southside Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 A bit of help req! In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall. One of the Many Lots up for Sale is The Lay Rectory of Norton with the Chancel of Norton Parish Church, or such part as belonged to the said Samuel Shaw, thereof and a rent charge of £14 per Annum upon lands in the Parish of Norton in lieu of Rectorial Tythes. Just out of interest can any one explain how this arrangement worked, ie did the Shaws own the Chancel? Also any info on the following Lots in the Sale. A Brick yard with Dwelling House and Brick Kilns thereon at Meadowhead A well frequented Public House at Norton Woodseats A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings. About 13 Acres of Coal in the Township of Coal Aston. Thanks Southside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 A bit of help req! In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall. A well frequented Public House at Norton Woodseats A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings. About 13 Acres of Coal in the Township of Coal Aston. Thanks Southside The Free Masons Arms was open at that time at Norton Woodseats, not aware of any others ? Anyone else got any thoughts please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skeets Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 A bit of help req! In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall. One of the Many Lots up for Sale is The Lay Rectory of Norton with the Chancel of Norton Parish Church, or such part as belonged to the said Samuel Shaw, thereof and a rent charge of £14 per Annum upon lands in the Parish of Norton in lieu of Rectorial Tythes. Just out of interest can any one explain how this arrangement worked, ie did the Shaws own the Chancel? Also any info on the following Lots in the Sale. A Brick yard with Dwelling House and Brick Kilns thereon at Meadowhead A well frequented Public House at Norton Woodseats A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings. About 13 Acres of Coal in the Township of Coal Aston. Thanks Southside HI Southside l think the brickyard referred to is lower down than Meadowhead, the old Woodside brickworks on Chesterfield Rd, l think is the one, now Homebase which was the first to be built on that site after the brickworks closed. The Public House would have been the Norton Hotel at Meadowhead or the Abbey at the bottom, having said that the Chantry on Woodseats bottom was a popular watering hole in those days after the haul up from Lowfields both for man and beast. not quite sure on that Regarding the Mansion House at Low Fields that would probably have been the one situated at the bottom of Sharrow Lane. [Although l had to submit a Property Condition for the Estates Surveyors Dept] on this building, l can't recall its name. Taking a guess at the Coal Aston land, l believe this was where the Holmesdale Estate was eventually built by Redmiles whom l was told the great,great grandfather bought the land for a song with no building rights, till the ban was lifted about a century later. Take this info with a pinch of salt but its not far out.Food for thought anyway. Cheers Skeets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Woodside brickworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Regarding the Mansion House at Low Fields that would probably have been the one situated at the bottom of Sharrow Lane. Good suggestion skeets, it's a a bit of a puzzler that one, Mount Pleasant could fit the discription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 A bit of help req! In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall. One of the Many Lots up for Sale is The Lay Rectory of Norton with the Chancel of Norton Parish Church, or such part as belonged to the said Samuel Shaw, thereof and a rent charge of £14 per Annum upon lands in the Parish of Norton in lieu of Rectorial Tythes. Just out of interest can any one explain how this arrangement worked, ie did the Shaws own the Chancel? I'm willing to accept a second opinion, but I think it works like this. Before the Dissolution of the Monasteries, Beauchief Abbey provided the clergy at Norton Church. In return they would receive the tithes of the parish (i.e. 1/10th of the produce). After the dissolution, a member of the local gentry will have purchased the Rectorship and the associated tithes. The upkeep of the chancel was the responsibility of the church authorities, (in this case Samuel Shaw) whereas the nave was often the responsibility of the parishioners. He wouldn't have been a clergyman, but would have the right to appoint the rector. At some stage, the right to the tithes was given up in return for an annual payment of £14. All this was a disposable asset, hence the above Lot. Comments anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madannie77 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Harold Armitage, in Chantrey Land (page 9 in my version), states "Mr Pearson was patron of the living, for he had purchased the advowson from Cavendish Nevile, who sold the rectorial tithes to the Shores and other land owners" Throughout the