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Another Battersby photo to decipher. This is a photo of my Grandad Walt (he's the one leaning on the post with a cigarette in his hand) taken when he was on strike (he was a lorry driver all his life). The photo appeared in 'The Picture Post'.

Can anyone identify the location and possibly the year it was taken?

Is it near the Wicker?

Was it taken in the 40's? I know Walt drove for a brewery around that time.

This has to be the best site for specialist knowledge of Sheffield, so thinking caps on folks please!

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SteveHB

Looks like it could be in the Neepsend/Rutland Road area near to the Stones brewery, the vehicle at the far end of the yard has Bass written on the back of it.

Excellent photo TexxUK

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Guest tsavo

I think we need a train buff to pinpoint the location of the viaduct and the signal box at top centre. Great picture, so much more impact in black and white.

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pgmetcalf

Looks like it could be in the Neepsend/Rutland Road area near to the Stones brewery, the vehicle at the far end of the yard has Bass written on the back of it.

Excellent photo TexxUK

That's what I'm thinking with the Bass lorry and I think that is Sheffield number 1 signal box. The bridge in the distance would cross over Rutland Road. Here's a photo from my book courtesy of E M Johnson: Woodhead - The Electic Railway, Foxline, undated. Note the grassy hill in the distance, it looks the same. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the coal shoot arches - I believe that's what they are - they definately were and still are just up from Neepsend Station, is the fact that the bridge abuttments appear to be stone in EM Johnson's book but brick in the photo you provided. Modernisation after the Woodhead upgrade in 1954?

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Looking at the first shot...there seems to be quite a gao between the bridge and the signal box.....but on the second shot the box is built into the wall of the bridge and also looks to have a road going in front of it (there a path and a hand rail) where the first appears to be inside a works yard.

Got to say though..thats first shot is amazing!!

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SteveHB

"Second photo(s)" in pgmetcalf's post?

For some strange reason I can't see it!

Would some kind person copy and paste it back on here please, never had this problem before :(

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That's what I'm thinking with the Bass lorry and I think that is Sheffield number 1 signal box. The bridge in the distance would cross over Rutland Road. Here's a photo from my book courtesy of E M Johnson: Woodhead - The Electic Railway, Foxline, undated. Note the grassy hill in the distance, it looks the same. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the coal shoot arches - I believe that's what they are - they definately were and still are just up from Neepsend Station, is the fact that the bridge abuttments appear to be stone in EM Johnson's book but brick in the photo you provided. Modernisation after the Woodhead upgrade in 1954?

In the photo provided the view, if of the Rutland signal box, would be obscured by the Helen Wilson Settlement buiding

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.393861&a...r=0&src=msl

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SteveHB

In the photo provided the view, if of the Rutland signal box, would be obscured by the Helen Wilson Settlement buiding

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.393861&a...r=0&src=msl

Thanks neddy,was looking at that on flashearth yesterday.

Looking back at the first photo it has 110 on the gate post, it can't be 110 Rutland road as the even numbers are on the opposite side of the main road to that old signal box

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pgmetcalf

Thanks neddy,was looking at that on flashearth yesterday.

Looking back at the first photo it has 110 on the gate post, it can't be 110 Rutland road as the even numbers are on the opposite side of the main road to that old signal box

No the first photo is not Rutland Road, I reckon rutland Road is at the back where the lorries are. See the raised bridge abuttments on the arches near the signal box?

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No the first photo is not Rutland Road, I reckon rutland Road is at the back where the lorries are. See the raised bridge abuttments on the arches near the signal box?

As far as i'm aware there were only two sets of arches in the area, I think one was at the side of Helen Wilson, became a scrap metal yard then a builders yard, and further along at Wilson Street but I think both are constructed of stone, and you would'nt be able to see the signal box, The Arches in the photo remind me more of the ones at Sutherland Street at Norfolk Bridge.

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dr stanley

As far as i'm aware there were only two sets of arches in the area, I think one was at the side of Helen Wilson, became a scrap metal yard then a builders yard, and further along at Wilson Street but I think both are constructed of stone, and you would'nt be able to see the signal box, The Arches in the photo remind me more of the ones at Sutherland Street at Norfolk Bridge.

I've been working in town today so I've had a drive round looking at railway arches (I should get a life). Neddy's correct in saying the ones on Wilson Street are stone not brick.

Heres a photo of Rutland Road Bridge, the base of the signal box is still visible amongst the trees.

A bit clearer here (there are remains of a staircase to the left of the foundations)

As regards the original photo the nearest I have come to it is the arches on Princess Street but as you can see the parapet is all wrong and was there a signal box next to Attercliffe Road Station?

