Orreet Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Apologies for the large image, I have no idea how to upload a smaller one. Its only my second post so still getting to grips with it. I was taking photos of the Eyewitness Works this morning when I noticed this carving on the corner of Milton Street and Headford Street. I think it must be a couple of verses of a hymn, but why would some one go to this trouble and who were they? I cant quite make out the date. Feb 3rd 18.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Apologies for the large image, I have no idea how to upload a smaller one. Its only my second post so still getting to grips with it. I was taking photos of the Eyewitness Works this morning when I noticed this carving on the corner of Milton Street and Headford Street. I think it must be a couple of verses of a hymn, but why would some one go to this trouble and who were they? I cant quite make out the date. Feb 3rd 18.. "My God, My Father, While I Stray" by Charlotte Elliot, 1789-1871 Text From: THE LUTHERAN HYMNAL (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941) 1. My God, my Father, while I stray Far from my home on life's rough way Oh, teach me from my heart to say, "Thy will be done." 2. Though dark my path and sad my lot, Let me be still and murmur not Or breathe the prayer divinely taught, "Thy will be done." 3. What though in lonely grief I sigh For friends beloved, no longer nigh, Submissive still would I reply-- "Thy will be done." 4. Though Thou hast called me to resign What most I prized, it ne'er was mine; I have but yielded what was Thine-- "Thy will be done." 5. Should grief or sickness waste away My life in premature decay, My Father, still I strive to say, "Thy will be done." 6. Let but my fainting heart be blest With Thy sweet Spirit for its Guest; My God, to Thee I leave the rest-- "Thy will be done." 7. Renew my will from day to day; Blend it with Thine and take away All that now makes it hard to say, "Thy will be done." 8. Then, when on earth I breathe no more, The prayer, oft mixed with tears before, I'll sing upon a happier shore, "Thy will be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Welcome, thanks for the posting, most interesting. Do you have a bigger picture ? Forget the size, we're trying to make out the date; post images up to 2Mb. Maybe our "picture minded" people can make something of it (i.e. not me ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Name ? H P Bayer, Sayer ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orreet Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Heres a larger version, although it looks like HP Baver it could be a worn Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The hunt is on then ... Eyewitness details, dates, names ... Burial records ? War records for Bayer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I think its Sayer, 1896 ... just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 From this enhancement it looks like either Feb 18th or Feby 8th 1876 And HP Baver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 This looks like H.R Saver. I don't think it's a worn Y. as has been suggested. Look at all the other Y's - they all have much longer stalks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 This looks like H.R Saver. I don't think it's a worn Y. as has been suggested. Look at all the other Y's - they all have much longer stalks. Got a few hits from a global search at Sheffield Records for Sayer but none at all for Saver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Is it 'Saver' 'Sayer' it could be 'Baver' or ' Bayer' ? look at the B in FEB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1943 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Is it 'Saver' 'Sayer' it could be 'Baver' or ' Bayer' ? look at the B in FEB I think I may have the answer. On the 1871 Census a Henry Baver/Beever was living at 14 Neville Street with wife Priscilla. There is a marriage for Henry Ibbotson Beever in 1863 in Sheffield to Priscilla Looks as though he spelt his name Baver for some reason. I tracked him back and found him with his grandfather Ibbotson in Bradfield, a quarry owner and farmer on the 1851. On the 1881 he is again Beever. Henry seems to have died in 1885 The tie with the Ibbotsons of Bradfield would explain the change in the places of birth and the adding of Ibbotson Why it's where it is who knows, or why it was made. One thing is for certain, it is not the work of a time-served mason, but rather someone with a knowledge of stone working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sounds like an answer to me, well done. What does anyone else think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1943 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I would like to know whereabouts this is on the building. Another thing strikes me, the hymn was extensively used at funerals even in my own time. It was my Grandmother Browns favourite and 'Thy will be done' in quotation marks is on her headstone. I wonder if there was a death about this time - can't fimd one at the moment. Still doesn't explain why though does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I wonder if there was a death about this time - can't fimd one at the moment. Still doesn't explain why though does it Really good work and quite feasible. What about the possibility of the name not being the carver but the person who died in Feb 1876. Eg. a relative of your Henry or (Henry Ibbotson) Beever/Baver. Maybe his wife Priscilla had another forename beginning with H. - Like for instance, Hilda Priscilla Baver. This could be Henry's memorial to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1943 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Really good work and quite feasible. What about the possibility of the name not being the carver but the person who died in Feb 1876. Eg. a relative of your Henry or (Henry Ibbotson) Beever/Baver. Maybe his wife Priscilla had another forename beginning with H. - Like for instance, Hilda Priscilla Baver. This could be Henry's memorial to her. Priscilla's still with us in the 1891 living on Verdon Street. Her maiden name was Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Priscilla's still with us in the 1891 living on Verdon Street. Her maiden name was Smith. Strike that idea then <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orreet Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sounds like an answer to me, well done. What does anyone else think ? I would like to know whereabouts this is on the building. Another thing strikes me, the hymn was extensively used at funerals even in my own time. It was my Grandmother Browns favourite and 'Thy will be done' in quotation marks is on her headstone. I wonder if there was a death about this time - can't fimd one at the moment. Still doesn't explain why though does it The hymn is on an ashlar corner stone at the junction of Headford Street and Milton Street, at about chest height for a victorian gent. Ive got to say a big thanks to everyone involved, its amazing that a little imformation on a Sunday is turning up names and dates a few days later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The hymn is on an ashlar corner stone at the junction of Headford Street and Milton Street, at about chest height for a victorian gent. That should be staring me in the face then! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1943 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 That should be staring me in the face then! Off to have a look at it later today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJ-OK Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Apologies for resurrecting this thread. I came across the inscription on Eyewitness works a few weeks ago and decided to make a rubbing of it. Since there is more interest in Eyewitness works at the moment (with the recent Mausoleum of Giants exhibition) and the buildings upcoming conversion into flats I thought people might appreciate it if I shared the outcome of the rubbing (and an enhanced version of it). In terms of the history of the inscription, I cannot add anything beyond what is discussed in the thread - other then to confirm that my own research hasn't offered any better theory for the inscription origins. I just hope that when they redevelop the block they don't destroy it - since its been on the building for more then a hundred years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boginspro Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 hours ago, OJ-OK said: Apologies for resurrecting this thread. Surely no apology needed, I think it's good to add to old posts and in this case I had missed the post completely and knew nothing of the subject. Some of the images are not now available so if you are round that way again could you upload a few please, including a wider view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 5 April 2009 at 20:11, RichardB said: The hunt is on then ... Eyewitness details, dates, names ... Burial records ? War records for Bayer ? I did a piece on this very subject for the Star , I found just where the scribe lived and what his job was, took me around an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJ-OK Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 16 hours ago, boginspro said: Surely no apology needed, I think it's good to add to old posts and in this case I had missed the post completely and knew nothing of the subject. Some of the images are not now available so if you are round that way again could you upload a few please, including a wider view. Thanks. I have added a couple more images as requested showing where it is (right next to Phlegm's latest) and a shot of the inscribed block. 6 hours ago, tozzin said: I did a piece on this very subject for the Star , I found just where the scribe lived and what his job was, took me around an hour. This sounds interesting. Is your still available to read at all (online etc)? Did you confirm what was noted in the forum posts above or did you find something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I searched through directories to find the information and I don't think it's online, I'll see if I have saved it. I can't believe that the horrible graffiti has been allowed to creep onto the quote in question, how anyone can consider it art is beyond me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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