RichardB Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Challenge for those interested ... Four pubs are listed as "named after men who are, nowadays at least, obscure enough for no information to be found as to who they were and what they did which made them worth naming pubs after :" The Paul Pry (open 1833) looking for a profession The Sir Admiral Lyons (1833-1908) impossible, unless you can find different The Sir Francis Burnett (open 1825) linked to McReady below The William McReady (open 1787) linked to Burnett above From my comments strong possibilities for 3 of the 4 can be put forward, a "cause" links 3 & 4 Number 2 - finding nowt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 The Paul Pry (open 1833) looking for a profession Even earlier ! Robert WINTER Taverns & Public Houses (Paul Pry) 63 Pea Croft Pigot's 1828-9 John SAYNOR vict. Paul Pry 64 Pea Croft White's 1833 William ROGERS Vict. Paul Pry PH 88 Peacroft Kelly's 1893 Mrs Lucy ELLIOTT Vict. Paul Pry 88 Solly Street White's 1911 Mrs Lucy ELLIOTT Vict. Paul Pry 88 Solly Street White's 1919 Mrs Lucy ELLIOTT Vict Paul Pry 88 Solly Street Kelly's 1925 Lasted nearly 100 years ... Also similar time frame 1840's - possible Satirical magazine articles about Paul Pry (probably a different person) http://books.google.com/books?id=mx4vAAAAM...22+%2Bsheffield Could not find any matches in Sheffield Directories for other three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Admiral Lyons (1790-1858) was commander of the naval forces in the Crimea and earned particular credit for not abandoning Balaclava harbour when ordered to do so by Lord Raglan. OBITUARY.; Death of Admiral Lyons December 14, 1858, Wednesday The news by the Persia announces the death of Lord LYONS, at Arundel Castle, on the 24th of November. The Admiral was 68 years of age. He was born at Burton, near Christchurch, from which place he took his title: Baron LYONS, of Christchurch. ---------------------------------------- John Liston was the leading comic actor of the first half of the 19th century. In 1825, with 20 years of experience behind him, he created his masterpiece character, Paul Pry, in John Poole's farce of the same name. Pry is a man consumed with curiosity, an interfering busybody unable to mind his own business. With his striped trousers, hessian boots, tail coat and top hat, Liston moulded Pry into a uniquely endearing character. Most memorble was the umbrella that Pry conveniently left behind everywhere he went so that he would have an excuse to return and eavesdrop. The public became totally infatuated with Liston and Pry. Images of Liston as Pry appeared on inn signs, in print shops, in the pottery warehouses, on pocket handkerchiefs, stamped on butter, adorning snuff boxes , and in toyshops. The Staffordshire, Rockingham, Derby and Worcestershire porcelain factories all produced figures of Paul Pry like this one. It was such a hit that Paul Pry was still being revived in the 1890s with Liston's performance imitated, costume and all. Created: 1825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Admiral Lyons (1790-1858) was commander of the naval forces in the Crimea and earned particular credit for not abandoning Balaclava harbour when ordered to do so by Lord Raglan. OBITUARY.; Death of Admiral Lyons December 14, 1858, Wednesday The news by the Persia announces the death of Lord LYONS, at Arundel Castle, on the 24th of November. The Admiral was 68 years of age. He was born at Burton, near Christchurch, from which place he took his title: Baron LYONS, of Christchurch. ---------------------------------------- Better than I could find ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 John Liston was the leading comic actor of the first half of the 19th century. In 1825, with 20 years of experience behind him, he created his masterpiece character, Paul Pry, in John Poole's farce of the same name. Pry is a man consumed with curiosity, an interfering busybody unable to mind his own business. With his striped trousers, hessian boots, tail coat and top hat, Liston moulded Pry into a uniquely endearing character. Most memorble was the umbrella that Pry conveniently left behind everywhere he went so that he would have an excuse to return and eavesdrop. The public became totally infatuated with Liston and Pry. Images of Liston as Pry appeared on inn signs, in print shops, in the pottery warehouses, on pocket handkerchiefs, stamped on butter, adorning snuff boxes , and in toyshops. The Staffordshire, Rockingham, Derby and Worcestershire porcelain factories all produced figures of Paul Pry like this one. It was such a hit that Paul Pry was still being revived in the 1890s with Liston's performance imitated, costume and all. Created: 1825 There is also a carrier called Paul Pry, does have Sheffield connections ... this one, yours, who I found, then deleted from my original posting is much more famous ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Admiral Lyons (1790-1858) was commander of the naval forces in the Crimea and earned particular credit for not