk' - then I looked at the earlier map and realised it was 'Bank' and the 'a' hadn't printed fully. 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 Thanks for your input guy's! I came across this virtual tour of the Chapel and surrounding area on the Upper Chapel website. https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=LV2RcDRa65U&back=1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 10 hours ago, southside said: Thanks for your input guy's! I came across this virtual tour of the Chapel and surrounding area on the Upper Chapel website. https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=LV2RcDRa65U&back=1 Thank you for the nostalgia trip, 12 years spent "dinner time fresh air" eating my sandwiches in the Upper Chapel courtyard whatever the weather. Notice the seats have been repositioned, "my seat" used to face the Chapel with back to the road. Days of pouring rain sheltered under the portico sitting on a plastic bag. Always took the opportunity to go inside on open days but never able to venture out the back. Notice the rear of No. 6 Norfolk Row in the old photos has been incorporated into the new build behind the Carmel House facade. On occasion, just for a nosey, used to accompany the researchers (who pestered on Fargate and Surrey Street to answer one of the many surveys) upstairs into Channing Hall and receive the free sample on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 The British Library have replied - the Insurance maps are here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=goad+sheffield&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image and it's possible to download very high resolution maps. An extract from Sheet 5 covering the Upper Chapel area is below, but not especially helpful regarding the original question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Much clearer Edmund, but unfortunately it's obviously an earlier version of the Goad map you posted originally. Might be worth visiting or contacting Local Studies to see if someone can look at their original copy and see what if anything is written on the building in question. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Ponytail said: Much clearer Edmund, but unfortunately it's obviously an earlier version of the Goad map you posted originally. Might be worth visiting or contacting Local Studies to see if someone can look at their original copy and see what if anything is written on the building in question. Fingers crossed. Apologies, the plans are all jumbled up, need better checking to get the right year. More info on this version: From 1893 Kellys: John William Northend, printer at No 8 Norfolk Row (until 1916). Premises were burgled in November 1908, "A lane runs at the back of the works dividing them from Upper Chapel yard, and from this lane the thieves gained access by breaking a window". The 1911 Whites calls this address "Sherbrooke Chambers", also occupied by Mark Jenkinson, estate agent. In 1923 Taylor & Emmet solicitors advertised a "WAREHOUSE, situate back of Sherbrooke Chambers, Norfolk row: ground floor, second floor, and third floor" From 1893 Kellys: Leadbeater Brothers, whitesmiths in Court 1, 6B Norfolk Row. Charles Leadbeater's whitesmith premises there were broken into in 1858. Leadbeater's were still there in 1901 (White's Directory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Fascinating information. Hadn't realised how long Mark Jenkinson had been there. Seems Pepper Alley is demoted to "a lane" Can't remember what the yellow shading on a property meant. Would be interested to know who was the business "photo" at No. 6. and of course the "Gas Eng" at No. 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 James Sunderland, photographer, 1 Court, Norfolk Row. 1881 Kelly's directory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 White's directory 1901. Norfolk Row, South side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Thank you SteveHB, answering my question about No. 6 and 8 Norfolk Row you also revealed an office of Badger, Rhodes & Co I wasn't aware of. They originated in Rotherham from his grandfather, Thomas Badger who had offices in Bank Street and in High Street Rotherham, he was also the coroner for a number of years. Thomas Wright Badger and his partner, brother in law Frederick Parker Rhodes came to a sticky end. Thomas absconded August 1882 owing a substantial amount of money, deserting his new wife and baby leaving his brother in law and the Badger family to sort out a sorry mess. No doubt the premises on Norfolk Row would have been quickly closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 A well travelled photographer Liquidation Published: April 25 1883. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Goad maps..Shading of buildings Pink... brick stone or concrete Yellow... Wooden buildings Blue... Skylight 1-2 storey buildings Purple... Skylights on higher buildings Grey... Metal buildings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 22/10/2022 at 23:11, southside said: Thanks for your input guy's! I came across this virtual tour of the Chapel and surrounding area on the Upper Chapel website https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=LV2RcDRa65U&back=1 Dated after 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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