Edmund Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hello, I'm hoping that someone has access to an out of print book about Longley and Southey called "It was all country then" by Sylvia Anginotti the councillor (published 1986)? It appears that there are two pages of information about Crowder House which I'd be interested in. Some of the photos from the book have recently appeared on the council Picture Sheffield.com website. They are photos of the landing and dining room and show that Crowder Hall was a cruck building - which would suggest that it was based on the original building handed over in Julyann Wilkinson's will of 1402. ( And reinforces my view that it was a travesty to knock it down in 1935 to build a row of semi's...) Reason for my interest is that my ancestors were Crowder House Wilkinsons, I've got a definite line back to about 1600 and I'm trying for further back, so am collecting all pieces of info that I can. The family lost the house when a Cattle Dealer who was renting it went bankrupt and the house had to be mortgaged, but on the death of William Wilkinson in 1854 it was re-possessed and auctioned, Bernard Wake being the new owner. Here's hoping! Ted Wilkinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I have seen that book, don't know where to lay my hands on it right now (loft emptied, "stuff" everywhere. Miss Jane Wake, Crowder House, Barnsley Road 1905-1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 William Wilkinson, Gentleman, Crowder House, 1837. Hello, I'm hoping that someone has access to an out of print book about Longley and Southey called "It was all country then" by Sylvia Anginotti the councillor (published 1986)? It appears that there are two pages of information about Crowder House which I'd be interested in. Some of the photos from the book have recently appeared on the council Picture Sheffield.com website. They are photos of the landing and dining room and show that Crowder Hall was a cruck building - which would suggest that it was based on the original building handed over in Julyann Wilkinson's will of 1402. ( And reinforces my view that it was a travesty to knock it down in 1935 to build a row of semi's...) Reason for my interest is that my ancestors were Crowder House Wilkinsons, I've got a definite line back to about 1600 and I'm trying for further back, so am collecting all pieces of info that I can. The family lost the house when a Cattle Dealer who was renting it went bankrupt and the house had to be mortgaged, but on the death of William Wilkinson in 1854 it was re-possessed and auctioned, Bernard Wake being the new owner. Here's hoping! Ted Wilkinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The home of the Wilkinson family from 1402, as proved by documents (how much earlier nobody knows), to 1859, when it was purchased by Mr. Bernard Wake. See "Crowder House" Ref: 942.74 SQ PictureSheffield (1 of 11) Hello, I'm hoping that someone has access to an out of print book about Longley and Southey called "It was all country then" by Sylvia Anginotti the councillor (published 1986)? It appears that there are two pages of information about Crowder House which I'd be interested in. Some of the photos from the book have recently appeared on the council Picture Sheffield.com website. They are photos of the landing and dining room and show that Crowder Hall was a cruck building - which would suggest that it was based on the original building handed over in Julyann Wilkinson's will of 1402. ( And reinforces my view that it was a travesty to knock it down in 1935 to build a row of semi's...) Reason for my interest is that my ancestors were Crowder House Wilkinsons, I've got a definite line back to about 1600 and I'm trying for further back, so am collecting all pieces of info that I can. The family lost the house when a Cattle Dealer who was renting it went bankrupt and the house had to be mortgaged, but on the death of William Wilkinson in 1854 it was re-possessed and auctioned, Bernard Wake being the new owner. Here's hoping! Ted Wilkinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Fireplace in Dining Room at Crowder House Dining Room another ... dining room ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 One of the oldest farmsteads in the area, Crowder House (sometimes known as Winksley House) was mentioned in deeds of 1402 when Mrs. Julyan Wilkinson quit claimed the house and the estate to her son, Henry. In 1859 her decendants sold it to the Wake family.and was converted into a modern residence by Bernard Wake of Sheffield. All the interior fittings were preserved including oak panelling: oak doors and leaded windows. The site of the ancient house was once used by Shiregreem Methodist Church for picnics and and carol singing. Sold to the Council it was demolished in 1937, now the site of Hereward road and Crowland Road. See: Crowder House Ref: 942.74 SQ also Britain in Old Photographs, Shire Green, Wincobank & Ecclesfield by Brian Woodriff; Ref. 942.74 S. PictureSheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Demolished in 1935. For more information see 'It was all country then' by Sylvia Anginotti, p10-12 PictureSheffield Another and 1935 ? 