RichardB Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 John PRITCHARD vict, Bazaar Hotel and cutlery &c. founder South Street and 41 Carver Street White's 1833 Elizabeth PRITCHARD Vict. Bazaar Hotel South Street Pigot's 1841 Joseph BIRKS Vict. Bazaar Hotel 116 South Street White's 1852 Mrs Annie DOUTHWAITE Vict. Bazaar 114 & 116 South Street White's 1919 George DOUTHWAITE Vict. Bazaar 114 & 116 The Moor Kelly's 1925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 1881 details CROSSLAND Fredk. M 29 M Head Sheffield, York, England Sheet Roller Bazaar Hotel 134 & 136 South St Moor Ecclesall Bierlow CROSSLAND Ann F 29 M Wife Sheffield, York, England Sheet Roller Bazaar Hotel 134 & 136 South St Moor Ecclesall Bierlow CROSSLAND John M 4 m Son Sheffield, York, England Sheet Roller Bazaar Hotel 134 & 136 South St Moor Ecclesall Bierlow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacdaw Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Hi there Richard B, I just found this post you added in 2007. I know its a looong time ago, but do you know why you added it and anything about the people or the address please? I'm doing my family tree and Ann Crossland was Ann Toyne (or Tyne) until her marriage to Fred Crossland. They lived at the Bazaar Hotel at the 1881 Census. I've never heard of the Bazaar Hotel or where it is. My maiden name was Toyne too, she was my Gt Gt Gt Aunt If you have any info at all I'd really appreciate it if you could pass it on to me.ย Given the number of posts you have on here, I'm sure you have a fantastic memory ๐๐๐ ย Many thanks, Jackie D (Jacdaw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 The Bazaar Hotel was next to, and opened around the same time as the Ecclesall Bazaar - more info here: There's a photo here: Bazaar Hotel - PictureSheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 05/03/2022 at 04:42, Jacdaw said: Hi there Richard B, I just found this post you added in 2007. I know its a looong time ago, but do you know why you added it and anything about the people or the address please? I'm doing my family tree and Ann Crossland was Ann Toyne (or Tyne) until her marriage to Fred Crossland. They lived at the Bazaar Hotel at the 1881 Census. I've never heard of the Bazaar Hotel or where it is. My maiden name was Toyne too, she was my Gt Gt Gt Aunt If you have any info at all I'd really appreciate it if you could pass it on to me.ย Given the number of posts you have on here, I'm sure you have a fantastic memory ๐๐๐ ย Many thanks, Jackie D (Jacdaw) Hi Jackie I can confirm that Toyne is the correct surname according to this Marriage Certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacdaw Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Thanks for coming to my aid again Edmund and Syrup! You're all Sheffield Superheroes on this site! One day I hope to have sufficient knowledge to return the favour.ย โบ๏ธ๐๐ With your help I've found out that poor Ann died at 44ย after bearing 4 children in 4 years, then another when she was 40. At which point Fred had already accquired another wife and moved on from the Bazaar Hotel to the Travellers Inn at 683 Attercliffe Common, where he stayed until he died in 1916. It was a hard life in those days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacdaw Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Hello again, you trusty crew. I've found yet another 2 pub landlords in my family tree! This time it's John Tyne followed by Sarah Tyne at the Britannia Arms on Portobello Street. Does anyone have a photo of this pub please? Ive looked on the a-z of pubs but unfortunately couldnt find a photo> I thought my Dad was the only person in my family who ran a pub, but apparently there have been Toynes or Tynes (or Revills) in Whirlow Bridge Inn, Travellers Inn Attercliffe, Burgoyne Arms hillsborough, Florist Walkley, Freemasons Walkley Lane, Britannia, Bazaar Hotel, Foljambe Arms Rotherham....up to now๐คช 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 The Sheffield Iris of 20th June 1837 reported that several beer-house keepers had been summoned for having their houses open and suffering misconduct at a late hour on Saturday night. Mrs Tyne of Portobello-street was fined only costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopman Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 15/03/2022 at 10:13, Edmund said: The Sheffield Iris of 20th June 1837 reported that several beer-house keepers had been summoned for having their houses open and suffering misconduct at a late hour on Saturday night. Mrs Tyne of Portobello-street was fined only costs. Most likely not connected but this was the day Queen Victoria's reign started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacdaw Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Hey Edmund, Thanks so much for the info. Did it mention the name of the pub? Where do you all find these things? I need to learn๐ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 The newspaper report didn't state the name of the beerhouse, but below are extracts from the 1822 Baines Directory and 1837 Whites Directory which show the Tynes running the Britannia.ย Many directories are available free from Leicester university here:ย Historical Directories 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 This is very intriguing, Mary Turton water caster, just whatโs does a water caster do? Maybe lead shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boginspro Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I am doubtful if it is relevant in this case but aย doctor / quack doctor who diagnosed illness by inspecting urine was referred to as a water caster / water-caster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 8 hours ago, boginspro said: I am doubtful if it is relevant in this case but aย doctor / quack doctor who diagnosed illness by inspecting urine was referred to as a water caster / water-caster. Itโs also strange sheโs listed as โ & Co โ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I think the " & Co " was actually " &c. " = et cetera = etc.