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Sheffield Corporation Tramways - staff and uniforms

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My first posting - so here goes!

I run a website dedicated to British Tramway company uniform badges and buttons Click here!. Currently I'm trying hard to get a better understanding of the uniforms, cap badges and buttons worn by employees of Sheffield Corporation Tramways (and the early lessee company). I have photos of a few badges, as well as two distinct types of button, but would dearly like to add a full description of the uniforms. Right now I have many unanswered questions such as:

- What uniforms and badges, if any, were worn when the system was worked by the Sheffield Tramways Company?

- When was the blue enamel shield-shaped cap badge worn Click here!?

- What grades wore brass and what grades wore nickel buttons?

- Were the early buttons on my website really worn by tramways staff Click here!?

- What badges did higher grades such as Inspectors and Regulators wear?

If anyone has an information, particularly photos of staff members that they'd be willing to let me use on the website, I'd very much appreciate hearing from them.

Cheers, Ashley

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Hi all

My first posting - so here goes!

I run a website dedicated to British Tramway company uniform badges and buttons Click here!. Currently I'm trying hard to get a better understanding of the uniforms, cap badges and buttons worn by employees of Sheffield Corporation Tramways (and the early lessee company). I have photos of a few badges, as well as two distinct types of button, but would dearly like to add a full description of the uniforms. Right now I have many unanswered questions such as:

- What uniforms and badges, if any, were worn when the system was worked by the Sheffield Tramways Company?

- When was the blue enamel shield-shaped cap badge worn Click here!?

- What grades wore brass and what grades wore nickel buttons?

- Were the early buttons on my website really worn by tramways staff Click here!?

- What badges did higher grades such as Inspectors and Regulators wear?

If anyone has an information, particularly photos of staff members that they'd be willing to let me use on the website, I'd very much appreciate hearing from them.

Cheers, Ashley

Welcome to the site Whaley Ash, I hope our Transport people can help you out, transport is not an area where I have any expertise, but I wish you well - please keep us posted.

I like the website by the way; information presented without undue fuss.

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Welcome to the site Whaley Ash, I hope our Transport people can help you out, transport is not an area where I have any expertise, but I wish you well - please keep us posted.

I like the website by the way; information presented without undue fuss.

I've just realised that I've probably posted it in the wrong place - I'll try to repost in the Transport area!

Thanks for the compliment - always appreciated, and good to know that others do see it as easy to use and uncluttered, which was most definitely my intention!

Cheers, Ashley

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I've just realised that I've probably posted it in the wrong place - I'll try to repost in the Transport area!

Thanks for the compliment - always appreciated, and good to know that others do see it as easy to use and uncluttered, which was most definitely my intention!

Cheers, Ashley

Topic moved over,

Steve

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Hi Ashley and welcome.

I have this photo of my grandfather that was taken around mid 1940 I think,

not sure if he was a driver or conductor on Sheffield trams.

This image is reduced in size for display on here,

but if it's of any use to you send me a PM and I will forward a high resolution image.

Steve

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Sheffield Tram Conducteress, Nell & Cousin Nell Longhorne, 1914-1918.

Nell & Miss Dalby, in uniform.

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Hi all

 

I've totally revamped my Sheffield Corporation Tramways uniform/staff page. Please feel free to take a look and advise of any errors/omissions. Also, if anyone has any decent photos that would improve the page, please do let me know.

http://www.tramwaybadgesandbuttons.com/page148/page152/page157/page157.html

Ashley (High Peak)

 

 

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Just to say, I gave Ashley permission to use the image(s) displayed in my post (#6)

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Women wearing trousers on the tramway was not as unusual as you might think. I think they actually wore cullottes (if that's how you spell it!) which looked like a skirt but were actually made like trousers. I think (but I'm not sure) taht these came in around the time of WW2 when a lot of women were recruited by the transport department, both as 'motormen' and conductresses.

The cap babdges are interesting as the chrome one which was used up until the 60s just appears to be a plated version of the previous brass one. My guess is that crews didn't polish the brass ones enough to give the correct and proper appearance, so they swapped to something that didn't need to be polished every day. This would also have matched the uniform silver buttons, some of which I have somewhere.

From memory I think you'll find buttons that say Sheffield Corporation TRAMWAYS on them and also others that say Sheffield Corporation TRANSPORT, from the days when staff were not necessarily working on trams any more.

The blue badge is probably a motorman's badge, which would show their company staff number. It's a pre-cursor to the plastic PSV driver and conductor badges that platform staff on buses wore in the 60s and 70s. Unlike motor vehicles, tram driving licences are issued by the company, not the DVLA. So drivers licences (and sometimes conductor licences for undertakings that bothered with them) are different from town to town and not interchangable. For example if you drove a tram in Sheffield you couldn't just go and be a tram driver in Blackpool without retraining and getting a Blackpool licence. Incidentally, it's only within the last 20 years that you need a car licence to be able to learn to drive a tram! I know lots of old tram drivers who could never drive a road vehicle.

Finally, I'd just like to mention the Bell Punch ticket machines in many of the photos on Ashley's site. These were common ticket machines of the era but, unlike the competing Williamson machines, were 'handed' because of the way you pressed the lever. Few of these survive now because they were often scrapped due to them having a high silver content. Left handed versions, which would confusingly be worn resting against your right pocket and be operated with your right hand, do exist and are extremely rare. The tickets were different colours because when the machine punched a hole in the ticket, the little dot they cut out was retained inside. At the end of the day some poor soul had the job of emptying the machine and counting the confetti. If the total of the numbered tickets sold didn't match the bits from the machine then the depot inspectors knew the conductor had been on the fiddle!

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I was a bus conductor in Sheffield over 40 years ago and for a while worked with a driver everyone new as Silver, I can not remember his real name or number. He had been a tram driver during the war and told me some great stories. He was said to have lost more trams to enemy action than anyone else. I remember he said in one raid, (possible the Sheffield Blitz,) he had abandoned a tram in High Street and made for the shelters and on his return all he could find were the bogies. I wonder if anyone remembers Silver and his real name, the nickname Silver was probably because of his silver hair.

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