book, Harold Armitage refers to the Shore family of Norton Hall (as opposed to Shaw). Cavendish Nevile was Vicar of Norton from 1710 to 1750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Harold Armitage, in Chantrey Land (page 9 in my version), states "Mr Pearson was patron of the living, for he had purchased the advowson from Cavendish Nevile, who sold the rectorial tithes to the Shores and other land owners" Throughout the book, Harold Armitage refers to the Shore family of Norton Hall (as opposed to Shaw). Cavendish Nevile was Vicar of Norton from 1710 to 1750. Thanks Madannie, I think that fits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 On 11/11/2010 at 14:41, southside said: A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings. On 12/11/2010 at 19:11, SteveHB said: Good suggestion skeets, it's a a bit of a puzzler that one, Mount Pleasant could fit the discription. One house that comes to mind that stood in the Low Fields area was Fieldhead House, not sure when the house was built but it was there in 1860. picturesheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Found this from Sheffield Forum Same with Lowfield. The house of that name stood in the triangle formed by London road and Abbeydale road behind the Royal Hotel, - now occupied by Batt street. Maybe someone can find it on an old map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 A bit of help req! In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall. One of the Many Lots up for Sale is The Lay Rectory of Norton with the Chancel of Norton Parish Church, or such part as belonged to the said Samuel Shaw, thereof and a rent charge of £14 per Annum upon lands in the Parish of Norton in lieu of Rectorial Tythes. Just out of interest can any one explain how this arrangement worked, ie did the Shaws own the Chancel? Also any info on the following Lots in the Sale. A Brick yard with Dwelling House and Brick Kilns thereon at Meadowhead A well frequented Public House at Norton Woodseats A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings. About 13 Acres of Coal in the Township of Coal Aston. Thanks Southside Thank you for your replies A bit more help required please with the location of two more Lots from The Shore Estate Sale. Woolley Vale Works & Trout House Heeley The Location of The Brick Kiln and The Ouarry on Meadowhead are shown on this OS image from around 1840,also Photograph of Cobner Wood Quarry as is today. Thanks Southside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Found this from Sheffield Forum Same with Lowfield. The house of that name stood in the triangle formed by London road and Abbeydale road behind the Royal Hotel, - now occupied by Batt street. Maybe someone can find it on an old map? Flash Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Thank you for your replies A bit more help required please with the location of two more Lots from The Shore Estate Sale. Woolley Vale Works & Trout House Heeley The Location of The Brick Kiln and The Ouarry on Meadowhead are shown on this OS image from around 1840,also Photograph of Cobner Wood Quarry as is today. Thanks Southside Trout House stood next to the Little London Dam (wheel) on the Derbyshire side (south side) of the Meers Brook, in this area .. Flash Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 These are the newspaper clips about the Estate sale from the 21st May edition of the 1850 Derby Mercury. Also some information regarding the Shore family and the failure of the Parker Shore Bank, can be found on this Bishop House, Norton Lees and beyond website. https://bishopshouse.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/ethical-banking/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Norton Hall built 1815 by Samuel Shore https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s05286&pos=166&action=zoom&id=8744 Norton Hall and St James church, Norton drawn by L. Shore, c. 1815 - 1846 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc06262&pos=145&action=zoom&id=98688 Floor Plan of Norton Hall. 1848 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y11091&pos=143&action=zoom&id=72901 1775 Map of Grounds of Norton Hall the seat of Samuel Shore. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc01705&pos=147&action=zoom&id=69571 A map of Norton Hall, with the lands that lye contiguous thereto, for Joseph Offley. 1741 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc01706&pos=148&action=zoom&id=69572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Water Wheels Mentioned in Norton Hall Estate Sale: "A Farmhouse and House and Tilt called Heeley Tilt" Artists Impression of Heeley Tilt https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s10411&pos=2&action=zoom&id=13551 Could this be "a Water Flour Mill near Heeley called Heeley Mill" Heeley Corn Mill, 1860 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u02422&pos=9&action=zoom&id=38056 Also mentioned "Little London and Smithy Wood Bottom otherwise Woodley Vale Works." Probably: Smithy Wood Tilt and Forge https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s10453&pos=1&action=zoom&id=13592 Little London Wheel & Forge, River Sheaf. