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I found these on the 1881 census.

The White House Fred Short 22 Copper Street

The Trafalga Henry Warrington 105 Devonshire Street

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I found these on the 1881 census.

The White House Fred Short 22 Copper Street

White Horse, listed as 22 and also 34 Copper Street, Frederick Short known; one previous owner was William Broadhead in 1852 (could well be that William Broadhead)

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White Horse, listed as 22 and also 34 Copper Street, Frederick Short known; one previous owner was William Broadhead in 1852 (could well be that William Broadhead)

I can't see it on the list, shall we add?

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I found these on the 1881 census.

The Trafalga Henry Warrington 105 Devonshire Street

Could well be, I have nothing at 105 Devonshire Street and no-one at all on Pubs called Warrington, presuming it is Trafalgar and not fashionably abbreviated ! Personally, I'd accept a pat on the back and take that as a new one; might be worth checking the Beerhouse listings though first.

Question back for you Ukelele Lady :

The nearest match we have address-wise has two distinct entries, are they one and the same place after a rename ?

111 Devonshire Street - David and Goliath (1 keeper)

111 Devonshire Street - Rein Deer (16 keepers)

Thank you.

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I can't see it on the list, shall we add?

It is there already ...

Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:22 PM White Horse - posted by me.

34 Copper Street

Open 1822 Closed Span

1822 John Keighley

1825 Joseph Shirt

1828 Joseph Drayton

1829 Joseph Drayton

1834 Charles Greaves

1833 Thomas Dransfield

1837 C Greaves

1845 George Shepherd

1846 George Shepherd

1849 J Marsh

1854 Francis Otter

1862 W Brookes

1881 Frederick Short

1901 George Green

1905 George Henry Thompson

1911 Louis Cuneo

1919 Thomas Morgan

1925 Mrs Madalena Morgan

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Could well be, I have nothing at 105 Devonshire Street and no-one at all on Pubs called Warrington, presuming it is Trafalgar and not fashionably abbreviated ! Personally, I'd accept a pat on the back and take that as a new one; might be worth checking the Beerhouse listings though first.

Question back for you Ukelele Lady :

The nearest match we have address-wise has two distinct entries, are they one and the same place after a rename ?

111 Devonshire Street - David and Goliath (1 keeper)

111 Devonshire Street - Rein Deer (16 keepers)

Thank you.

I take it back Ukelele Lady, 105 Devonshire Street was a Cocoa/Coffee House, not a Pub ...

carries through Henry Warrington, Manager, Sheffield Cafe Co. Ltd., 105 Devonshire Street in 1893.

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I take it back Ukelele Lady, 105 Devonshire Street was a Cocoa/Coffee House, not a Pub ...

carries through Henry Warrington, Manager, Sheffield Cafe Co. Ltd., 105 Devonshire Street in 1893.

That sorts that then. lol

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It is there already ...

Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:22 PM White Horse - posted by me.

34 Copper Street

Open 1822 Closed Span

1911 Louis Cuneo

I take it back Ukelele Lady, 105 Devonshire Street was a Cocoa/Coffee House, not a Pub ...

carries through Henry Warrington, Manager, Sheffield Cafe Co. Ltd., 105 Devonshire Street in 1893.

I found these 2 posts very interesting.

I have mentioned several times in other topics my connection with Cuneo's ice cream.

The Cuneo family, nineteenth century Italian immigrants, had a lot of business interests around the City, not just Ice cream.

I notice in the first quote that "Old Man Cuneo" (Louis Cuneo, who came to England from Cuneo, via Genoa in the 1850's) is listed as running a pub on Copper Street. the Cuneos also had another place on Copper Street which was run as a gaming den or a snooker hall / billiard room, - or was it in fact this pub?

In the second quote a mistaken pub, which was actually a coffee house is given as 105 Division street. Interesting because the shop next door, 107 Division street, was owned by the Cuneo's and was their sweet shop and "Ice Cream Parlour", the first to have an ice cream soda machine and also used as a legalised gambling den because you played with tokens, not money, which could only be exchanged for sweets, ice cream and other stuff in the shop.

Without doing a "link fairy" bit both of these stories are in more detail elsewhere on this site.

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In the second quote a mistaken pub, which was actually a coffee house is given as 105 Division street. Interesting because the shop next door, 107 Division street, was owned by the Cuneo's and was their sweet shop and "Ice Cream Parlour", the first to have an ice cream soda machine and also used as a legalised gambling den because you played with tokens, not money, which could only be exchanged for sweets, ice cream and other stuff in the shop.

