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#1 Sheffield History

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 07:31 PM

REDGATES

LOCATION
Furnival Gate (sunwin house ?)

INFORMATION
Much missed toy shop that took up 3 whole floors ! This place was heaven for children who could pay money reguarly into a christmas savings scheme and redeem their books at christmas for a treat.


PICTURES
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Coming soon..

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:48 PM

You just mentioned the ONE word that really brings back loads of memories of childhood.

'Redgates'

What a SUPERB store that was - I would only agree to go to town with mum if she would take me to Redgates.

Loved the huge rack of Subbuteo stuff, as well as all the usual top-draw toys of the time.

We were spilt at one bit too as I remember, as we had a 'Hamleys' virtually around the corner.

I was like a kid in a toy-shop. Literally.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:54 PM

Here's a challenge for you - see if you can find any photo's of the place because I'm really struggling !

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 12:21 AM

There is one of the Redgates that was on the Moor, following it being bombed, on Picture Sheffield.

As I remember the history of Redgates (I once read a load of info about it somewhere on the net) it started on The Moor and moved once or twice before settling where Sunwin House now is?

I'll try and find more info..





It would seem that Redgates has had 3 locations:

1) Bottom of Ecclesall Road (when Ecclesall Road met The Moor, London Road, Cemetary Road and St. Mary's Gate with a roundabout - Redgates was a little way away from the junction)
2) Near top of Moor (Where Sports Soccer currently occupies, opposite Debenhams)
3) Furnival Gate (Where Sunwin House now occupies)

It was a family business for some years until a gentleman bought it in the 30's - he was the chap responsible for it moving up the bomb-damaged Moor during the rebuilding process and turning it into the much grander scale that is remembered by many a kid-at-heart now.

I'll try and find out more...

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:55 PM

If anybody finds any pics of this i will wet myself

Ill have a hunt

please someone, there must be some somewhere

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:56 PM

We are searching like CRAZY for one - and we won't give up

We WILL succeed

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 01:51 AM

I remember Redgates being on the moor that building is still there, it used to house a stationary / card shop but don't know if it still does as I have not been back for a couple of years. I also remember the new store opening it really was a magical place.

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 01:02 PM

redgates71.jpg
courtesy of J R WRIGLEY

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 02:23 PM

I remember Redgates being on the moor that building is still there, it used to house a stationary / card shop but don't know if it still does as I have not been back for a couple of years. I also remember the new store opening it really was a magical place.

The stationery shop was Universal Stationers, and I remember a tunnel that went from this shop into Redgates at the Sunwin House location. a truly magical place for a kid to go! I once won a gift voucher for Redgates in a Junior Star Competition and I felt like a millionaire going in to spend it

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 06:09 PM

You just mentioned the ONE word that really brings back loads of memories of childhood.

'Redgates'

What a SUPERB store that was - I would only agree to go to town with mum if she would take me to Redgates.

Loved the huge rack of Subbuteo stuff, as well as all the usual top-draw toys of the time.

We were spilt at one bit too as I remember, as we had a 'Hamleys' virtually around the corner.

I was like a kid in a toy-shop. Literally.


Redgates was the stuff of childhood legends. A trip there on Saturdays with my parents was almost as good as waiting for Christmas morning.......I'm talking about the one where Sunwin House is now.
I once took part in a nationwide Subbuteo tournament that Redgates held in their store. Got past round 1 but knocked out in round 2 due to a very dubious offside decision!!!

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 08:57 PM

Was downstairs where the bikes were ?

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 06:56 AM

Hi , Just thought I would like to tell you that my sister-in-law did the designs and displays for many years at Redgates, The internal ones and the beautiful window displays at Christmas, She never really grew up, we put it down to her playing with toys all day, even in her late twenties.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 08:12 AM

To be honest I think as many adults as children loved Redgates so can't really blame her !

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 04:46 PM

Never went to the Sunwin House location but went almost every week as a kid to the one near the Moor. Remember my mate getting arrested for shoplifting a small rubber spider there back in about 1977, and I was frightened to go in again for months, even though I didn't steal anything, because I thought they would be looking out for me as I was his mate.

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 04:49 PM

A small rubber spider eh ?

