SteveHB Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Posted at the request of RichardB, these are the original maps taken from Wilf Banks 'A Pub on Every Corner' There are thirty one maps in total, all comments are welcome. One thing Richard forgot to mention was the date of publication, anybody got any ideas? Town Centre 01.pdf West St/Division St 02.pdf Broad Ln/ Brook Hill 03.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 According to Sheffield Library catalogue it was 1988. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 According to Sheffield Library catalogue it was 1988. Thanks Gramps. Not sure as to how accurate these maps are, I have noticed on a couple that some of the pubs seem to be marked on the wrong part of the street/road. Fitzwilliam St/The Moor. 04.pdf Campo Ln/Tenter St. 05.pdf Solly St/West Bar. 06.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Meadow St/Shalesmoor. 07.pdf Corporation St/West Bar. 08.pdf Fargate/High St. 09.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Meadow St/Shalesmoor. 07.pdf Corporation St/West Bar. 08.pdf Fargate/High St. 09.pdf According to all the research I've done on Cross Smithfield through books ,census forms , wills and maps etc the odd numbers like 29 was on the opposite side of the road to what is suggested. The building at the end of Cross Smithfield which still stands today [renovated] is number 32/30 some Studio. You can find this on Google Street Map and the very same building is on Picture Library although it had an arch in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 According to all the research I've done on Cross Smithfield through books ,census forms , wills and maps etc the odd numbers like 29 was on the opposite side of the road to what is suggested. The building at the end of Cross Smithfield which still stands today [renovated] is number 32/30 some Studio. You can find this on Google Street Map and the very same building is on Picture Library although it had an arch in the past. Thanks UKL, it shows that the maps aren't 100% accurate here are the links you mention, I think I've got them right .. ? Google SV. 30 Cross Smithfield (the building on the right with the shutter down) picturesheffield s14782 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Steve, I think what you need to know is what date range is covered by the maps, ie earliest and latest dates. For instance on the 1850 OS map on Pond street only three pubs are shown between Pond Hill and Harmer lane - the Royal Oak, the Grapes and the Barrel. These are about where they're shown on your pdf map but the OS map has no property numbers. On Pond hill I only have the Black Swan and the Horse and Jockey. I don't believe the Queen's Head was opened as a pub until 1853/4. I suspect the pubs on your pdf maps have been put there on the strength of their appearance in street directories, perhaps over a span of fifty years or more. Pubs come and go - time waits for no man he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 Steve, I think what you need to know is what date range is covered by the maps, ie earliest and latest dates. For instance on the 1850 OS map on Pond street only three pubs are shown between Pond Hill and Harmer lane - the Royal Oak, the Grapes and the Barrel. These are about where they're shown on your pdf map but the OS map has no property numbers. On Pond hill I only have the Black Swan and the Horse and Jockey. I don't believe the Queen's Head was opened as a pub until 1853/4. I suspect the pubs on your pdf maps have been put there on the strength of their appearance in street directories, perhaps over a span of fifty years or more. Pubs come and go - time waits for no man I wouldn't know where to start Gramps .. Here are some more to ponder on. Barkers Pool/The Moor 10.pdf The Moor 11.pdf Pond St/Shoreham St 12.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hmmm...back burner I think until we know what is the object of the excersize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Thanks UKL, it shows that the maps aren't 100% accurate here are the links you mention, I think I've got them right .. ? Google SV. 30 Cross Smithfield (the building on the right with the shutter down) picturesheffield They're the ones, would make a then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Duke St/South St. 13.pdf Duke St/Broad St. 13a.pdf Haymarket/Wicker. 14.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Banks (upside down) Haymarket/Wicker map, and a side by side comparison with our 1954 OS map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 More .. inc: Attercliffe. Wicker to Exchange St. 15.pdf Savile St/Sutherland Rd. 16.pdf Savile St, East/Attercliffe Common. 17.