A bit of the old barracks

[Guest Gramps]

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Apparently this property survived until 1992 and the widening of Pensitone road. It was the only survivng remnant of the old cavalry barracks built in 1792/4 and originally served as the barrack infirmary and officer's quarters.

The old barracks site was bought by a partnership of builders in 1855 and used for the housing between Wood street and Barrack lane, incorporating Bertha street, Flora street, Gertrude street and Thirza street; - named, presumably, after female relatives of the builders.

Part of the site was used to extend Infirmary road into Langsett road and so avoid the little detour up White House lane, which, according to a report in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent at the time, was "exceedingly inconvenient".

[RichardB]

Original Barracks were mainly built of wood, the Whitehouse Lane buildings were part of the Crown Brewery.

http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...p;hl=whitehouse

Some previous discussion there.

Last remaining bit was the Medical Centre, Thirza Street :

PictureSheffield : Old Barrack's Infirmary, Barrack Lane / Thirza Street

(From Bailey to Bailey : Sheffield Libraries, Chapter 2: yes I'd love a copy - lost mine !)

[RichardB]

I'd love you to prove any of the buildings from 1992 were part of the Barracks; I spend 2 years, on and off, before SheffieldHistory and drew only the opposite conclusion. Go for it !

[Ponytail]

On 30/04/2009 at 15:25, Guest Gramps said:

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/pi...ff.refno=s07451

 

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/pi...ff.refno=s18668

 

Apparently this property survived until 1992 and the widening of Pensitone road. It was the only survivng remnant of the old cavalry barracks built in 1792/4 and originally served as the barrack infirmary and officer's quarters.

 

The old barracks site was bought by a partnership of builders in 1855 and used for the housing between Wood street and Barrack lane, incorporating Bertha street, Flora street, Gertrude street and Thirza street; - named, presumably, after female relatives of the builders.

 

Part of the site was used to extend Infirmary road into Langsett road and so avoid the little detour up White House lane, which, according to a report in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent at the time, was "exceedingly inconvenient".

 

Link restored. 

Old Barrack Infirmary

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07451&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10653

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s18668&pos=1&action=zoom&id=21236

 

 

[Ponytail]

On 30/04/2009 at 15:25, Guest Gramps said:

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/pi...ff.refno=s07451

 

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/pi...ff.refno=s18668

 

Apparently this property survived until 1992 and the widening of Pensitone road. It was the only survivng remnant of the old cavalry barracks built in 1792/4 and originally served as the barrack infirmary and officer's quarters.

 

The old barracks site was bought by a partnership of builders in 1855 and used for the housing between Wood street and Barrack lane, incorporating Bertha street, Flora street, Gertrude street and Thirza street; - named, presumably, after female relatives of the builders.

 

Part of the site was used to extend Infirmary road into Langsett road and so avoid the little detour up White House lane, which, according to a report in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent at the time, was "exceedingly inconvenient".

 

 

Link restored:

Old Barrack's Infirmary, Barrack Lane / Thirza Street. The old Barracks were on Penistone Road which was formerly called Low Road. s07451

 

Nos. 225 and 227, Penistone Road at the junction with Barrack Lane formerly the Old Barrack's Infirmary but being used as Flats. 18th February 1964.

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s18668&pos=1&action=zoom&id=21329

 

[Ponytail]

Plan of the ground near Sheffield on which the Barracks and other Buildings are erected and are to be demised by the Duke of Norfolk to Thos. Wyndham, esquire in trust for the Crown, 1795.

Surveyor: William Fairbank II. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc02713&pos=13&action=zoom&id=91680

 

The Barracks, Infirmary Road, 1795

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03825&pos=14&action=zoom&id=99507

 

[Ponytail]

Penistone Road from the junction with Barrack Lane (wall of Old Sheffield Barracks not Hillsborough Barracks) looking towards the Pigeon Lofts. s26386

Date: 06/10/1987. 

