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[RichardB]

I would like to know everyting about :

Robert Moss, joiner, builder and sometime undertaker of Balm Green who lived at 16 Monmouth Street (currently known from 1893 - 1919 at this address - suspect he was living there much later).

I'd like everything please, with fries and extra pickles and several pints of dodgy Indian lager.

Maps of Balm Green and Monmouth Street, near Hanover Street ??, Census images from any/all years; any directory entries, what ageswas he ? family members, trade directory entries, adverts etc etc.

I'm not in any way related and I'll have to ask you to bear with me on this one - it will be worth it in the long run - probably about the time a fat bloke with a big white beard tries to squeeze down your non-existant chimney.

Thank you.

[syrup]

Ok here are the Census Results 1841 to 1911.

1841 Monmouth Street.

1851 Broomhall Street.

1861 Broomspring Lane.

1871 Victoria Street Court.

[syrup]

1881 16 Monmouth Street.

1891 16 Monmouth Street

1901 16 Monmouth Street

1911 16 Monmouth Street

[RichardB]

Thank you, Sheffield born is one major question I had, plus the age information.

[RichardB]

and I can confirm that is the signature of Robert Moss on the 1911 (I've always been a bit suspicious of such - but it's him alright - I have a signed "document" of his).

[RichardB]

PictureSheffield link http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y01403&pos=2&action=zoom

Balm Green from Division Street. Court No 4, left (note sign for Robert Moss, Joiner and Undertaker), Court No 2, right (behind wall)

Photograph shows Grand Hotel in process of building. Balm Green was behind Barkers Pool on site of City Hall. The sign of a joiner and undertaker shows the name R. Moss. Prior to this, Robert Moss, whose residence was at 16 Monmouth Street, owned the Wentworth Temperance Hotel in Holly Street, where the Grand Hotel later stood. Robert Moss had one son and a daughter. He had a lifelong connection with Bethel P.M. Chapel in Cambridge Street and was choir master and Sunday School Secretary for many years. At the Anniverary Services he often entertained the members of the voluntary instrumentalists who accompanied the singing, to dinner and tea between the services at the Wentworth Hotel, being near to the Chapel.

[RichardB]

Bethel Primitive Methodist Chapel, Cambridge Street, Harvest Festival Thanksgiving Service. Picture shows the original pulpit and font with choir seats. Pulpit afterwards replaced by a rostrum given and erected by Robert Moss in memory of his father.

http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s05007&pos=2&action=zoom

1893 Photographer J H Lygo

[RichardB]

Death 19th March 1924

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/32978/pages/7149/page.pdf

[SteveHB]

Monmouth Street.

Low numbers; from Broomhall Street (east end), even numbers at top (north side).

Link to 1950's

1903.

Only a short section of Monmouth Street exists today,

Flash Earth

[SteveHB]

Balm Green, 1890.

[SteveHB]

16 Monmouth Street, 1890.

[syrup]

Bethel Primitive Methodist Chapel, Cambridge Street, Harvest Festival Thanksgiving Service. Picture shows the original pulpit and font with choir seats. Pulpit afterwards replaced by a rostrum given and erected by Robert Moss in memory of his father.

http://www.picturesh...s=2&action=zoom

1893 Photographer J H Lygo

Robert Moss Junior.

The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent (Sheffield, England), Saturday, October 14, 1899;

[RichardB]

Nive work, Thank you - I'll include you in the early updates.

Robert Moss Junior.

The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent (Sheffield, England), Saturday, October 14, 1899;

[Ponytail]

Plan of the corner of Balm Green and Blind Lane, measures taken in Balm Green to fix the line of Division Street where it will pass through the Towns' property; sketch showing the street after the demolition of the old Town property, [1792], 18.

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc04094&pos=301&action=zoom&id=103509

Three plans pasted together.

Shows Division Street, Coalpit Lane, Blind Lane and Balm Green.

Tenants / owners marked: Thomas Sayles, Thomas Bennett, John Smith, Edward Brownell, Edward Harrison, Thomas Bennett, Sarah Potter, John Beavans, Timothy Millington, late Sephton, now Thomas Marshall.