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Steve, I think what you need to know is what date range is covered by the maps, ie earliest and latest dates. For instance on the 1850 OS map on Pond street only three pubs are shown between Pond Hill and Harmer lane - the Royal Oak, the Grapes and the Barrel. These are about where they're shown on your pdf map but the OS map has no property numbers. On Pond hill I only have the Black Swan and the Horse and Jockey. I don't believe the Queen's Head was opened as a pub until 1853/4. I suspect the pubs on your pdf maps have been put there on the strength of their appearance in street directories, perhaps over a span of fifty years or more. Pubs come and go - time waits for no man There is no date range mentioned with the maps, no start and end date at all. Posted just out of interest, to see if we've missed any, to see if any are glaringly incorrect/ to identify possible duplicates/pubs that have been re-named and we haven't noticed it so far. Maybe to transpose the best information we have onto a (mutually agreed) old Sheffield map - see if we can do better than the originals. Holiday going fine, may return a day early; I'm really suffering with the heat - I was promised rain, drizzle and midgies - all we've had is heat too extreme for a fat blokie like me that really doesn't do "Sun" - all this up on a level with Inverness, Scotlandshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Carlisle St/Grimesthorpe Rd. 18.pdf Sussex St/Saville St. 19.pdf Nottingham St. 20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 London Rd/Bramall Ln. 21.pdf Corporation St/Ball St. 22.pdf Upper Allen St/Addy St. 23.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Bulls Head Cross Smithfield I believe the Bulls Head is about the right place as marked but I think the number was 24. Take a look at these 1851 census forms, my family lived at number 22 Cross Smithfield then came the Bulls Head with Elijah Eyre as beerhouse keeper then number 26 my family again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 London Rd/Bramall Ln. 21.pdf Corporation St/Ball St. 22.pdf Upper Allen St/Addy St. 23.pdf In Lamb's book on pub the Alexander on Dover street is marked number 23 in the middle of the block which is quite right as I use to live there but it was never a pub. Banks's book shows it on the corner which makes it number 13 where my old play mate lived. You will see what I mean with these pictures from Sheffield Library Pictures. Link to picturesheffield Link to picturesheffield02 number 13 Dover St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Bulls Head Cross Smithfield I believe the Bulls Head is about the right place as marked but I think the number was 24. Take a look at these 1851 census forms, my family lived at number 22 Cross Smithfield then came the Bulls Head with Elijah Eyre as beerhouse keeper then number 26 my family again. Thanks UKL, a link to the Bulls Head in the main index. I will let Richard make the amendments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 In Lamb's book on pub the Alexander on Dover street is marked number 23 in the middle of the block which is quite right as I use to live there but it was never a pub. Banks's book shows it on the corner which makes it number 13 where my old play mate lived. You will see what I mean with these pictures from Sheffield Library Pictures. Link to picturesheffield Link to picturesheffield02 #13 Dover St. A little confusing as we have the Alexander down as number 31 link here Number 13 on the corner of Ellison St, looks to be right ukelele lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Neepsend Ln/Infirmary Rd 24.pdf Bradfield Rd/Langset Rd 25.pdf Penistone Rd/Shalesmoor 26.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 Attercliffe/Worksop Rd/Darnall. 27.pdf South Rd,Walkley. 28.pdf Crookes. 29.pdf London Rd/Gleadless Rd, Heeley. 30.pdf That's um all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 Map #30 shows the Waggon & Horses on Gleadless Rd. The address is correct (236) but it's markd in the wrong location, the Waggon stands and has always stood on the corner of Kent Rd/Gleadless Rd. The 'Newfield Inn' also stood on a corner (Denmark Rd/Penns Rd.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 A little confusing as we have the Alexander down as number 31 link here Number 13 on the corner of Ellison St, looks to be right ukelele lady. I think the 31 was a typing error. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Neepsend Ln/Infirmary Rd 24.pdf Bradfield Rd/Langset Rd 25.pdf Penistone Rd/Shalesmoor 26.pdf W. Banks map of Mongomery Terrace road doesn't make it clear which side of the road is number16 but I can assure you the even numbers are on the right hand side where I use to live, looking up towards the Infirmary. Unlike D. Lambs book which suggests Montgomery hotel was number 1 in the middle of the block on that side. There doesn't seem to be any mention of a Montgomery Hotel in the directories in the City Library but in 1876 to 1883 a Harriett Hawthorne had a beer house at number 16 also in 1917 Walter Wostenholm had beerhouse at 14/16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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