AndyS Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hi , I'm in the process of tracing my wife's family and have found that her great grandfather was Patrick Mooney. After being released from Wakefield Prison (described as 'inmate' in 1891 Census) he was shown to be living with his sister-in-law (Marry Ann Mooney - widow) at 23 Corporation Street, Sheffield in the 1911 Census. This was described as a 'Public House' and stated that she was the 'Publican' - does anyone know the name of the pub? Thanks in anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hi , I'm in the process of tracing my wife's family and have found that her great grandfather was Patrick Mooney. After being released from Wakefield Prison (described as 'inmate' in 1891 Census) he was shown to be living with his sister-in-law (Marry Ann Mooney - widow) at 23 Corporation Street, Sheffield in the 1911 Census. This was described as a 'Public House' and stated that she was the 'Publican' - does anyone know the name of the pub? Thanks in anticipation. Hi and welcome AndyS. The Pub with no name? Corporation Street. Steelhouse lane 17 Women's Hostel. 23 Corporation Street Ellis, Son & Paramore, surgical instrument makers. Spring street White, Walker & Co, timber mers. Water street 37 George W Johnson. victualler. 39 Bower William Ivany, foreman Fidler James Ltd. contractors. from Kelly's dir: 1925 Corporation Street. Steelhouse lane 17 William Smith, (Beerhouse). 19 Benjamin Moor, shopkeeper. 21 Solonon Brody, cabinet maker. 23 Corporation Street, Mrs. Mary Ann Mooney (Beerhouse). Spring Street White, Walker & Co timber mers. Water street 37 John Henry, victualler Edward Cave, timber merchant. from White's dir: 1901 Link to picturesheffield 23,Corporation Street, on the L/H side looking up Spring Street, looks like it could have been a PH at one time. Link to 1950's OS map #03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 All taken from our A-Z of Public Houses, not a lot of help I'm afraid, better wait for the experts to log on. New Bridge Corporation Street Open 1901 Closed Span Comments Earlier 1901 Mrs Caroline E Hutchinson Industry Inn /"T'Swarf Oil" Corporation Street Open Closed Span Comments Earlier Carlton 17 Corporation Street Open 1871 Closed Span Comments Earlier 1871 Edwin Grayson (Beerhouse) 1881 Charles Norton Corporation Hotel 37 Corporation Street, S3 Open 1871 Closed Span Comments Earlier 1871 James Firth 1881 James Firth 1901 John H Freeman 1905 William Wilkinson 1911 William Johnson 1925 George W Johnson 1948 Harry Billingham 1951 Chas. Larder Brown Golden Ball Spring Street Open 1774 1774 Paris Justice Blue Pig/Blue Boar (before ~1833)/Oxford (after ~1884) 6/22 Workhouse Lane & 41/43 Spring Street Open 1822 Closed Span Comments Earlier 1871 (White's) Edward Parkin, victualler, Blue Pig (22 Workhouse Lane) 1879 (White's) Thomas Saynor, victualler, Blue Pig (41 Spring Street & 22 Workhouse Lane) 1905 (White's) Henry Bingham, victualler, Oxford (22 Workhouse Lane) 1911 (Census) Henry Bingham, Licensed Victualler (22 Workhouse Lane) 1911 (White's) Henry Bingham, victualler, Oxford (22 Workhouse Lane) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 Thanks SteveHB, Yes the photo from the 50's does appear to show a building sporting a pub frontage and the description of 25 Corporation Street (Mrs Mary Ann Mooney) as being a 'Beerhouse' tends to make the point. I'm not sure if I'm right but I remember my grandparents referring to some pubs as being 'Three Ale Bars' which I think meant that they only had a licence to sell beers or porter and not spirits - I was wondering if the term 'Beerhouse' meant the same or if it had some different connotation? I may have to visit the Sheffield Archives and look through their magistrates records to see if there was a licence granted to Mary and if so this may hopefully provide the pub's name. Thanks once again for your valuable info. AndyS Hi and welcome AndyS. The Pub with no name? Corporation Street. Steelhouse lane 17 Women's Hostel. 23 Corporation Street Ellis, Son & Paramore, surgical instrument makers. Spring street White, Walker & Co, timber mers. Water street 37 George W Johnson. victualler. 39 Bower William Ivany, foreman Fidler James Ltd. contractors. from Kelly's dir: 1925 Corporation Street. Steelhouse lane 17 William Smith, (Beerhouse). 19 Benjamin Moor, shopkeeper. 21 Solonon Brody, cabinet maker. 23 Corporation Street, Mrs. Mary Ann Mooney (Beerhouse). Spring Street White, Walker & Co timber mers. Water street 37 John Henry, victualler Edward Cave, timber merchant. from White's dir: 1901 Link to picturesheffield 23,Corporation Street, on the L/H side looking up Spring Street, looks like it could have been a PH at one time. Link to 1950's OS map #03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Beerhouse, 1911, Mrs Mary Ann Mooney, 23 Corporation Street (White's Directory of 1911). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Beerhouse, 1911, Mrs Mary Ann Mooney, 23 Corporation Street (White's Directory of 1911). George Stamp, Beer retailer, 23 Corporation Street (Kelly's 1893) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The 'not very accurate' 'A Pub on Every Corner' by Wilf Banks - Maps, shows the corner of Spring St & Corporation St as number 77, the London Prentice PH. 081_e.pdf Link to 'A Pub on Every Corner' by Wilf Banks Maps from original publication. Data not to be relied on as we have found faults regarding Street numbers/positions before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The 'not very accurate' 'A Pub on Every Corner' by Wilf Banks - Maps, shows the corner of Spring St & Corporation St as number 77, the London Prentice PH. 081_e.pdf Link to 'A Pub on Every Corner' by Wilf Banks Maps from original publication. Data not to be relied on as we have found faults regarding Street numbers/positions before. For the year of publication it's magnificent - same with Lamb's book, the phrase "I don't know anything about the following Pubs ..." inspired me muchly, Francis Burdett, McCready can't remember the other two - but we know about them now. Should we redo Bank's maps and make them more accurate with our current data ? Obviously beyond my abilities, but, I'm enthused again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 For the year of publication it's magnificent - same with Lamb's book, the phrase "I don't know anything about the following Pubs ..." inspired me muchly, Francis Burdett, McCready can't remember the other two - but we know about them now. Should we redo Bank's maps and make them more accurate with our current data ? Obviously beyond my abilities, but, I'm enthused again. Sorry Richard, I should have used the phrase 'not accurate' 'but most useful' Could have a go at a map update, map number one due for release at Christmas lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Sorry Richard, I should have used the phrase 'not accurate' 'but most useful' Could have a go at a map update, map number one due for release at Christmas One map a month, could have it sorted by ... whenever, need a link to the names of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted August 27, 2010 Author Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hi SteveHB & RichardB, I've just been to the Sheffield Archives office in order to view the magistrates records for 'Beerhouse' at 23 Corporation Street. It shows it as 'Corporation Stores' and that the beer supplier is 'John Smith's - Tadcaster' . The licence was 'confiscated' for some unstated reason on the 13th Dec 1913. Rgds, AndyS One map a month, could have it sorted by ... whenever, need a link to the names of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hi SteveHB & RichardB, I've just been to the Sheffield Archives office in order to view the magistrates records for 'Beerhouse' at 23 Corporation Street. It shows it as 'Corporation Stores' and that the beer supplier is 'John Smith's - Tadcaster' . The licence was 'confiscated' for some unstated reason on the 13th Dec 1913. Rgds, AndyS Well researched updates always gratefully received, great work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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