 

An outline of the land between Barker's Pool and Church Street, with Brelsforth's Orchards coloured green, 1804. 

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc04039&pos=123&action=zoom&id=103300

Leopold Street, Balm Green, Orchard Lane and Fargate shown (but not labelled).

Refers to S. A. Younge, furnace, James Creswick, Jonathan Moor, Malin Gillott and others, Allen and White, Richard Ibberson, Edward Brownell, Christopher Oates, Edward Adamson, Thomas Maxfield and others, Thomas Sayles's freehold, Thomas Bennett, John Smith, Town Land, John Brookes, Sarah Potter, Barkers Pool, John Lindley's freehold, Duke of Norfolk - given in exchange to the To-- [Josep Holland?], George Woollen, William Pavell, Samuel Younge, Rose, Charles Milner, John Jenning, - Webster, William Rowley and tenements and ground proposed to be taken by E? Brook [Brookes?].

 

Photographs Date Period:1900-1919

Cottages at Balm Green, site of City Hall, on the left are the furnaces of the Queen Steel Works belonging to John Lucas, iron and steel merchant on Holly Street. 1900.s00689

Balm Green, including F. Oldale and Co., joiner and undertaker, No 2 Balm Green. s13218

Fred Oldale (1878-1940) appears on censuses as journeyman joiner until the 1921 census when he is recorded as a joiner and undertaker in the employ of Robert Moss a joiner, builder and undertaker.

Robert Moss is listed in Whites 1901 directory at Balm Green as a joiner, builder and undertaker.

 

Balm Green from Holly Street. s19361

 

Artists Impression of the Cottages at Balm Green, site of City Hall. Entrance to Court No 4, left. Furnaces in the background belong to the Queen Steel Works belonging to John Lucas, iron and steel merchant on Holly Street. 1876.s13220   W. Topsham, Artist. 

 

Partly demolished row of buildings known as Pool Place, Barker's Pool (later the site of the City Hall). Former premises include New Music Hall Tavern, No 116, Barker's Pool, on corner. s00243

 

Shops on Barkers Pool known as Pool Place, prior to demolition in preparation for the War Memorial, note the 'Iron Man' Public lavatory. Holly Street, left. 1923.

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Barkers Pool, later site of City Hall, looking towards housing on Balm Green. Houses on right front Court No. 2. 1927.y01592

Balm Green from Division Street. Court No. 4 left (note sign for Robert Moss, joiner and undertaker), Court No 2, right (behind wall)y01403

Photograph shows Grand Hotel in process of building. Balm Green was behind Barkers Pool on site of City Hall. The sign of a joiner and undertaker shows the name R. Moss. Prior to this, Robert Moss, whose residence was at 16 Monmouth Street, owned the Wentworth Temperance Hotel in Holly Street, where the Grand Hotel later stood. Robert Moss had one son and a daughter. He had a lifelong connection with Bethel P.M. Chapel in Cambridge Street and was choir master and Sunday School Secretary for many years. At the Anniverary Services he often entertained the members of the voluntary instrumentalists who accompanied the singing, to dinner and tea between the services at the Wentworth Hotel, being near to the Chapel.

 

John Charles Pound (c.1833-1918), Superintendent of Fire Brigade, c.1870

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Pound was born in Sittingbourne in Kent c.1833. In the 1850s he was a fireman at Lambeth. He relocated to Sheffield c.1870. In the 1880s he was living at Balm Green with his wife and seven children. His first two children were born in Surrey – the remainder in Sheffield. During his time at Sheffield he applied to join Birmingham and Glasgow fire services but presumably was unsuccessful. He resigned from the Sheffield Fire Service in September 1895. He died on 25th October 1918 and was buried in the Sheffield General Cemetery.

 

Advertisement for W. H. Tyas, general tinsmith and sheet metal worker, Nos. 1-2 Balm Green. 1916.

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Image from Sheffield Telegraph Year Book 1916 (page 110) (Local Studies 032.74 S).