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"Second photo(s)" in pgmetcalf's post?

For some strange reason I can't see it!

Would some kind person copy and paste it back on here please, never had this problem before :(

No...what I meant was in the first photo (the original B&W one) the box and its position is different to that of the second image that came from the scanned book posted by PG.

Getting back to the location...my moneys going on the arches up near the old Victoria station..there are still a few factories up there now under the arches like Heatons the coach company.

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I've been working in town today so I've had a drive round looking at railway arches (I should get a life). Neddy's correct in saying the ones on Wilson Street are stone not brick.

Heres a photo of Rutland Road Bridge, the base of the signal box is still visible amongst the trees.

A bit clearer here (there are remains of a staircase to the left of the foundations)

As regards the original photo the nearest I have come to it is the arches on Princess Street but as you can see the parapet is all wrong and was there a signal box next to Attercliffe Road Station?

They are the ones I'm talking about, but the other side Corby Street, ran from Sutherland Street at the side of the railway, the nearest I get is the corner of Windsor Street and there is a number 110 there -108-110 Alfred Minott beer retailer 1925 directory. now where are the railway buffs, was there a signal box at Princess St. Greystock St. or East Coast Rd.

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SteveHB

Eeee it's a good un this is, now got me wondering if Stones Brewery (presuming it's Stones?) had a vehicle maintinace department/garage somewere.

Will have to ask my mate Fred, he should have a good idea ... :)

He was a Drayman for Stones Brewery and he is now in his Eightieth year.

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No...what I meant was in the first photo (the original B&W one) the box and its position is different to that of the second image that came from the scanned book posted by PG.

Getting back to the location...my moneys going on the arches up near the old Victoria station..there are still a few factories up there now under the arches like Heatons the coach company.

Been and had a look tonight. These arches are stone and too high.Sorry.. :(

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They are the ones I'm talking about, but the other side Corby Street, ran from Sutherland Street at the side of the railway, the nearest I get is the corner of Windsor Street and there is a number 110 there -108-110 Alfred Minott beer retailer 1925 directory. now where are the railway buffs, was there a signal box at Princess St. Greystock St. or East Coast Rd.

Went to have a look at Windsor Street Bridge today, the brickwork is different from the photo, it's the same as in dr.stanleys pic, so it's back to the drawing board.

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Another Battersby photo to decipher. This is a photo of my Grandad Walt (he's the one leaning on the post with a cigarette in his hand) taken when he was on strike (he was a lorry driver all his life). The photo appeared in 'The Picture Post'.

Can anyone identify the location and possibly the year it was taken?

Is it near the Wicker?

Was it taken in the 40's? I know Walt drove for a brewery around that time.

This has to be the best site for specialist knowledge of Sheffield, so thinking caps on folks please!

Sussex Street (bottom end) the road in the distance bends left , and eventially comes out at (former) North Pole pub.
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;-) Sussex Street (bottom end) the road in the distance bends left , and eventially comes out at (former) North Pole pub.
...just to elaborate on my previous post... the arches on the right still exist up to the centre of the picture . Everything centre left (including signal box) has,alas, gone, although more modern buildings have been built.
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...just to elaborate on my previous post... the arches on the right still exist up to the centre of the picture . Everything centre left (including signal box) has,alas, gone, although more modern buildings have been built.

The sign above the gateway (Karpol car repairs) is that a clue?

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The sign above the gateway (Karpol car repairs) is that a clue?

It's Karpol car polish .

Some information about it here. Launched in 1927, still being sold in the late 1940's.

"distributed mainly through garages".

Hugh

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...just to elaborate on my previous post... the arches on the right still exist up to the centre of the picture . Everything centre left (including signal box) has,alas, gone, although more modern buildings have been built.
.....100 yards IN FRONT of the picture , (where there are more arches) was Victoria Station. The cameraman who took the photo is stood on Effingham Rd , where the road bends on his left past the gas towers. ;-)
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pgmetcalf

I'm still pretty certain it's here - post 1954 line modernisation. In the original photo you can see builders gangs working on the building front left of the signal box. Did Gerry hit the Stones brewery? Sorry for the photo quality - E M Johnson again.

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Fantastic replys folks! I'm really chuffed that people are taking time to research this, even visiting likely sites. I will be visiting them my self over the next week or so to have a look and will report back with some pics.

I've just put up a site containing the letters my Dad wrote back to his family (mum, dad, and sisters) when he was in the army. I've got a few more bits to add to it yet, but it's up and running now. I think it makes good reading, seeing how a young lad slowly picks up army lingo etc.

If you get a chance please have a look at http://dadsarmyletters.blogspot.com

I would have put them on here but I thought it might have been a rather big file.

TexxUK

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