 

Penistone Road looking towards Balaclava Road and Barrack Lane (after the service station). 12th June 1967

The Old Barracks Infirmary (later used as flats) which stood at the junction with Penistone Road and Barrack Lane had at this time been demolished.

Due to copyright restrictions only the thumbnail is available to view on Picture Sheffield website. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s18659&pos=65&action=zoom&id=21320

Copyright. H. Ainscough. 

[Lysanderix]

Are we discussing the same barracks? My impression is that the original topic was about the cavalry facilities and not the later, much larger ,building which currently houses a Morrisons store amongst other facilities.This later building was based on one built to house troops  in India. My own GGG grandad was based here as a Farrier Major in the Queens Bays before retiring to open a blacksmiths in the Solly Street area whilst his twin went to run a beer house before becoming a Chelsea Pensioner.

 

[Ponytail]

5 hours ago, Lysanderix said:

Are we discussing the same barracks? My impression is that the original topic was about the cavalry facilities and not the later, much larger ,building which currently houses a Morrisons store amongst other facilities.This later building was based on one built to house troops  in India. My own GGG grandad was based here as a Farrier Major in the Queens Bays before retiring to open a blacksmiths in the Solly Street area whilst his twin went to run a beer house before becoming a Chelsea Pensioner.

 

Apologies I've put some of the posts under wrong heading. If someone could move the ones under the right heading please. Thank you. 

[SteveHB]

6 hours ago, Lysanderix said:

Are we discussing the same barracks? My impression is that the original topic was about the cavalry facilities and not the later, much larger ,building which currently houses a Morrisons store amongst other facilities.This later building was based on one built to house troops  in India. My own GGG grandad was based here as a Farrier Major in the Queens Bays before retiring to open a blacksmiths in the Solly Street area whilst his twin went to run a beer house before becoming a Chelsea Pensioner.

 

 

1 hour ago, Ponytail said:

Apologies I've put some of the posts under wrong heading. If someone could move the ones under the right heading please. Thank you. 

Mistake now corrected

 

[Ponytail]

Just now, SteveHB said:

 

Mistake now corrected

 

Thank you SteveHB, much appreciated. 

[SteveHB]

Just now, Ponytail said:

Thank you SteveHB, much appreciated. 

That is what I am here for, it's all part of the job

[Ponytail]

There's a brief description of the old Barracks in this extract:

"Everard (severely): The prospect from the top of Brocco, about which I was speaking when interrupted, embraced a sight of the Infirmary, then standing amidst fields and gardens; the old Barracks, rendered conspicuous by their whitewashed walls; the Club Mill, ensconced in the valley beside the stream of the Don; the house at Wardsend, on the margin of the wood; and above all, the Old Park Wood and Cook Wood, then existing in much of their primeval beauty; their sylvan solitudes undisturbed by the shriek of the railway whistle, as the trains now, by day and night, rush and thunder through.

Leonard: I have seen a water-colour drawing in the possession of Mr. Samuel Gardner, taken from his father's house at the top of Red hill in 1802, which embraces just such a view as you describe. Anything more completely rural could not be imagined.

Everard (continuing to read): "One dark November night, in the year 1817, I remember standing with my father on the top of the Brocco, from eleven o'clock until midnight. It was on the occasion, and at the very time, of the interment of the lamented Princess Charlotte. The hillside was partially covered with groups of spectators, who stood to watch the firing of the minute guns in the Barrack yard during the hour of the funeral procession. The flash of each discharge illuminated for an instant the entire valley, succeeded by a sense of deeper darkness, as the sound boomed up to where we stood and reverberated amongst the woods and hills. This midnight darkness and the firing, together with the solemn 'dumb peal' that fell upon the ear from the bells of the Parish Church, produced on my mind a lasting impression."

Extract from Reminiscences of Old Sheffield, it's streets and it's people. Edited 1875 by Robert Eadon Leader from letters and articles in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent. 1872/3.