I remember seeing one in there that was as big as an adults hand, made of rubber, and has spikey back and legs - it was fantastic and we bought it.

It had red eyes and the legs were excellent - really long and the thing moved realistically as it was made of rubber too

When you say the one near the moor I wonder if you mean Sunwin House - or maybe a location before that ?

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 06:18 PM

Never went to the Sunwin House location but went almost every week as a kid to the one near the Moor. Remember my mate getting arrested for shoplifting a small rubber spider there back in about 1977, and I was frightened to go in again for months, even though I didn't steal anything, because I thought they would be looking out for me as I was his mate.


Welcome to the site. It is good to have another "Canuck" onboard. Enjoy the site and visit often.

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 09:48 PM

Was Redgates located at three different locations at differenrt times:

Furnival Gate, the the store we all know and love

Sunwin House

And one that I don't recall seeing mentioned Just round the corner from Furnival Gate on The Moor, it may have been a temporarily location, perhaps sometime in the early to mid 1970s. The sales floor had a ramp in it which always caught me out, seem to recall it was a large single level sales area.

Can anyone shed any more light on this location?

Maybe I'm just dreaming?

I'm just waiting for the day a colour photo of that giant Redgates sign is finally located and posted, who needs Hamleys.

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 10:27 PM

A small rubber spider eh ?

I remember seeing one in there that was as big as an adults hand, made of rubber, and has spikey back and legs - it was fantastic and we bought it.

It had red eyes and the legs were excellent - really long and the thing moved realistically as it was made of rubber too

When you say the one near the moor I wonder if you mean Sunwin House - or maybe a location before that ?


I'm thinking of the one just off Furnival Gate...opposite the Hind pub. My paternal grandparents used to take us there every Sunday (almost) during the early-mid 70s. I loved the toy soldiers displays just inside the main doors. Very happy memories.

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 11:48 PM

Was Redgates located at three different locations at differenrt times:

Furnival Gate, the the store we all know and love

Sunwin House

And one that I don't recall seeing mentioned Just round the corner from Furnival Gate on The Moor, it may have been a temporarily location, perhaps sometime in the early to mid 1970s. The sales floor had a ramp in it which always caught me out, seem to recall it was a large single level sales area.

Can anyone shed any more light on this location?

Maybe I'm just dreaming?

I'm just waiting for the day a colour photo of that giant Redgates sign is finally located and posted, who needs Hamleys.


The Moor was teh location most people over 50 will remember as being THE redgates.

It was there many many years certainly all through the 50's and 60's

Two floors - ground floor and basement. The ground floor was mainly bikes and prams, but I remember one year they had a train set on display there - not a normal size one - this was huge - the sort any backstreet kid could only dream of simply becaue it was designed to carry kids. A slightly smaller version of the minature railways you can ride on in Stately Homes or at seaside resports

Downstairs was dedicated to the 'proper' toys - two rooms, one for games etc the other mainly for kits, scalextric model trains etc.

When I was really young they had a helicopter ride in the corner of this room - for 6d you could siit on this thing and it woould take you up almost to the ceiling.

Hanging from the ceiling were all manner of model aircraft - all built with loving care and incredible detail by a bloke in a wheelchair. Occasionallu he would give a 'show' and build a kit out on the shopfloor

a magical magical place - on the 'other' Sheffield forum I think I am right in saying that this shop had more posts in it by far when it ran a thread about old Sheffield shops - Redgates won by a mile

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:27 PM

Thanks for confirmation about Redgates on The Moor, reading your description things are falling into place.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:31 PM

The stationery shop was Universal Stationers, and I remember a tunnel that went from this shop into Redgates at the Sunwin House location. a truly magical place for a kid to go! I once won a gift voucher for Redgates in a Junior Star Competition and I felt like a millionaire going in to spend it


It was also Quadrant Stationers, but don't know whether that was before or after Universal. One of them had a large poster department - downstaoits and to the left, that took up nearly the whole side of the shop.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 05:47 PM

Was Redgates the one with the train track attached to the ceiling?

I remember the planes and subbuteo stuff, but I was really little at the time.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:09 PM

Was Redgates the one with the train track attached to the ceiling?

