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Just checked the 50's OS map for the area, not sure I know what was behind the wall now, Steve will know I'm sure

Why?

Was Steve behind the wall?

Peering out through that window?

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It could be a chute as Tozzin suggests, I had not thought about that, or would a coal chute have been lower?

I too think it was a "Coal Ole".

Coal chutes were only at ground level when the celler was located below ground level. Many houses were built high up with a cellar at ground level under a small forecourt in front of the terrace. In this case the coal chute would be four or five feet above the pavement. Otherwise the coal man would be trying to shovel coal up-hill through the hole.

HD

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These COAL CELLAR CHUTES are on Gleadless Rd at Heeley. The lower one with the dark green wall has had a Window put in to give extra light in the cellar. This clearly shows NOT all coal chutes were on the pavement.

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So it looks like we have a Coal Chute

but where?

But look at the door at the side of it.

That coal shute is half way up the height of the door.

While I take hilldwellers and tozzins point about the chute not having to be at ground level if the cellar itself was not fully below ground level, in this picture the door bottom is on a level with the street, so the internal floor would be at ground level at that point and the cellar would have to be below ground level. Perhaps the chute just lead into a coal bunker in the house, above ground level enabling the bunker to be refilled without the coal man having to have access to the house itself.

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But look at the door at the side of it.

That coal shute is half way up the height of the door.

While I take hilldwellers and tozzins point about the chute not having to be at ground level if the cellar itself was not fully below ground level, in this picture the door bottom is on a level with the street, so the internal floor would be at ground level at that point and the cellar would have to be below ground level. Perhaps the chute just lead into a coal bunker in the house, above ground level enabling the bunker to be refilled without the coal man having to have access to the house itself.

Then again, if it was a school (not many schools have a door like that) it would just drop into the school yard on the other side, probably close to the boiler room building.

Many old schools, including ours, had piles of coal lying around ready for use just in the yard or up against the building wall.

I remember showing the film "Kes" to a group of kids a year or so ago.

We watched the scene where there was a fight at school and the 2 lads ended up scrapping on a heap of coal before a teacher broke them up.

One lad asked me after "what was that pile of black stones in the playground? Why were they put there?"

How times have changed!

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My sister attended the school after the war, about 1950.

Thats why I knew you would know the location

Anybody else any idea

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Thats why I knew you would know the location

Anybody else any idea

I did not know Stuart, I had to search for the doorway on Google street view,

only to find that your view was not visible, but inside the wall (the other side) is.

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Did the school grounds extend as far as there

the 1950's OS map suggests not, there may have been another building in the triangle of land

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Thats why I knew you would know the location

Anybody else any idea

As I know the area where you both lived I take it the school is the one on Duchess Road

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As I know the area where you both lived I take it the school is the one on Duchess Road

Actually No

But I think you have the correct school Dave

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Actually No

But I think you have the correct school Dave

What sort of a reply is that?

Actually No implies that I am wrong

But in the very next sentence I am correct :blink:

I don't see that for such a simple yes / no question I can be both right and wrong at the same time.

I'm confused now.

Do you mean it is the school on Duchess Road (correct school)

But that the window / hatch / chute is not itself on Duchess Road (wrong location for the picture mystery window).

As far as I know the school was called Duchess Road school, but obviously this was one of 3 or 4 streets which bordered the site.

A bit like Norfolk being on Cradock Road, Brimmersfield Road, Spring Lane and City Road. Right school, wrong street.

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What sort of a reply is that?

Actually No implies that I am wrong

But in the very next sentence I am correct :blink:

I don't see that for such a simple yes / no question I can be both right and wrong at the same time.

I'm confused now.

Do you mean it is the school on Duchess Road (correct school)

But that the window / hatch / chute is not itself on Duchess Road (wrong location for the picture mystery window).

As far as I know the school was called Duchess Road school, but obviously this was one of 3 or 4 streets which bordered the site.

A bit like Norfolk being on Cradock Road, Brimmersfield Road, Spring Lane and City Road. Right school, wrong street.

Well I think you have identified the where the School was, but unless I am mistaken it was on Edmund Rd, although it had a boundary on Duchess Rd, Sheaf Gardens and Leadmill Rd.

I was not called Duchess Rd School, that was at the junction of Duchess Rd and Shoreham St, I think a map may be useful

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Well I think you have identified the where the School was, but unless I am mistaken it was on Edmund Rd, although it had a boundary on Duchess Rd, Sheaf Gardens and Leadmill Rd.

I was not called Duchess Rd School, that was at the junction of Duchess Rd and Shoreham St, I think a map may be useful

OK, that gives me some idea.

However, there now appears to be 2 schools, - one on both sides of the road.

Is it the same school but on a split site?

What are BOTH these schools called?

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I think it was St. Marie's School. Picture Sheffield ref s22281

The building just north of St. Marie's R. C. School (the one on the sharp point of the triangle) was number 7 Edmund Road and was called St. Marie's House. Picture Sheffield ref s09380

According to my 1942 Kelly's it was the home for the teachers of the school.

I reckon that the hole would be where the coal for the entire set-up was shot to heat the school / teachers home.

HD

edit Clough Road changed to Edmund Road.

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I think it was St. Marie's School. Picture Sheffield ref s22281

The building just north of St. Marie's R. C. School (the one on the sharp point of the triangle) was number 7 Clough Road and was called St. Marie's House. Picture Sheffield ref s09380

According to my 1942 Kelly's it was the home for the teachers of the school.

I reckon that the hole would be where the coal for the entire set-up was shot to heat the school / teachers home.

HD

I wouldn't want to teach there then.

Living on the premises in the "teachers house" and having to cart coal across the school yard to heat it in winter.

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I wouldn't want to teach there then.

Living on the premises in the "teachers house" and having to cart coal across the school yard to heat it in winter.

I'd like to bet you wouldn't want to wear the uniform either, have you looked at S09380 ? :(

HD

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According to my 1942 Kelly's it was the home for the teachers of the school.

I reckon that the hole would be where the coal for the entire set-up was shot to heat the school / teachers home.

HD

When built in 1878,

the school was warmed and ventilated by 'Haden's System'

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OK, that gives me some idea.

However, there now appears to be 2 schools, - one on both sides of the road.

Is it the same school but on a split site?

What are BOTH these schools called?

As HD & Steve say St Maries this was in the triangle of land as described, the one accross the road was Duchess Rd School, in later years when my brother went there the entrance was on the corner of Shoreham St.

But as Steve says there was a second St Maries, the discovery of this has solved a long standing mystery

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When built in 1878,

the school was warmed and ventilated by 'Haden's System'

According to Wikiwhatsits Haden specialised in warm air heating systems.

If they were as efficient as the system fitted in a bungalow we bought a few years ago, then the lads must have had to run on the spot in winter to keep warm. It lasted about a month before we had it ripped out and replaced with a wet system.

HD

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