saw119 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 For the life of me I cannot find my family in the 1911 census and they should be there. They are Thomas Woollen (head, b. 1869), Agnes Woollen (wife, b. 1871), George F (son, b. 1890), Bernard Woollen son, b. 1892), Francis (son, b. 1894), Agnes (dau, b. 1896). If anyone can help it would really be useful. I've searched Sheffield and the country using the online searches but no luck. George F, my great Grandfather, is married in Sheffield in 1913 to a Sheffield lass so he must be there surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 There's a tree on Ancestry for the Woollens. Is this yours? However even if it isn't there is no mention of the 1911 C on it. Your say George Woollen, born 1869 but I think this should be Charles Woollen according to the other census entries with Agnes, George F, Bernard and Francis. I did numerous searches for Woollen 1869 and an address search 1911, based on the address in 1901 but couldn't find them or an indication that they might have emigrated for a short term. Will keep it in mind. Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 If at first you don't succeed................. I've got him I tried a search for Charles on Ancestry, born 1869 in Sheffield and here he is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saw119 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 I really appreciate that and yes I did make a mistake copying th e If at first you don't succeed................. I've got him I tried a search for Charles on Ancestry, born 1869 in Sheffield and here he is: Yes I did make a mistake with Charles. However, your attatchment did not attach, please try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Well, I'm having trouble here but the reason you cannot find him is that he signs his name on the 1911 census as Charles Woollen Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saw119 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Wow, got it now thanks to you and that is just brilliant. What was he doing? One piece of information I can add is that the Woollens had three servants in the 1871 census all called Gill but as to why he would sign himself Gill in 1911 is an outrageous mystery. Oh well, it's something to work on I suppose. I really cannot thank you enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 It takes a Gill to find a Gill Very strange indeed!! Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saw119 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 I really don't know what to say about that!!! Baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 1901 Census Note to self - read the first post, then scroll down instead of spending an hour searching for the wrong person ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 1891 Census 1901 Census Note to self - read the first post, then scroll down instead of spending an hour searching for the wrong person ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 1881 Census - Finney ?? 1891 Census Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 1871 Charles Woollen and some Gills 1881 Census - Finney ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughW Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 pound to a penny Martha GILL is Charles' mother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughW Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 ...and Martha FINNEY is Martha GILL: GRO Marriages DEC Qtr 1874 Finney John Sheffield 9c 775 Gill Martha Sheffield 9c 775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Birth .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Marriage ... Agnes Gibbs(or Kate Walker), but Agnes really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Death ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Agnes Gibbs Birth ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Agnes Woollen Death .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saw119 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Ok, well I think I need a bit of time to untangle this. Charles father seems to have been having it away with the servant girl. His wife, Emily Woollen (nee Fitter), is mostly absent from his census returns as well. Jospeh died in 1873 aged 42 according to my research and the kids went with Martha Finney (nee Gill). However, I'm still not sure what happened to Joseph's wife, Emily. Update: I think Emily died in 1884 aged 52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Wow! Whilst I've been out exercising the dogs in this very uncharitable weather of about 14° below zero and looking for the cat who I hadn't seen all day and didn't want to leave outside despite his thick coat, you've all been digging up Charles' relations. Reminds me of the Harry Belafonte song "your Daddy ain't your Daddy but your Daddy don't know!!! I had thought that Martha Gill was involved somehow and was going to ask you if you had a birth certificate for Charles. I'm turning in for an early night - see you tomorrow Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughW Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Finally found her in 1871, as 'Emma WOOLLLN', as indexed by Ancestry, and that is what it looks like. The address in Silver Street gives added significance to the following from 5 years earlier (unfortunately difficult to read because of the spine of the volume): Sheffield and Rotherham Independent Thursday 17 March 1864 At the York Assizes later in March Emily WOOLLEN of Sheffield pleaded guilty to concealment of child-birth and was sentenced to one month's imprisonment (no other details given) Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughW Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 from the day before the committal above: Magistrates Court (Town Hall) While reading about these personal, but nevertheless harrowing tragedies, I can't help thinking of the catastrophic event that had struck the town only a few days before, and left so many grieving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saw119 Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 I've woken up this morning to some quite sombre reading matter. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Great finds Hugh. History is boring, huh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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