1937 ? Discuss ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The home of the Wilkinson family from 1402, as proved by documents (how much earlier nobody knows), to 1859, when it was purchased by Mr. Bernard Wake. See "Crowder House" Ref: 942.74 SQ PictureSheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Settle on the landing at Crowder House, showing, on right, one of the 'Merrythought beams' which go from the foundations to the roofs. PictureSheffield Must try to locate the book for you. .... landing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You don't say where you are Ted , but there are a number of copies of the book available in the City Libraries, including several available for loan. Just in case you're one of our scattered brethren I've put a request in for it , so I'll look out the relevant bit when it arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Thanks for the Library info, I'm living in Lancashire so if you can assist with the library that would be great. (I've updated my profile so should now show where I'm living) "Merrythought" seems to be an ancient name for a chicken wishbone, and I guess used in connection with house construction relates to the wishbone like appearance of cruck beams, Was Crookes named for dwellings using this type of construction? David Hey reckons that cruck building went out of favour for houses in about 1470 and after that was only used for barns and outbuildings. Cheers, Ted (Ramsbottom, Lancs - all the cotton mills seem to be closed here for some reason....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 PM'd Ted with the info from the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest 0443 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hi Ted, I am sat reading a copy of "it Was All Country Then" edited by S Anginotti and it does have 3 pages of Crowder House. The earliest date recorded is 1395 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hello 0443, I did get hold of the relevant 3 pages (courtesy of Bayleaf). I've found a little earlier information from the 1379 Subsidy Rolls (Poll Tax) for Ecclesfield - the father of John (husband of Julyan/Juliana) was William : "Johannes filius Willelmi & Juliana uxor ejus" was charged one groat. So the first Wilkinson occupant I know about was William, as was the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SylviaA Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I do have copies of the book and I have a lot of other Information if Ted Wilkinson would like to contact me on 0114 xxxxxxx. Sylvia Anginotti. ------------------------------------------------ Edit: Sylvias phone number available on request, (contact a moderator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I do have copies of the book and I have a lot of other Information if Ted Wilkinson would like to contact me on 0114 2500361. Sylvia Anginotti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richard J Webb Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I too have links to the Wilkinsons of Crowder House via Nathanial's daughter Ann who married Nicholas Timm, mentioned in Nathanial's will of 1729. Although I'm a few years late joining this thread I hope someone might be able to supply more info please. Are Sylvia or Ted reading this? Best wishes, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hi Richard, The link to Dropbox below will give you lots of info, though some is later than you will be interested in. First port of call should be the spreadsheet " Wilkinson Family Tree" - use either Microsft Excel or LibreOffice to open it, the hyperlinks on the boxes on the tree take you to the appropriate text. Any questions etc, you're welcome to "private message" me via SheffieldHistory.co.uk. Nice to hear from you! (Link removed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richard J Webb Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Hi Edmund, Thank you very much for the info, I emailed you earlier this week. At the moment I can only add images of births, marriages and deaths, mostly from the Ecclesfield parish register, if you've not already got them. I'm adding info to my tree and trying to find the source material myself where possible. My friend/co-researcher/distant cousin who is also related to the Wilkinsons via the Nicholas Timm/Ann Wilkinson marriage, actually lives in a house built almost on the site of Crowder House! Best wishes, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Doesn't add to the information you already have but I thought you might like the article copied some years ago from the Telegraph dated 12/10/1958. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Crowder House, Barnsley Road, Longley, showing south side as the Wilkinson family knew it. y00862 Notes: The home of the Wilkinson family from 1402, as proved by documents (how much earlier nobody knows), to 1859, when it was purchased by Mr. Bernard Wake. See Crowder House Ref: 942.74 SQ. Showing the north side as the Wilkinsons would have known it except for the french window put in by Bernard Wake. y00863 North side. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y00864&pos=25&action=zoom&id=48483 Crowder House, Barnsley Road, Longley, showing south side after alterations for Miss Jane Wake. y00865 Crowder House and Garden. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;v01362&pos=13&action=zoom&id=43135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysanderix Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Originating in those parts I am always amazed at the loss of so many old properties….I suspect with the provision of Council housing in the main. In my time living at the Lane Top we have lost cottages on Elm Lane as well as old housing on Hatfield House Lane! As a matter of interest ,is Hatfield House itself still in existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysanderix Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Answering my own question. Yes it is….the grade 2 listed dwelling is now converted into 4 flats and known as Hatfield House Crofts. I seem to remember reading that at some stage in his life ,Joseph Hunter( author of Hunters Hallamshire) lived in the original house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 A Christmas Story of 1402 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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