Without doing a "link fairy" bit both of these stories are in more detail elsewhere on this site.

Division Street or Devonshire Street ? Typo ?

Sebastian CROKAERT Pianoforte dealer 107 Devonshire Street (Kelly's 1893)

Louis CUNEO confectioner 107 Devonshire Street (White's 1911)

Louis CUNEO Confectioner 107 Devonshire Street (White's 1919)

Louis CUNEO Confectioner 107 Devonshire Street & 213 Gibraltar Street; h. 48 Copper Street (Kelly's 1925)

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Division Street or Devonshire Street ? Typo ?

Sebastian CROKAERT Pianoforte dealer 107 Devonshire Street (Kelly's 1893)

Louis CUNEO confectioner 107 Devonshire Street (White's 1911)

Louis CUNEO Confectioner 107 Devonshire Street (White's 1919)

Louis CUNEO Confectioner 107 Devonshire Street & 213 Gibraltar Street; h. 48 Copper Street (Kelly's 1925)

Thanks for the info there Richard.

It appears that in 1911 old man Cuneo was running BOTH a pub and an ice cream parlour then ;-)

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The Roebuck 21 Porter Street

I found this one in the White's 1833 book.

I can't find any mention of it elsewhere, the landlord is

Francis Hulley.

Where was Porter Street?

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The Roebuck 21 Porter Street

I found this one in the White's 1833 book.

I can't find any mention of it elsewhere, the landlord is

Francis Hulley.

Where was Porter Street?

Good question - where was it ? Do I think near Howard Street ??? quessing really, but my feeling is round there. Hulley/Hully known 1818-1829 Globe/Waterloo and Globe, 107 Porter Street (variations on House number, no surprise there then); 17 known keepers on my list - keep going Ukelele Lady; find a "new" old one and I'll buy you a pint !

You read the Pubs and People yet ?

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Good question - where was it ? Do I think near Howard Street ??? quessing really, but my feeling is round there. Hulley/Hully known 1818-1829 Globe/Waterloo and Globe, 107 Porter Street (variations on House number, no surprise there then); 17 known keepers on my list - keep going Ukelele Lady; find a "new" old one and I'll buy you a pint !

You read the Pubs and People yet ?

My other halfs reading it at the moment, I'm waiting for him to put it down.

I will take it on hols with me ,it's the only time I get to read.

So are you meaning the Roebuck is same as the Globe??

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So are you meaning the Roebuck is same as the Globe??

Nooo, think there was a Globe on Howard Street; not sure where Porter thingie is/was; certainly not the Roebuck.

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Nooo, think there was a Globe on Howard Street; not sure where Porter thingie is/was; certainly not the Roebuck.

So that's it then , you owe me a pint. lol :blink:

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Nooo, think there was a Globe on Howard Street; not sure where Porter thingie is/was; certainly not the Roebuck.

Porter Street is under the word MOOR on the map , off Matilda Street..

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As well as Francis Hulley being at the Roebuck in 1833 , 21 Porter Street

he is also down in 1834 as landlord of the Reindeer , 21 Porter Street

in 1834.

It seems they can't decide if it's Roebuck or Reindeer, wonder

what picture they had on the pib sign if any. :rolleyes:

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The Sportsman , Moor Lane, Wigtwizzle [Nr Bradfield]

1883 Thomas Hollins

1888 Mrs Mary Hollins

1893 Thomas Hollins

Added to the A to Z list.

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The Sportsman , Moor Lane, Wigtwizzle [Nr Bradfield]

1883 Thomas Hollins

1888 Mrs Mary Hollins

1893 Thomas Hollins

Added to the A to Z list.

Need a bigger map of the area, honestly can't picture the area at all.

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The Bell Hathersage

1879 George Froggatt [ Whites ]

The Bee Hive, Silver Street Head

1859 John Marsh [Melville ]

Not the same as Beeswing, 34 Hartshead, 1859 Charles Dawson.

White Horse , Blast Lane

1845 & 1849 W Milner [ Whites ]

Could this be the same as South Street ?

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Blade Makers Arms 193 Arundel Street [ Melville ]

1859 William Cooper

Blonk Street Tavern Blonk Street [ Melville ]

1859 James Bottam

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