A Quite Difficult Question

[DaveH]

PM Duly sent.

Clearly vox knows the answer to this one.

All I know about the Sheffield Outrages in 1860 is that there was a play about them called "The stirrings in Sheffield on a Saturday night".

When our school, Norfolk School, Arbourthorne, a school with a bit of a rough reputation, decided to do this play our interpretation of it was little more than an unscripted punch up lol

[syrup]

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[RichardB]

Not sure how difficult this is, but here goes ...

During The Sheffield Outrages of the 1860's people were threatened with "Rattening" whereby drive belts and the suchlike were removed until they paid their Union its dues (this prevented them from working). It was said "Mary Ann" had done the deed, so, who was "Mary Ann" of Rattening fame please ?

(Usual "experts" please PM me, see if any newer Members can get this one)

Two PM's so far, both correctly identifying Broadhead and what his place is in SheffieldHistory, neither of which identify "Mary Ann" - the speech marks might be a clue. "Mary Ann" was a person(s) of the female variety. There may be another clues within that last sentence.

[DaveH]

Clearly vox knows the answer to this one.

All I know about the Sheffield Outrages in 1860 is that there was a play about them called "The stirrings in Sheffield on a Saturday night".

When our school, Norfolk School, Arbourthorne, a school with a bit of a rough reputation, decided to do this play our interpretation of it was little more than an unscripted punch up

So was "Mary Ann" that girl in our class who could swing a killer left hook? lol

[RichardB]

So was "Mary Ann" that girl in our class who could swing a killer left hook?

You could never have met "Mary Ann" in your school, whatever the year you attended ... female, however, yes ...

[RichardB]

Not sure how difficult this is, but here goes ...

During The Sheffield Outrages of the 1860's people were threatened with "Rattening" whereby drive belts and the suchlike were removed until they paid their Union its dues (this prevented them from working). It was said "Mary Ann" had done the deed, so, who was "Mary Ann" of Rattening fame please ?

(Usual "experts" please PM me, see if any newer Members can get this one)

Syrup and Vox are having a go - here's what I've given them :

Definately female (human)

No, you could not have gone to School with "Mary Ann" no matter when you were born

"Mary Ann" in quotes, not Mary Anne (note the final letter)

[This is an assumption on my part, I do NOT have hard, historical fact, just what I consider reasonably strong evidence; from a readily available source - though it does cost you to access, if that helps].

[RichardB]

Not sure how difficult this is, but here goes ...

During The Sheffield Outrages of the 1860's people were threatened with "Rattening" whereby drive belts and the suchlike were removed until they paid their Union its dues (this prevented them from working). It was said "Mary Ann" had done the deed, so, who was "Mary Ann" of Rattening fame please ?

(Usual "experts" please PM me, see if any newer Members can get this one)

Syrup has supplied an answer better than mine but we still can't locate the actual "Mary Ann".

[SteveHB]

Syrup has supplied an answer better than mine but we still can't locate the actual "Mary Ann".

Mary Ann was a bloke .. ;-)

[RichardB]

Mary Ann was a bloke ..

The entity "Mary Ann" was indeed a bloke by most reasoning, but why Mary and Ann ?

(Put us out of our misery and look William up on 1861 census)

[DaveH]

The entity "Mary Ann" was indeed a bloke by most reasoning, but why Mary and Ann ?

(Put us out of our misery and look William up on 1861 census)

First you tell us that Mary ann was definately female (human)

Then you tell us that Mary Ann was indeed a bloke

What sort of a clue is that

Unless you can't tell the difference between a female and a bloke Richard

Mary ann wasn't a bloke wearing a taffeta gown and looking like a fairy was it <_<

[RichardB]

First you tell us that Mary ann was definately female (human)

Then you tell us that Mary Ann was indeed a bloke

What sort of a clue is that

Unless you can't tell the difference between a female and a bloke Richard

Mary ann wasn't a bloke wearing a taffeta gown and looking like a fairy was it

"Mary Ann" was a composite. Quotes and Ann not Anne ... go figure :blink:

[SteveHB]

"Mary Ann" was a composite. Quotes and Ann not Anne ... go figure

Mary & Co ..