I remember the planes and subbuteo stuff, but I was really little at the time.


Beatties on Pinstone St. had the model overhead railway

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:27 PM

Beatties on Pinstone St. had the model overhead railway


Ahhh thats the one...

Cheers.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:50 PM

The sign for Beatties was Yellow, Black and White as far as I can remember

As for redgates - I'm trying to think of what the sign was like

I'm sure it was a huge red farm gate logo on the front of the store about halfway up ?

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 04:47 PM

The sign for Beatties was Yellow, Black and White as far as I can remember

As for redgates - I'm trying to think of what the sign was like

I'm sure it was a huge red farm gate logo on the front of the store about halfway up ?



errrrr......Admin........perhaps you ought to take a look at the Photo that YOU put up as the start off to this thread

This is a picture of model train wagon....with the Redgates sign and logo clearly seen (Incidentally a photo I originally downloaded from Ebay and sent to the 'other' Sheffield Forum)

Get a grip lad....

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 04:53 PM

ha ha ha !!

I should slow down - I'm flying at full speed at the moment flicking between websites like this one, sheffieldreviews.co.uk, and sheffielders.co.uk

I wouldn't make so many errors if I chilled out a little !

The picture above is the exact Redgates sign - doh !

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 05:52 PM

Hello I love all this nostalgia!
Being from Rotherham, my brother and I were allowed to come 'Up Sheff' and spend our birthday/Christmas/Easter money in Redgates-for us it was a complete day out! This was the mid-80s and so Transformers and Sindy dolls were the order of the day. I think the prospect of coming up to the city was more exciting than Christmas itself! Now that I live in Sheffield I go past Sunwin House trying to figure out exactly how it looked so the sooner someone finds an old photo the better!

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 01:07 PM

This thread is bringing a smile to my face.

I must agree that Redgates (logo was a red gate) was a magical almost mythical place.

There wasn't really any specialist toy shops in them days. You would just find small toy sections
in department stores or in the market.

However Redgates had a similiar stock to the current ToysRus shop.
Basically Redgates was 20 years before its time and the sheer level of choice just blew you away.

I remember Subbuteo being really big in the late 70's.
Suggs used to have a decent stock/ choice, but when you went to Redgates they had the whole catalogue.

They had just about every single football team in stock and all the extra's (floodlights, stadiums etc).

As a child you could spend almost a hour just looking around Redgates.
It was probably the most famous and best known shop to children.

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 01:12 PM

What was it about Redgates that created the magic though ?

I'm sure kids won't remember Toysrus as fondly

Was it that there were loads of smaller items at Redgates that you could pick up and play with that didn't cost a lot ?

I remember things like marbles, plastic spiders, cap guns etc - none of them in packets - just in big drums or clear plastic containers that you could rummage about in

Also - staircases, other floors and other aspects of the Redgates layout would have helped create the magic..

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 01:42 PM

I agree ToysRus will never have the same magic because children are now use to higher levels of choice.

Also the presentation of ToyRus is pretty drab and unromantic.
Its basically a single floor warehouse with everything on view and piled high.

Its somewhere just to buy goods, the shopping experience is irrelevant these days for most busineses.

Redgates use to tease you because only little bits of the shop were introduced at a time.
The shop had a basement, ground, first and second floor (although I remember the 2nd floor only sold
bikes and prams and hardly any toys, it had a different atmosphere compared to the other floors)

I also agree the shop used to sell weird novelty style toys every now and then, so it was somewhere
that was worth visiting on a regular basis just to see if they had any new toys.

It was definately worth visiting the place even if you had no intentions of buying anything and you cant
say that about many shops.

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 06:42 PM

Has anyone asked The Star and/or the Archives about photos of Redgates ? (obvious really, just asking the question)

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 06:06 PM

It was also Quadrant Stationers, but don't know whether that was before or after Universal. One of them had a large poster department - downstaoits and to the left, that took up nearly the whole side of the shop.


OK, so replying to my own post ...

but I think it was Lonsdale Universal, not Universal Stationers, and that would then have been before Quadrant.

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 06:53 AM

AH...

I've not heard of Lonsdale before - have heard of Universal..

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 06:45 PM

I always used to get my subbuteo from there.