ย ย A water caster called Mr Turton was involved in the case of the murder of an illegitimate child by its mother in March 1850.ย The 18 year old Maria Woodall who strangled her newborn child had consistently denied being pregnant. Her mother had not believed her, and had taken her to Turton the water caster, who had (wrongly) assured her that Maria was not pregnant but dropsical.ย The pregnancy then went to term, with dreadful results.ย The 1851 census shows Mordecai Turton (born 1818) living at Court 7 Leicester street and his occupation listed grandly as " The Caster". It's not clear if he was related to Mary Turton the water caster in Owlerton in 1822. I understand that urine testing is still used as a test for pregnancy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Edmund said: I think the " & Co " was actually " &c. " = et cetera = etc.ย ย A water caster called Mr Turton was involved in the case of the murder of an illegitimate child by its mother in March 1850.ย The 18 year old Maria Woodall who strangled her newborn child had consistently denied being pregnant. Her mother had not believed her, and had taken her to Turton the water caster, who had (wrongly) assured her that Maria was not pregnant but dropsical.ย The pregnancy then went to term, with dreadful results.ย The 1851 census shows Mordecai Turton (born 1818) living at Court 7 Leicester street and his occupation listed grandly as " The Caster". It's not clear if he was related to Mary Turton the water caster in Owlerton in 1822. I understand that urine testing is still used as a test for pregnancy.... That IS very interesting Edmund, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leksand Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 05/03/2022 at 04:42, Jacdaw said: Hi there Richard B, I just found this post you added in 2007. I know its a looong time ago, but do you know why you added it and anything about the people or the address please? I'm doing my family tree and Ann Crossland was Ann Toyne (or Tyne) until her marriage to Fred Crossland. They lived at the Bazaar Hotel at the 1881 Census. I've never heard of the Bazaar Hotel or where it is. My maiden name was Toyne too, she was my Gt Gt Gt Aunt If you have any info at all I'd really appreciate it if you could pass it on to me.ย Given the number of posts you have on here, I'm sure you have a fantastic memory ๐๐๐ ย Many thanks, Jackie D (Jacdaw) There is a slight problem here because the stated address, 134&136, is not that of the public house generally known as the Bazaar Hotel, which at the date noted was trading by a different name (although had previously been known as & subsequently reverted to the name Bazaar). Whether another institution (unlicensed) took up the name in the interim or this is, perhaps, a case of erroneous overwriting on a census page (which is more common than you might think), or some other error, you may be better placed to ascertain than me. You do see some migration of #136 South St, Moor in that era, it being used at different times for properties on either side of Thomas/Tudor St, though I think by 1881 it was probably fixed to the north as #134 tends more consistently to be. I don't know the provenance of any hotel based there as I have no record of its licensing. The property on the south side, however, commonly numbered 138&140 was a reasonably up-market grocer which seems to have gone on to become one of a chain of temperance cafes & hotels. This happened quite a few years after 1881 but it is quite conceivable non-sales rooms were prepared as lodgings or a temperence hotel at an earlier date, albeit probably not addressed as 134&136. On 17/03/2022 at 10:02, Hopman said: Most likely not connected but this was the day Queen Victoria's reign started. It almost certainly was! Offences of that nature would quite commonly be dismissed on payment of costs when considered to be the consequence of major public celebration back in that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacdaw Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 14/03/2022 at 20:44, Jacdaw said: Hello again, you trusty crew. I've found yet another 2 pub landlords in my family tree! This time it's John Tyne followed by Sarah Tyne at the Britannia Arms on Portobello Street. Does anyone have a photo of this pub please? Ive looked on the a-z of pubs but unfortunately couldnt find a photo> I thought my Dad was the only person in my family who ran a pub, but apparently there have been Toynes or Tynes (or Revills) in Whirlow Bridge Inn, Travellers Inn Attercliffe, Burgoyne Arms hillsborough, Florist Walkley, Freemasons Walkley Lane, Britannia, Bazaar Hotel, Foljambe Arms Rotherham....up to now๐คช Hi Again Everyone, Not been on here for a few months... its rubbish when life gets in the way of hobbies๐๐ Just wondered if anyone had found any photos of of the Britannia Inn/Arms on Portobello Street please? Also (I'm sure I'm not on the right forum here, but if anyone can point me in the right direction for the origins of Sheffield street names, I 'd be very grateful) Thanks to you all and hope you're all keeping well, in the midst of all the doom and gloom๐จ๏ธโ๏ธ๐๐ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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