abandoning Balaclava harbour when ordered to do so by Lord Raglan. OBITUARY.; Death of Admiral Lyons December 14, 1858, Wednesday The news by the Persia announces the death of Lord LYONS, at Arundel Castle, on the 24th of November. The Admiral was 68 years of age. He was born at Burton, near Christchurch, from which place he took his title: Baron LYONS, of Christchurch. Christchurch is a small historic market town on the south coast of England. Traditionally in Hampshire, it is now just on the Dorset side of the Hampshire-Dorset boundary. Originally called Twynham, the place 'between the rivers', it is a town with a long history. It was a prehistoric settlement, a fortified Saxon burgh listed in the Domesday Book, the site of an Augustinian priory and a Civil War skirmish, and was a centre for the manufacture of fusee chains for watches. Its greatest (unsung) hero is Admiral Sir Edmund Lyons who, upon his triumphant return from the Crimean War, was pulled through the town in an open carriage by a company of sailors. http://www.communigate.co.uk/dorset/christchurchfolk/ ------------------------------------------------------ He must have done something before this, check the date of the pub in Sheffield ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 He must have done something before this, check the date of the pub in Sheffield ... Jan. 1. 1856. King George of Hanover, by a decree, abolishes trial by jury for political offences, and in trials on account of published writings, throughout his dominions. 2. The centre dock of Sebastopol blown up by the English engineers. 3. Arrival of Admiral Sir E. Lyons in London 22. The Duke of Cambridge, General Della Marmora, Sir R. Airey, Sir H. Jones, Sir E. Lyons, and Admiral Dundas, return to London from Paris, where they have been attending a council of war. 28. Festivities at Christchurch, Hants, in honour of Sir Edmund Lyons, on his visiting his native town. ------------------------------------------------- Feb. 1856. 13. Grand banquet at the Mansion- House to Admiral Sir E. Lyons. -------------------------------------------------- July. 1856 24. Sir Edmund Lyons raised to the peerage, as Baron Lyons of Christchurch, in the County of Southampton. -------------------------------------------------- http://www.cartes.freeuk.com/history/212-219.htm ------------------------------------------------- All very nice, doesn't tell us why a pub in Sheffield was named after him in 1833 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Here we go, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S4Y1Orf...d=1#PRA1-PR8,M1 Still dunt tell us why a pub's named after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Still dunt tell us why a pub's named after him. Nice work, so "Grand Cross of the Bath and Redeemer of Greece", "Appointed Minister to Swiss Confederation", "Sir Edmund as a Diplomatist", "Offered second in Command in Meditteranean", Constantinople, Balaclava, Crimea, Baron Lyons of Christchurch, Reception at Crystal Palace ..... Life of Vice Admiral Edmund, Baron Lyons of Christchurch ..... Well, I think we're put that matter to bed, he was indeed by the sounds of it, a VERY famous man in his own times. The strongest possibility for naming a pub after him, in Sheffield is, in my opnion ..... Sir Edmunds Grandson, present Duke of Norfolk (1843 - 1853 section) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willo Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Algernon McLennan Lyons was a prominent figure in the Royal Navy who rose to become Admiral of the Fleet. He was born in Satara, India on August 2, 1833, the second of three sons of Humphrey Lyons (a Lieutenant-General in the Indian (Bombay) Army) and Eliza Bennett. Lyons saw service with the Royal Navy in the Crimean War where he was appointed flag-lieutenant to his uncle, Sir Edmund Lyons (later 1st Baron Lyons of Christchurch). Following the war, he led a distinguished career, which included appointments as Commander-in-Chief in the Pacific, North America and the West Indies and Plymouth (1893). In 1895 he was appointed First and Principal Naval Aide-de-Camp to Queen Victoria. In 1889 Algernon Lyons was created a Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath (KCB), subsequently raised to a Grand Commander (GCB) in 1897. On August 23, 1897, he was promoted to the penultimate position of Admiral of the Fleet. He was also a Justice of the Peace and Deputy-Lieutenant of Glamorganshire. Algernon married Louisa Jane Penrice (1853-1935) of Kilvrough, near Swansea, Glamorgan, the sole heiress of her father, Thomas Penrice (1820-1897) and had issue. [edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 The Sir Francis Burnett (open 1825) linked to McReady below The William McReady (open 1787) linked to Burnett above Anyone found anything about these two ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 COLD BATH FIELDS PRISON. We have been much gratified by the manner in which Mr. Sheridan has taken up the abuses of this jail. The exertions of Sir Francis Burnett in this respect, in 