Bikeman Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I took the attached pictures below for a project on the 5 weirs walk - the images were taken from Effingham Street looking towards Savile street. The weir was apparently constructed to provide water for the Upper and Nether Walk cutlers and grinders according to the internet, but I can't find any mention of these on the net. You can see the stone arch, presumably to divert the water to the mills. Anyone have any information on the cutlers or grinders who might have used this weir? thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Not an answer, but I would have thought that water to power Walk Mill would have been extracted above/up stream of the weir, not from below it? Ciirca 1855 https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysanderix Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I was always led to believe that industry expanded down the Don valley to accommodate larger works and cannot think of an example of a cutler locating there…but I stand to be corrected. My understanding is that the weirs were built to supply a steady flow of water to the many tilt hammers being used in the forges down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeman Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 17 hours ago, SteveHB said: Not an answer, but I would have thought that water to power Walk Mill would have been extracted above/up stream of the weir, not from below it? Ciirca 1855 https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345217 Thanks for the map and it does seem to show a feed from above the weir to Walk Mill wheels, the waste returning to the river further downstream, so that's part of the riddle solved. Possibly the outlet is hidden behind the trees on my image. The stone archway below the weir could have gone to Don Mill or be an outlet from Don Mill, I guess or to some of the smaller buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leksand Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Lysanderix said: I was always led to believe that industry expanded down the Don valley to accommodate larger works and cannot think of an example of a cutler locating there…but I stand to be corrected. My understanding is that the weirs were built to supply a steady flow of water to the many tilt hammers being used in the forges down there. I think this was the case in the main. However, there was a certain amount of earlier industrial development at Local Fields which, I believe, expanded concurrently the other way, converging with the spread out from the Wicker around Burton Head. I'm not sure of the nature of all of it, though seem to remember from investigation of the 1851 census there were a lot of brickyards around Local Fields plus Marrian's Brewery of course. I may have some better data on it when I can access one of my storage hard drives. Also, I'm pretty sure that the Attercliffe end of Long Island had noteworthy development around the same time (though this may have been primarily sawmills). As an aside, the last time I was around the area photograhed I spotted a kingfisher - the only time I've ever seen one in Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeman Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Hi Leksand, I also saw a kingfisher when I was taking the photographs just before Christmas - the water must now be clean enough to carry minnows and sticklebacks, which the Kingfisher feeds on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysanderix Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 I am not an angler but I am told that the Don is now home to an array of coarse fish….not sure if there aren’t trout as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leksand Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Regretably I don't seem to have held on to a lot of the census data I recollect surveying and what I have retained isn't hugely relevant. There does still appear to have been some smaller scale file manufacture going on on the Long Island side of the river in the 1860's but whether anything similar was around on the northern banks I don't know. There is a short listing of traders from Rodgers 1841 directory attached below. Also dug out a slightly more detailed map from the same survey as above (~1853), perhaps suggesting that Walk Mills may have been a group of smaller works at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Early information concerning Upper Walk Mill Weir and Nether Walk Mill and Wheels is covered in "Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers edited by David Crossley. Published 1989 SEE Local Studies Library. "A Walk Mill (fulling mill) existed on Norfolk land North of the Don in 1581 but there is no sign of a second. Of the pair of Mill sites the Nether is more likely to have been the fulling mill, arguing from a lease of 1780 which refers to a fulling mill and 2 cutlers wheels and another cutlers wheel 'a little distance up' the latter apparently the Upper Walk Mill Wheel. From 1784 the Upper and Nether Wheels were separately described." See the book for information relating to other years 16th and 17th century to 1840's, giving various occupants, uses and other information. "In 1846 the auction of the freehold of the late Mrs. Brownell was advertised, describing 52 heavy troughs, 52 light troughs, a bone mill and a fulling mill, steam or water driven and a water driven corn mill. The 1850 Brightside rate book shows Charles Brownell, still owner of a walk mill and corn mill. The use of water power ceased after 1853, when William Brown leased the Walk Mill, which later he purchased. At his bankruptcy in 1864 it is shown that he had erected the Albion Iron and Steel Works on the mill site. "The Mills are built over, but the weir, which is in good order, is visible from Effingham Street, south of the river. The blocked head goit, west of the weir, can be seen in the river wall and to the east there are two outfall, approximately in the positions of the overflow and tail goit from the Upper Wheel. Water from the Upper Wheel fed the Nether Wheel, whose outfall was filled in the 19th century. " Also illustrated in the book, " 1851 OS Map shows Walk Mill Weir on the Don with Don Mill, (formerly Upper Walk Mill Wheel) adjacent and Walk Mill (formerly Nether) Wheels with their tail goits. The long nether goit was filled in soon after the making of the map. " For many years Don Mill stood in a ruinous state, (not sure if its still there) See Picture Sheffield for photographs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Lysanderix said: I am not an angler but I am told that the Don is now home to an array of coarse fish….not sure if there aren’t trout as well. One I caught some years back near Hillfoot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 A Plan of the Castle Orchards: The property of the Duke of Norfolk. 