Guest Gramps Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Plans as requested. The 1890 map identifies the properties by name, and they're easy enough to identify on the 1850s map. The house called West Grove was lost to development. There was also a Grove House further up Pitsmoor road on the left but I don't have a large scale map for it. Do you have names and dates for occupants of these two properties ? Sorry about the fuzziness, - the maps were in acetate covers which seems to interfere with the focus on my camera. 1890 Plan 1850 Plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Plans as requested. The 1890 map identifies the properties by name, and they're easy enough to identify on the 1850s map. The house called West Grove was lost to development. There was also a Grove House further up Pitsmoor road on the left but I don't have a large scale map for it. Do you have names and dates for occupants of these two properties ? Sorry about the fuzziness, - the maps were in acetate covers which seems to interfere with the focus on my camera. 1890 Plan 1850 Plan Many thanks Gramps - Collected a couple of grand tomb photos in Pitsmoor Churchyard - good to see where they lived. Anyone any further information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Many thanks Gramps - Collected a couple of grand tomb photos in Pitsmoor Churchyard - good to see where they lived. Anyone any further information Edward Hobson, merchant of Snig Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Here are a few 'bits' Edward and Hannah Hobson are shown at Pye Bank in the 1841 census, along with their children - Henry, Caroline, John, George, and Eliza. In 1851 Edward is aged 51 and Hannah 52. George (20) and Caroline (19) are at home on the night of the census. From the directories we have 1825 Edward - 'razor manufacturer and dealer in all kinds of hardware' at 18 Snig Hill 1828/9 Edward - 'hardwaremen and razor manufacturers' at 18 Snig Hill 1833 Edward - 'cutlery manufacturer and hardware dealer' at 18 Snig Hill 1841 Edward - 'wholesale dealer. in Sheffield goods' at 67 Snig Hill 1846 Edward - 'pen and pocket knife, razor and scissor manufacturers' at 67 Snig Hill 1846 Edward - 'hardwaremen' at 68 Snig Hill 1849 Edward - 'cutlery dealer and merchant' at 68 Snig Hill, house at Tower Hill 1852 Edward - 'cutlery dealer and merchant' at 68 Snig Hill, house Pye Bank The George named in the first MI is probably the son who was 20 years old in 1851 but I haven't looked for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Thank you Gramps Here are a few 'bits' Edward and Hannah Hobson are shown at Pye Bank in the 1841 census, along with their children - Henry, Caroline, John, George, and Eliza. In 1851 Edward is aged 51 and Hannah 52. George (20) and Caroline (19) are at home on the night of the census. From the directories we have 1825 Edward - 'razor manufacturer and dealer in all kinds of hardware' at 18 Snig Hill 1828/9 Edward - 'hardwaremen and razor manufacturers' at 18 Snig Hill 1833 Edward - 'cutlery manufacturer and hardware dealer' at 18 Snig Hill 1841 Edward - 'wholesale dealer. in Sheffield goods' at 67 Snig Hill 1846 Edward - 'pen and pocket knife, razor and scissor manufacturers' at 67 Snig Hill 1846 Edward - 'hardwaremen' at 68 Snig Hill 1849 Edward - 'cutlery dealer and merchant' at 68 Snig Hill, house at Tower Hill 1852 Edward - 'cutlery dealer and merchant' at 68 Snig Hill, house Pye Bank The George named in the first MI is probably the son who was 20 years old in 1851 but I haven't looked for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skeets Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Thank you Gramps HI Dunbyowl The epitaph on the first tombstone is the strangest one l have ever seen . skeets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hello Grove Lodge and Cottage for Dunsbyowl, I have just registered with this site. AND, EDWARD AND HANNAH HOBSON are my GGGGrandparents! Could you tell me if you are related and how? This is so exciting, I have yet to touch base via internet with anyone related to the HOBSONS. I look forward to your email to me. Thanks very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hello Grove Lodge and Cottage for Dunsbyowl, I have just registered with this site. AND, EDWARD AND HANNAH HOBSON are my GGGGrandparents! Could you tell me if you are related and how? This is so exciting, I have yet to touch base via internet with anyone related to the HOBSONS. I look forward to your email to me. Thanks very much. Sorry Karin I am not related - I just thought they were intersting gravestones. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hello Grove Lodge and Cottage for Dunsbyowl, I have just registered with this site. AND, EDWARD AND HANNAH HOBSON are my GGGGrandparents! Could you tell me if you are related and how? This is so exciting, I have yet to touch base via internet with anyone related to the HOBSONS. I look forward to your email to me. Thanks very much. Hi Karin, Welcome to Sheffield History. I looked a little further into this Hobson family - just info available via Sheffield Records OnLine. http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/ It seems the business went to John Barber Hobson, who is listed as a Cutlery Dealer at 67 Snig hill in 1857 and just round the corner at 3 King street in 1893, house at 244 Fulwood Lane. This could be John the son of Edward aged 13 in the 1841 census and suggests that Edward's wife Hannah's maiden name was Barber. There were quite a number of Barber families in the cutlery business in Sheffield at that time. In 1861 the census returns show an age agreement with the 13 year old John of 1841. John Barber HOBSON 33 head YKS Sheffield M A HOBSON 33 wife YKS Denby M A HOBSON 5 daughter YKS Sheffield J B HOBSON 2 son YKS Sheffield To find people related to you and your Edward You might like to browse through the ENG-SHEFFIELD-L mailing list archives here ... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/i.../ENG-SHEFFIELD/ I'm sure I've seen references to Sheffield Hobsons when digging around in these exchanges looking for something else. I'd say your chances of finding someone with the same ancestor are pretty good. At least you now have photos of the family tomb thanks to Dunsbyowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Plans as requested. The 1890 map identifies the properties by name, and they're easy enough to identify on the 1850s map. The house called West Grove was lost to development. There was also a Grove House further up Pitsmoor road on the left but I don't have a large scale map for it. Do you have names and dates for occupants of these two properties ? Sorry about the fuzziness, - the maps were in acetate covers which seems to interfere with the focus on my camera. 