1800, not only did him immortal credit, but remedied some few, but very few, of the evils. The Report of the Commissioners appointed by his Majesty for this purpose, although by no means disposed to exaggerate the grievances complained of contained such a statement as would have justified, and ought to have induced ministers to take such measures as would have laid this question for ever at rest. But, through some flimsy attempts at reform were at first held out, nothing effectual was done. Aris was not removed, which, if the administration had been disposed to pav the slightest regard to the Report of their own Commissioners, for this commission (not being a parliamentary commission, but the Privy Seal, the Commissioners were of course nominated by his Majesty's ministers) was a direct reprobation of every suggestion of the Commissioners. This establishment has always been considered as unconstitutional and can only remind us of thefamous dungeons of Lydford, where, according to Lydford Law, the unhappy and often imaginary criminals, were first hanged.and tried afterwards! The demolition of this threatre of petty tyrany, and the punishment of the minions of oppression, would gladden the heart of every Englishman; instead of being a place for the improvement of the morals of petty offenders, it rather appears, from the petition here alluded to, to have become a sink of debauchery. Also see : http://www.colas.freeserve.co.uk/context/6...correction.html The Middlesex House of Correction (Extract) Royal Mail's Mount Pleasant Sorting Office in Rosebery Avenue stands on the site of one of London's notorious prisons – the Middlesex House of Correction commonly known as Cold Bath Fields Prison after the nearby well. It was built in 1794 and although later noted for its strictness and severity was built to a scheme recommended by the prison reformer, John Howard. It housed prisoners of both sexes. B Lambert in his History and Survey of London and its Environs, 1806, describes the then newly-built prison as being; erected on a swamp thus requiring extra special foundations so deep that "it is supposed there are as many bricks laid underground as appear in sight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 http://library-2.lse.ac.uk/archives/handli...migLetters.html MCREADY, WILLIAM CHARLES, 1793-1873, ACTOR Letters from John and David Hughes in the USA to their parents in Wales. The letters from David Hughes describe the Atlantic crossing and mention his work in a shop in Boston. He also sends news of other Welshmen and includes a message in Welsh for a friend. The letter from John Hughes comments on the effects of the Civil War on business and describes how the railways are revolutionising transport. An unsigned and incomplete letter describes the quarrel between the actors William Charles McReady and Edwin Forrest, and the riots which accompanied McReady's appearance in New York. All the letters are xeroxes of originals. 1. David Hughes, Boston, Massachusetts, to his parents, 28 September 1857. 4pp. 2. John Hughes, Miamus, Connecticut, and New York, to his parents, 20 and 29 October 1861. 3pp. 3. Unsigned and incomplete letter, [1849]. 2pp. 4. David Hughes, Boston, Massachusetts, to his parents, undated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 Famous pre-20th century productions of Julius Caesar include: In the 18th century as in Shakespeare's time actors played a repertoire of roles. Thomas Betterton one of the most well known actors of his day and manager of Drury Lane theatre was known for playing Brutus. Theatres had used limited stock scenery but designers like de Loutherbourg began to experiment with theatrical effects which thrilled audiences. In the eighteenth century productions of Shakespeare's plays were often rewritten omitting scenes and including new material with happy endings. Shakespeare was a firm favourite with the actor/managers of the 19th century. Giving them the opportunity to star in a dramatic role and create hugely detailed and historically realistic sets that were the fashion. The spectacle of the performance was more important than the play and texts were cut short - often to allow enough time to change the elaborate scenery. William Charles Macready faithfully restored the original Shakespeare texts and also instigated rehearsals for the full company - previously star performers would often meet the other members of the company on the first night. In 1843 Macready played Brutus in the Drury Lane production of Julius Caesar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 William Charles MacReady Biographical Details and Notes It was not until 1837 that he was considered one of England's leading actors. After Drury Lane in 1843 he toured the provinces, going on to Paris France and then America. There were riots (10th May 1849) during his last visit to the United States of America, they were due to the American actor Edwin Forrest's bad humour towards Macready, 22 people were killed during these riots. During his time at Covent Garden he was to produce