 

[Ponytail]

Not the actual "Watercolour Painting" but looks to be a similar painting of the one described. Not very clear but the "old" Barracks could possibly be the building to the left of the Infirmary. 

The General (later Royal) Infirmary, from an oil painting. 1798. s07341

General Infirmary. The view is taken from about Port Mahon, and shows the back of the Infirmary. John Rawstone, architect. Opened 1797 See: Sheffield Royal Infirmary 1797-1897, A Brief Sketch of a Century of Work, John Daniel Leader F.S.A. Simeon Snell F.R.C.S. Ed; 1897; Ref: 362.11S

 

This painting (although later 1855) there appears to be a white building to the left of the Infirmary. 

West View of Sheffield by William Ibbitt, New Dam in foreground, Old Great Dam in background, Dam House between both dams. 1855. w02070

St. Philip's Church and General (later Royal) Infirmary can be seen to the left of the picture, in the distance.

[Ponytail]

Volunteers Recruiting Poster for the Yorkshire Light Dragoons. Under the command of Lieutenant Colonel T. R. Beaumont. Beaumont served as Commander, 1794-1802. 

 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y13758&pos=45&action=zoom&id=94719

 

The Queen's Own Yorkshire Dragoons was a yeomanry regiment of the British Army in existence from 1794 to 1956. It was formed as a volunteer cavalry force in 1794 during the French Revolutionary Wars. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Own_Yorkshire_Dragoons

 

[southside]

On 25/11/2023 at 20:58, Ponytail said:

 

Link restored:

Old Barrack's Infirmary, Barrack Lane / Thirza Street. The old Barracks were on Penistone Road which was formerly called Low Road. s07451

 

Nos. 225 and 227, Penistone Road at the junction with Barrack Lane formerly the Old Barrack's Infirmary but being used as Flats. 18th February 1964.

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s18668&pos=1&action=zoom&id=21329

 

You can just make out the Old Barracks Infirmary and its location on this Britain From Above photograph taken in 1938. and how the location looks today.  (Google Earth).

 Is the white building located close to the Royal Infirmary, the white building in the oil painting? Ponytail.

https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/EPW057400

[Ponytail]

16 hours ago, southside said:

You can just make out the Old Barracks Infirmary and its location on this Britain From Above photograph taken in 1938. and how the location looks today.  (Google Earth).

 Is the white building located close to the Royal Infirmary, the white building in the oil painting? Ponytail.

https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/EPW057400

 

1795 Fairbanks Plan of the Barracks

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc02713&pos=13&action=zoom&id=91680

 

It appears the old Barracks building which originally fronted onto Whitehouse Lane had already been demolished by the aerial image of 1938 to improve the Infirmary Road/Langsett Road; that would I think be the one possibiy depicted in the painting. 

Thanks for sourcing the aerial shot. On reflection wouldn't the old Barracks have been demolished by this time? 

 

[Ponytail]

Ordnance Survey Map, Yorkshire No. 294.3.24 (black and white). 1889. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;q00035&pos=6&action=zoom&id=71863

The remaining part of the old Barracks, the "Infirmary" at the junction of Penistone Road/Barrack Lane backing onto Thirza Street is shown as "Don View."

The Old Barrack Tavern (the first one, as opposed to the Barrack Tavern near the Hillsborough Barracks) at the junction of Penistone Road and Balaclava Road (1889 Map), does any body know when it was built? There is a building (1850 map) with a bowling green, wondered if this became the Old Barrack Tavern. 

1850 OS Map. 

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345217#zoom=7&lat=8185&lon=9916&layers=BT

 

 

[Ponytail]

This photograph dated March 1969 of the derelict J. Lockwood Edwards Ltd., No. 281 Penistone Road from Hillfoot Bridge was originally the Army Hotel (later named Clifton Hotel) affords an opportunity to see the property on Thirza Street and a retaining wall (left of the old P. H.) Part of the wall looks older and could be a section of an Old Barracks perimeter wall. 

 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s25929&pos=1&action=zoom&id=28695