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;w00102&pos=24&action=zoom&id=45908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Further to the "Woodley Vale Works.... in the occupation of Wm Moore." Information from Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers edited by David Crossley with Jean Cass, Neville Flavell & Colin Turner. Under heading Little London Wheel: "By 1837 Wm Webster jnr and Co are named and at the Shore bankruptcy in 1849 Webster executors were tenants. The directories from 1849 to 1861 show that William Moore was sub tenant and occupier." Webster was making sythes when he occupied the site. Fig 123 shows an extract from a map of the Shore estates 1849 showing Little London Wheel. It shows there are a number of buildings on the site. Have you solved your other queries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 This map dated 1860 may help identify some properties. It also shows the "Misses Shore" are owners of some land and property near Smithy Wood and the other side of the River Sheaf. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y09973&pos=13&action=zoom&id=65492 Field House was also suggested by SteveHB as a possibility to one of the properties. Sale Plan of Field House Estate 20th May 1862 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y10786&pos=14&action=zoom&id=73187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 Yes I have Ponytail, thank you. The Quarry and Brickyard featured in the Estate sale was on Meadowhead (now the location of Morrison's supermarket) it was under the ownership of John Camm of Greenhill in the early 1850s along with other Quarries at Whirlow and Derbyshire Lane. At the turn of the century it was in the hands of Tedbar Tinker of Bradway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 A Survey of Broad Field estate and other contiguous lands belonging to Samuel Shore, [1779] - 1821 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03979&pos=17&action=zoom&id=102578 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Plan of Freehold Country Residence and Farm at Norton Lees for sale 14th July 1863 in the occupation of Rev. Percival BOWEN (who is mentioned in the Sale of Norton Hall Estate as occupying a property at Norton Lees) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y10781&pos=1&action=zoom&id=72965 Sale Particulars https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y10782&pos=2&action=zoom&id=72967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 House in Norton formerly in the occupation of Rev. H. H. Piper, who is mentioned in the Sale of the Norton Hall Estate. s05371 Norton Grange, Bunting Nook, formerly known as Hill Top. Built in 1744 for Mr Lowe, Non-Conformist minister to the Offley family of Norton Hall. Became a Boys' Boarding School, run by Revd Henry Piper, from 1814-1833. The Grange was built in 1744 for Mr Lowe, the Non-Conformist minister to the Offley family of Norton Hall. A late minister, the Revd Henry Piper, ran a boys' boarding school here from 1814-1833. The Grange was sold in 1850 and for a while was called Hill Top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Possibly shows land named in Norton Hall Estate Sale. Fairbanks Map 1792 of portions of land of - Non or late Jane Wylde and Ann Clay, Dronfield School land, lands of Robert Mower Esquire. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc01822&pos=41&action=zoom&id=70679 Also gives adjacent land as Samuel Shore Junior Esquire and Mill Dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Land in the Townships Totley and Dore in the Parish of Dronfield named in the Norton Hall Estate Sale. Dore Enclosure Map 1822 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc07355&pos=37&action=zoom&id=106542 Numbered on the map 63, 86 Samuel Shore. Samuel Shore's large allotment at Fulwood Lane, divided into parts held by Benjamin Fox, Samuel Halgate and Samuel Green, [1828] https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc04271&pos=36&action=zoom&id=105745 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The Estate of Samuel Shore in Upper Hallam. 1823 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03964&pos=32&action=zoom&id=102444 Plan of the large allotment in Upper Hallam belonging to Samuel Shore 1828 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03967&pos=33&action=zoom&id=102527 Brown Edge quarries, Fulwood Lane, with particulars of the workings from 1827 to 1834 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03968&pos=34&action=zoom&id=102529 The main part of the plan was made in 1827; a piece was added in 1834. 'Got by Benjamin Fox, Samuel Halgate, slate quarry, new and old quarry, SAMUEL SHORE, James Richardson. Fulwood Mills etc belonging to George Smith, held by William Woodhouse Jr. 1802 https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03970&pos=35&action=zoom&id=102531 Refers to Butter Briggs, allotment, Mill Field, SAMUEL SHORE, Upper Mill, Lower Mill, Cath. Hibberd's land, Geo. Patten, Thos. Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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