Shakespeare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 Well, he certainly must have been famous in his day, here are 20 portraits of him at the National Portrait Gallery ! http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp02906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 He was famous, however, the pub opened before he was born !!!! So it must be named after his father, also an actor ! William Macready Macready [M'cready], William (1755–1829), actor and theatre manager (detail from Oxford Dictionary of National Biography http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101064352/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 Of course "Leader" had the answer to the MacReady problem all along !!! http://www.omnesamici.co.uk/MemoriestRELeaderChapter07.html It was not until I763 that the town became possessed of a theatre worthy of the name. This was built back-to-back with the Assembly Rooms, the frontage of the latter being, as now, to Norfolk Street, and of the former to Tudor Place. But, although it was described in I764 "as large and commodious, capable of containing eight hundred spectators, handsomely decorated, and having some very good scenery," it was taken down and rebuilt on a larger plan in I773. This is still our Theatre Royal, and notwithstanding drastic changes, both internal and external, there may to this day be seen in the pediment the " spirited" profile of Shakespeare and some dramatic symbols executed for the original builders by a poor wandering tramp named Renilowe. Such records of the early fortunes of this theatre as survive give the impression that, though largely patronised, it was, like most provincial playhouses, in a state of perpetual struggle. It did well for the proprietors, since the £IOO shares were selling for £I52 in I82I, and for £I85 in I827; but it too often spelt ruin for its transient lessees. Among these the names of Stephen Kemble, the elder Macready, and De Camp attract notice. " Rare Jemmy Robertson " was a more tenacious occupant. He ran it off and on, and with an interval in the years I799 to I805, when Macready was manager between I794 and I8I6. Also : There is no record that John Philip Kemble, the greatest of the brothers, ever appeared here, but the elder Macready included this theatre in his provincial managements from I799 to I805, and, later than that, his more celebrated son, William Charles Macready, was always sure of enthusiastic welcome when he trod these boards. ******************************************************************************** * This out of copyright material has been transcribed by Eric Youle, who has * * provided the transcription on condition that any further copying and * * distribution of the transcription is allowed only for noncommercial * * purposes, and includes this statement in its entirety. Any references to, * * or quotations from, this material should give credit to the original * * author(s) or editors. * *********************************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted December 5, 2007 Author Share Posted December 5, 2007 Oct 1st 1799 Theatre opened by Mr. McCready; principal performers, Messrs. .Harley, Halpin, Johnson, Stanwix, Noble Egerton, Harlowe, Munden, (three nights;) Mrs. Harlowe, Mrs. Siddons, (five nights,) Mrs. Cpates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 The Iris Oct 1800, Theatre Sheffield Mr. M'Cready played Pince of Wales in King Henry 1V and in Fortunes Frolic, he played Robin Roughhead -(sounds like a part for Richard) he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted December 5, 2007 Author Share Posted December 5, 2007 Sept 25 1800. Theatre opened by Mr. M'Cready; principal performers, Messrs. Harley, Halpin, Lee Lewis, Egerton, Macartney, Quick, (five nights;) Miss Duncan; Mrs. Brown, Mrs Macartney, Miss Biggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobberd Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Sorry to bump this after so long but in answer to Sir Francis Burnett we should look for Sir Francis Burdett who was a great political reformist of the 19th century. He was the leader in the house of commons of the "radicals" and fought against government corruption. More info here http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRburdett.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Name updated, I have seen both spellings, modern bias I suppose Burnett over Burdett. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Now we have The Leg of Mutton and Trimmings (all available evidence does not support "Waterfall") Omnibus, Brocco - no keeper - unlikely to find one (1819-1845ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumac Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Now we have The Leg of Mutton and Trimmings (all available evidence does not support "Waterfall") Omnibus, Brocco - no keeper - unlikely to find one (1819-1845ish) On wikipedia Paul Pry was the most popular play in 1825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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