ceegee Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 On the Sheffield Indexers site there is a burial record for a John Gilberthorpe in Burngreave Cemetery GILBERTHORPE, John (Labourer, age 87). Died at Court 5 Dunn street; Buried on February 16, 1874 in Consecrated ground; Grave Number 5, Section E4 of Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield. I am led to believe that John was described at the time of his interment as a "Trafalgar Hero" by the local press. Can anyone add anything further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 On the Sheffield Indexers site there is a burial record for a John Gilberthorpe in Burngreave Cemetery GILBERTHORPE, John (Labourer, age 87). Died at Court 5 Dunn street; Buried on February 16, 1874 in Consecrated ground; Grave Number 5, Section E4 of Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield. I am led to believe that John was described at the time of his interment as a "Trafalgar Hero" by the local press. Can anyone add anything further? I've spent some time on this and I've got to say I'm defeated - a fine question. [Might be nice to know Ships and Sheffielders involved; thus far I've only found Sheffield people on the Minotaur.] - Distinct thread to be started if anyone else can come up with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I've spent some time on this and I've got to say I'm defeated - a fine question. [Might be nice to know Ships and Sheffielders involved; thus far I've only found Sheffield people on the Minotaur.] - Distinct thread to be started if anyone else can come up with others. Not to forget Rev. Scott. though not from Sheffield came to live with his daughter & son in law and is buried in Ecclesfield churchyard - Nelson's chaplain on the Victory - I have posted a photo on here somewhere - damned if I can find it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceegee Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 The newspaper clipping is dated 17th February 1874 and appears under the title DISGRACEFUL SCENES AT A SHEFFIELD CEMETERY. I have come across a few disputes of a similar kind whilst trawling through C19th newspapers. It is rather evident that these disputes gave rise to strong passions all round. It also seems to contradict the common notions of a staid and sombre Victorian funeral - an "indignation meeting" seems to be a rather interesting concept!. As I stated in the earlier mail, any further information would be welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Excellent post ceegee, i started 'building the Victory' last year, but the model was discontinued. The model is now available again and will go the full run. So i have been searching for any Sheffield men that were at Trafalgar. I have a crew list of the Victory but there is no 'Gilberthorpe' on there. I have also checked the two books by Albert Jackson, 'The Burngreave Cemetery Grave Digger' and 'Victims of the Great War' in which he includes men from Balaclava, Indian Wars, South Africa etc and there's no mention of him in those. I believe any papers for him would be at TNA. Dunsby, i searched for your post last week and found it by searching for 'Trafalgar', it's in the Ecclesfiled post's in the results. Local Studies next for me then, i'll also see if there is a headstone remainig at Burngreave. Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceegee Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Deansgirl There was a mail posting to Rootsweb in July 2005 re the Sheffield men at Trafalgar. The post stated "Following a link posted on YORKSGEN I found this search engine for men who served in the Battle of Trafalgar http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/advanced_search.asp Using this I found the following who are listed as being born in Sheffield. John Cooper 38 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman James Gregory 18 Sheffield Landsman Isaac Hammond 28 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman George Heberson 17 Sheffield Landsman John Hill 24 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman William Ingham Sheffield Private, Marine Thomas Kirk 20 Sheffield Landsman George Lowton 20 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman William Mallison 19 Sheffield Private, Marine Stephen Payne 22 Sheffield Landsman Joseph Pochaine 20 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman Daniel Sinclair 25 Sheffield Quartergunner James Wilkinson 34 Sheffield Ordinary Seaman The age is that on the day of the battle, 21 October 1805. There is a link to further information for each entry, usually including the names of their ships." John Gilberthorpe sadly does not appear on the list - I know The Friends of Burngreave Cemetery conduct tours of the Cemetery and thought they may find some use for the information on John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Ceegee, i've just downloaded those names from TNA to put on here, you beat me to it! Yes, no Gilberthorpe, but it does state that it is an ongoing project, also John might have been born elsewhere other than Sheffield. 'Albert Jackson' i have referred to is the guy who does the tour's, i know John, sorry 'Albert' well, he's also the guy who wrote the books, (with contributions from me for the Great War one)! I'll contact him because i know he will be interested in this. I love the fact that Daniel Sinclair was on the 'Fighting Temeraire', i use that picture as my screen saver. Out with the old wind power and in with steam power !! Brilliant picture. I should think this thread you started Ceegee could be extended greatly now we have some names etc. It took me 6 attempts to get those names from TNA, the site kept freezing on me so i haven't had a good look at it. Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Ceegee, in ADM 29/1-96 at TNA there is a John Gilberthorpe born Rotherham. Served Royal Artillery, discharged aged 25, covering years 1812-1815, so the dates 'fit'. This info comes from Certificate's of Service, for men who applied for a pension, gratuity or medal. These cert's are being used to complie the list of men at Trafalgar. Obviously more work needed to prove outright it is the same man. Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Dean/Ceegee Hope this of interest. 1805 Nov. 4 Battle of Trafalgar ; news came to the town of the great victory of Trafalgar, and the death of Admiral Nelson, on the 21st October. " The hour of vengeance comes—by Gades' towers. By high Trafalgar's ever trophied shore. The godlike warrior on the adverse powers Leads his resistless fleet with daring prore. Full on the foe he hurls his fires. Performs the dread behest, and in the flash expires." - Pye Dec.5. Observed as a day of thanksgiving for the transcendant victory of Trafalgar ; collected at the three churches, "for the relief of the families of the slain" £100. 17s. 11d. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 1806 October 21 First anniversary (commemoration of the battle of Trafalgar) of the Nelson club ; " Its fund, the benefit of which no member can receive, is raised by regular contributions, and is applicable only to patriotic and charitable purposes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Paul, where are those references from please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trefcon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Ceegee, possible Chelsea Pensioner. Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 On the Sheffield Indexers site there is a burial record for a John Gilberthorpe in Burngreave Cemetery GILBERTHORPE, John (Labourer, age 87). Died at Court 5 Dunn street; Buried on February 16, 1874 in Consecrated ground; Grave Number 5, Section E4 of Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield. I am led to believe that John was described at the time of his interment as a "Trafalgar Hero" by the local press. Can anyone add anything further? This reminds me of a memorial I came across in a churchyard in Thornton-le-Dale in North Yorkshire - I later read that the claim about Napoleon was dusbious but in those days I suppose when men got to be such a great old age there was no one left to disagree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 He is not mentioned in the Waterloo Medals Roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Came across this though it does not identify where the men came from http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Trafalgar/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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