1890 Plan 1850 Plan Hello Gramps, Here is an ad for Edward Hobson of Grove Cottage, Pye Bank. Would you have a map for either location or a picture? Karin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Many thanks Gramps - Collected a couple of grand tomb photos in Pitsmoor Churchyard - good to see where they lived. Anyone any further information George Hobson is one of three sons of Edward Hobson. The other two are John Barber Hobson m. Dec 25, 1852 Mary Ann nee Field Dyson and Henry (The Elder) Hobson b.1823 who m. Ann nee Pearce. Henry (The Elder) Hobson was buried at Highgate with his wife Ann, son Alfred, and youngest daug. Marian. I am directly related to Edward Hobson thru Henry S. (The Younger) Hobson and Warwick Theodore Hobson, my father's Dad. Glad to see I was able to upload the Edward Hobson ad! Karin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hello Gramps, Here is an ad for Edward Hobson of Grove Cottage, Pye Bank. Would you have a map for either location or a picture? Karin The houses have long gone, but would have been about where the black cross is on this Google map... http://www.earthtool...4...p;t=7&m=Map ..about twenty minutes walk from Snig Hill, across the river by way of the old iron footbridge. On this Google map Snig Hill is just to the left of Castlegate. There are several pictures of old Snig Hill but none of the houses on Pye Bank, - these are from Picture Sheffield. picturesheffield s13052 picturesheffield s13053 picturesheffield s19525 picturesheffield s19526 picturesheffield s19536 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hi Karin & Gramps I found this painting by A Wilson from 1895 - no 68 can just be seen on the right. Looks like it had become a furniture shop by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hi Karin & Gramps I found this painting by A Wilson from 1895 - no 68 can just be seen on the right. Looks like it had become a furniture shop by then. In 1834 Pigot & Co Directory Edward Hobson is recorded as dealing from No 18 Snig Hill as Pen & pocket knife manufacturer Razor manufacturer Scissor manufacturer Table Kinfe manufacturer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hi Karin & Gramps I found this painting by A Wilson from 1895 - no 68 can just be seen on the right. Looks like it had become a furniture shop by then. Good find - the business had moved to 3 King Street by 1893 http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=38146 ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Good find - the business had moved to 3 King Street by 1893 http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=38146 Looking at that trade advert I think this photo shows the business on the extreme right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gramps Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Looking at that trade advert I think this photo shows the business on the extreme right. Definitely I would say. The first-floor windows are typical of a cutler's workshop and the business was in manufacturing as well as merchanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Definitely I would say. The first-floor windows are typical of a cutler's workshop and the business was in manufacturing as well as merchanting. Hello Gramps and Dunsbyowl, What a lovely surprise!! Thank you for the photos. It sure is nice to put a pic to an address. You both have been working hard while I was sleeping. Karin lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hello Gramps and Dunsbyowl, What a lovely surprise!! Thank you for the photos. It sure is nice to put a pic to an address. You both have been working hard while I was sleeping. Karin Hi Karin - these are less of a lovely surprise though I imagine you will be interested to see them. Already posted on the site under a 'Victorian Suicides' thread. http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&id=8643 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hi Karin - these are less of a lovely surprise though I imagine you will be interested to see them. Already posted on the site under a 'Victorian Suicides' thread. http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&id=8643 Sorry the date April 1858 http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&id=8642 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hi Karin - these are less of a lovely surprise though I imagine you will be interested to see them. Already posted on the site under a 'Victorian Suicides' thread. http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&id=8643 Thank you Dunsbyowl! I do have an article from a very long time ago, but this one provides a little more on the circumstances. It is indeed a sad story..a tragic love story. I do appreciate you finding this. Could you please tell me how you got to the "thread"? Just trying to understand a little more on how to use the search application. Karin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Thank you Dunsbyowl! I do have an article from a very long time ago, but this one provides a little more on the circumstances. It is indeed a sad story..a tragic love story. I do appreciate you finding this. Could you please tell me how you got to the "thread"? Just trying to understand a little more on how to use the search application. Karin Hi Karin, Click on the search option top right & ener subject ie suicides - it may give you a message it can't find anything - keep entering it until th results display best wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi Karin, Click on the search option top right & ener subject ie suicides - it may give you a message it can't find anything - keep entering it until th results display best wishes Karin it looks as though the Greaves Hotels was just the venue for the inquest rather than the place Edward committed suicide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karin Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Karin it looks as though the Greaves Hotels was just the venue for the inquest rather than the place Edward committed suicide! I apologize...not really familiar with the roads. Please do not assume me pushy, but I have tried everywhere to find the Greaves Hotel, in a way the name seems most appropriate doesn't it, but cannot. Am I mistaken that there is no actual hotel but it is the name of group of hotels? Upon your response, I promise not to push the issue. You have been so patient with this newcomer. Respectfully yours. Karin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I apologize...not really familiar with the roads. Please do not assume me pushy, but I have tried everywhere to find the Greaves Hotel, in a way the name seems most appropriate doesn't it, but cannot. Am I mistaken that there is no actual hotel but it is the name of group of hotels? Upon your response, I promise not to push the issue. You have been so patient with this newcomer. Respectfully yours. Karin Follow this link to the pubs section! http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...?showtopic=6102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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