[RichardB]

Mary & Co ..

Mary was a real female, so was Ann, "Mary Ann" never existed.

[vox]

Paying money to someone called Mary for an illegitimate child called Ann? or Vice-versa

[SteveHB]

Paying money to someone called Mary for an illegitimate child called Ann? or Vice-versa

Ever heard the saying "It's a Right Mary Ann" ?

I have and maybe some of our more mature members will have.

[RichardB]

Paying money to someone called Mary for an illegitimate child called Ann? or Vice-versa

Much simpler and much closer to home ...

1861 census holds my answer, I may be wrong ... but it looks good to me.

a Mary, an Ann ... not his wife or daughter ...

[RichardB]

Not sure how difficult this is, but here goes ...

During The Sheffield Outrages of the 1860's people were threatened with "Rattening" whereby drive belts and the suchlike were removed until they paid their Union its dues (this prevented them from working). It was said "Mary Ann" had done the deed, so, who was "Mary Ann" of Rattening fame please ?

(Usual "experts" please PM me, see if any newer Members can get this one)

Wife Mary, daughter Ann ...

[syrup]

As we still don't have a definitive answer as yet on this question

( Even though i think my PM to Richard was a good answer maybe not the right answer but )

I have found a couple of Poems relevant to a Mary Ann that i thought i would share sadly

i can no longer find the source to the site where i found them.

MARY ANN or ADVICE to a STREET-WALKER

It seems to me you’re far too pert,

Mary Ann,

With high society begirt,

A man like me you cannot hurt;

For you’re not sprung from hothouse dirt,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann,

It is a shame to walk the street,

Mary Ann,

Accosting every man you meet,

Mary Ann,

Resolve to tread the pave no more;

Take a room with your name upon the door.

There’s such a thing as a decent w----,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

To hide the odor of the tomb,

Mary Ann,

Sprinkle yourself with loud perfume,

Mary Ann,

Keep hidden in your private room

Some twenty pounds of Youthful Bloom:

“Twill cover wrinkles-postpone doom,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

MARY ANN,

When into furnished rooms you go,

Mary Ann,

Wear silk instead of calico,

Mary Ann,

And here’s another pretty plan :

There’s difference in the eyes of man,

‘Twixt Marianne and Mary Ann,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

The name upon your door should be

Marianne,

Although it sounds about the same,

It looks much better as a name,

Thin is the wall ‘twixt praise and blame,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

And when in public you appear,

Mary Ann,

Of low society keep clear,

Mary Ann,

Turn up your nose with haughty sneer

When old acquaintances draw near,

And for the “higher circles” steer,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

Drink sherry wine instead of beer,

Mary Ann,

And leave off chewing snuff, my dear

Mary Ann.

Above all things keep clean, I pray ;

Be sure to take a bath each day,

And you will handle better pay,

Mary Ann, my Mary Ann.

[RichardB]

Much simpler and much closer to home ...

1861 census holds my answer, I may be wrong ... but it looks good to me.

a Mary, an Ann ... not his wife or daughter ...

1861 Census, not his wife or daughter, but a combination of the two - Mary Jane was his wife, Ann was his daughter - an oblique was of refering to "The Man" by those in the know as to who was behind the evil doings.

[RichardB]

Which Pub had a tombstone in the "dram shop" (Central Sheffield) ?

Any more details gratefully received.

[RichardB]

Bassetts had travelling representatives, one of whom dropped a tray of samples, they were collected up for disposal but not before the customer placed an order for the assortment (the rest is history).

Name the man that dropped the tray in 1899 (he was with the company til his death in 1946 (not that it helps much).

[vox]

Bassetts had travelling representatives, one of whom dropped a tray of samples, they were collected up for disposal but not before the customer placed an order for the assortment (the rest is history).

Name the man that dropped the tray in 1899 (he was with the company til his death in 1946 (not that it helps much).

Answer PM'd :)

[RichardB]

Answer PM'd

Correct, Biggles, I thought that was a harder question than your early reply indicates.

[RichardB]

What were

"Walkley Bank Figs" ?

(1820's)

Just for fun

[vox]

Answer - I think - PM'd