If I remember correctly all board games, subbuteo etc. were on the lower floor, and sportswear, footie boots etc was on the top floor.

Redgates was the best thing about going into town.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 04:56 PM

There is one of the Redgates that was on the Moor, following it being bombed, on Picture Sheffield.

As I remember the history of Redgates (I once read a load of info about it somewhere on the net) it started on The Moor and moved once or twice before settling where Sunwin House now is?

I'll try and find more info..
It would seem that Redgates has had 3 locations:

1) Bottom of Ecclesall Road (when Ecclesall Road met The Moor, London Road, Cemetary Road and St. Mary's Gate with a roundabout - Redgates was a little way away from the junction)
2) Near top of Moor (Where Sports Soccer currently occupies, opposite Debenhams)
3) Furnival Gate (Where Sunwin House now occupies)

It was a family business for some years until a gentleman bought it in the 30's - he was the chap responsible for it moving up the bomb-damaged Moor during the rebuilding process and turning it into the much grander scale that is remembered by many a kid-at-heart now.

I'll try and find out more...


This is Redgates, 5 to 7, The Moor after bombing. Sorry it's not the one we're all looking for but will keep on searching.

Picture Sheffield Image

Edited by madannie77, 09 December 2011 - 07:02 PM.
repaired broken link


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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:32 AM

You know, on this forum and the other one (Sheffield Forum) whenever the topic of this store is raised it attracts no end of comment.

I think I am right in saying that when the other forum asked for memories of Sheffield, Redgates came out on top by a long way, and yet, no-one has managed to show a decent photograph, of either of the two well remembered sites (top of Moor and Furnival Gate) and I think I may know the reason.......

Shoot me down in flames please if you don'tr agree, cus I am just as eager to see a pic - especially one of the Moor shop.

IT WAS A TOY SHOP!!!

Not a historic building - or a landmark - or a park - or a railway station - or department store - or a cinema/theatre - public building - museum etc etc etc

It was toy shop for kids - kids who at the time probably never owned a camera and anyway would not realise how special this shop would become later in life, as far as memories are concerned.

.....and how many dad's or mum's would be carrying a camera when taking their children to the place, and if they were - would they waste a precious (and in those days relatively expensive) shot on a toy shop?

It is only in later life, those kids who now remember Redgates with all these fond memories want to see it again - my guess, cruel as it may be, is that there is'nt one....at least not from the publc domain. It may be possible that the 'Star' has one in their archives or the council, for some reason.

Don't often play devils advovate but what do others think? - please tell me my train of thought is wrong, because, like I said I would dearly, dearly love to see just one pic of the shop at the Top of the Moor

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:54 AM

You're probably right, Docmel. Makes sense to me. I don't have access to my 'Old Sheffield' books from here and assume they've already been checked anyway. Certainly Googling has failed as I've spent hours trying that along with everyone else. Maybe if we nipped into the old Town Hall police box.....?

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 05:25 PM

I don't think anyone would particularly have just stood and taken a shot of Redgates as like Docmel says it was just a shop.

My hopes is that either an advertising photograph exists where maybe a shot was taken for an advertisement, flyer, poster etc or even that it is featured in a picture of something or someone else in the background ?

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:38 PM

I don't think anyone would particularly have just stood and taken a shot of Redgates as like Docmel says it was just a shop.

My hopes is that either an advertising photograph exists where maybe a shot was taken for an advertisement, flyer, poster etc or even that it is featured in a picture of something or someone else in the background ?

I have a book with the Redgates shop by the side of two trams (THE shop on the Moor!) but dont know how to submit as regards copyright ect.... Also found another showing the hexagon display cabinet just outside the main doorways- which ,like most stores, were set back from the main"display windows" either side ----- going on to the next store on Arundel Gate-(now Sunwin House) ((late 70s?)) can anyone remember the Ferrari replica which was in the window prior to Christmas costing back then around 10 Grand! It was around 8 foot long and a a perfect copy of the real thing,but smaller, and like the real car-out of reach for the general public, but again, drew in the crowds for weeks ,- WHICH MAKE LIFETIME MEMORIES -something which the" today " toy shops (Toys r us!!!!!!!) would,nt even think about!