RichardB Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Big open area, top centre, Kelmsley House on there, North side of Cathedral graveyard wider that it is now, gateposts visible at South end of East Parade. What else can anybody tell me please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dig6 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Perhaps a bit daft but the Star building (kelmsley house) looks very new compared to all the other buildings in the picture and it is placed centrally in the picture so my guess would be 1916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 Nice to see someone having a go. Bear with me, I may have some further detail to add. Perhaps a bit daft but the Star building (kelmsley house) looks very new compared to all the other buildings in the picture and it is placed centrally in the picture so my guess would be 1916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 Alderman W. F. Wardley was Lord Mayor at the time (if that helps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Elected 1920 - William Farewell Wardley - died 1941! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 1912? Edit that post by Dunsby knocks my guess out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Wikiwotsits says 1913, was Mr. Wardley Lord Mayor twice ? No Wikiwotsits he say no ! HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 You have previously supplied the answer to this one Dunsby - to the exact date ! (That should cause your brains to boil a little ...) Elected 1920 - William Farewell Wardley - died 1941! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dig6 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I was going to say 1920 Without your clue I was going to try and find out the date that the ELR saleroom was built - it must have been not long before then - its in the picture I note that Mayor WF Wardley had the second name of Farewell - unusual Just in case you had not seen it this document is interesting: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/.../Mayors-etc--PDF--248-KB-.pdf (and was the source of my solution) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's actually 1921, but I'm still hopeful Dunsby can pin it down to a month, and even a date (given the above and possibly the mention of Massey the New Zealand PM elsewhere on this site - couldn't make it any easier for him, could I). ELR opening date might be interesting to pin down. (Eadon, Lockwood and Riddle - is that correct ?) I was going to say 1920 Without your clue I was going to try and find out the date that the ELR saleroom was built - it must have been not long before then - its in the picture I note that Mayor WF Wardley had the second name of Farewell - unusual Just in case you had not seen it this document is interesting: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/.../Mayors-etc--PDF--248-KB-.pdf (and was the source of my solution) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Wikiwotsits says 1913, was Mr. Wardley Lord Mayor twice ? No Wikiwotsits he say no ! HD Sorry, got hold of the wrong end of the stick, (nothing new there). I thought the post was refering to the building date of Kelmsley House, not the date of the photo. Kelmsley House was built in two phases between 1913 and 1915 with the second part built over the demolished original building. In a similar way the old Pawson & Brailsford building was built as separate vertical halves just above, over the other side of York Street. This is now Lloyds Bank (or was the last time I looked). HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 It is the date of the photo we are after. I started my description with the big, open area at the top centre; then, because it stands out Kelmsley House came to the forefront of the discussion. Sorry, got hold of the wrong end of the stick, (nothing new there). I thought the post was refering to the building date of Kelmsley House, not the date of the photo. Kelmsley House was built in two phases between 1913 and 1915 with the second part built over the demolished original building. In a similar way the old Pawson & Brailsford building was built as separate vertical halves just above, over the other side of York Street. This is now Lloyds Bank (or was the last time I looked). HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 You have previously supplied the answer to this one Dunsby - to the exact date ! (That should cause your brains to boil a little ...) I knew it!! I knew I had seen that very same photo before with exactly the same question attached to it I didn't realise that we had an answer to the question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 Dunsby supplied the answer to this question without knowing it. He answered a completely different question, or rather made a series of statements, one of which answers our current question. New Zealand Prime Minister made a Freeman of the City at the same time this picture was taken. I knew it!! I knew I had seen that very same photo before with exactly the same question attached to it I didn't realise that we had an answer to the question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Here is a photo of him! Good name for a tractor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Ferguson_Massey_1919.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hen's teeth! The Rt Hon W F Massey, LLD (Prime Minister of New Zealand) (d1925)..... 10th August 1921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 Good job; which makes the newspaper photograph 11th August 1921 since it says on the back "yesterday, blah, blah Massey, blah, Freeman, blah Lord Mayor, blah" but with more detail and less blah ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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