1767. The land from the Hospital Garden to the Walk Mill Weir, including the old Simon Wheel and Dam; numerical list with tenants, field names and descriptions and acreages. Park Furnace and the Simon Wheel (the works on the south side of the River Don from the junction with the Sheaf to modern Leveson Street) Furnival Road/Victoria Station Road. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03393&pos=12&action=zoom&id=98632 A Map of the lands and works in the north park of Sheffield Park. 1788. Castle Orchards, Simon Wheel, Walk Mill Wheel, Royds Mill. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y09966&pos=11&action=zoom&id=65481 A Map of Hall Car Farm, Royds Mill Farm and sundry other contiguous lands of the Earl of Surrey, with alterations [Savile Street], 1779, 1781. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc04240&pos=18&action=zoom&id=105356 Tenants listed: John Walker - close, etc; James Andrews - Hill Side Garden; Thomas Wilkinson - garden, etc; Josh. Ibberson - Walk Mill Meadow, grinding wheel, etc; heirs of John Hawksley; John Dixon (crossed out); Thomas Handley - Hill Side, Spital Field, orchard, stack yard, messuage, Coney Greave, Shoulder of Mutton Close, hop yard, Little - Hill, Pighill, Great Meadow, Long Meadow, Hanging Banks, Near Hield Field, Little Hollow Coney Greave, Larger Hollow, Near Butler Field, Middle Butler Field, Little Butler Field, Upper Wood Side, Upper High Field, Nether Wood Side, Wood Bottom, Little Wood Bottom, Little Old Park, Rough Field, Old Park; James Brookes - garden; John Thompson - garden; William and Michael Burton - Upper Booth Wood Close, Lower Booth Wood Close, [ ? ], Square Meadow, hop yard, Hall Car Field, Broom Field, Little Field, Walton Field including the stable, Barn Field garden and stack yard, house and garden, orchard, Bye Goight with Royd’s Mill, Wheel Field, Nether? Field; Edward Hobson - garden; Thomas Watson - a close; Josh. Glaire?, Thomas Lane (crossed through), Samiel Staniforth, Josh. Mower, William Binks, George Binks. Tenements near the Walk Mill held of the Earl of Surrey by Jas. Making. 1782 Between Savile Street and the River Don. Walk Mill and Dam. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03426&pos=13&action=zoom&id=98692 The Walk Mill Wheels and Ground to be demised with them.1785. Plan of dam, "goight" and wheels. Acreage of land leased in the Walk Mill Meadow. Walk Mill and Dam, Savile Street. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03427&pos=15&action=zoom&id=98695 The New Subdivisions of the Meadow lately held by Thomas Watson and of several other closes near Walk Mill.1785. Carlisle Street, Sutherland Street. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03465&pos=16&action=zoom&id=98744 A Map of the Walk Mill and of the Meadow adjoining held of the Earl of Surrey.1786. Plan of dam, "goight" and wheels. Walk Mill and Dam, Savile Street. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc03428&pos=14&action=zoom&id=98693 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 A Plan of Walk Mill Estate belonging to Elizabeth Wilkinson and Marianne Brownell divided into lots for sale. 1830. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;arc04241&pos=40&action=zoom&id=105357 Walk Mill is another term for a Fulling Mill, meaning to cleanse and thicken cloth by beating it or walking on it. Marked Saville [Savile] Street, Twelve O’clock Public House, River Dun [River Don], Dam, Wear [weir], Houses, Fulling Mill, Lower Wheel, Engine House, Upper Wheel, Gearing Room, Troughs, Wheel Shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Walk Mill Weir, River Don, from Effingham Street. u08501 Photographer: Berris Conolly Walk Mill Weir from Effingham Street with Hobson Houghton Co. Ltd and Don Steel Works in the background. w01108 Photographer: Keith Ayling. Walk Mill Weir, River Don Five Weirs Walk from Savile Street side of the river. 27th May 2005.c01200 Photograph: David Bocking Walk Mill is another term for a fulling mill, meaning to cleanse and thicken cloth by beating it or walking it. The earliest mention of its existance is in the records of the Duke of Norfolk Estates for 1581, which refer to a Fulling Mill and Cutler Wheel on the North Bank. For more information on Walk Mill Weir see: Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers, Crossley Ref: 621.21 SQF. See also: The Five Weirs Walk, Paul Griffiths. Ref: 942.74 S. View north along the River Don from Cobweb Bridge, Five Weirs Walk, Sussex Street showing derelict property at the rear of the former Don Saw Mill and Nos. 74-90 Saville House, Savile Street. 27th May 2005.c01196 Photographer, David Bocking. Derelict property at the rear of the Don Saw Mill, Saville Street from Sussex Street. 2006. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t03227&pos=11&action=zoom&id=33907 Fishing at Walk Mill Weir, River Don showing the fish ladder. 2006. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t03228&pos=12&action=zoom&id=33908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeman Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 22 hours ago, Ponytail said: Walk Mill Weir, River Don, from Effingham Street. u08501 Photographer: Berris Conolly Walk Mill Weir from Effingham Street with Hobson Houghton Co. Ltd and Don Steel Works in the background. w01108 Photographer: Keith Ayling. Walk Mill Weir, River Don Five Weirs Walk from Savile Street side of the river. 27th May 2005.c01200 Photograph: David Bocking Walk Mill is another term for a fulling mill, meaning to cleanse and thicken cloth by beating it or walking it. The earliest mention of its existance is in the records of the Duke of Norfolk Estates for 1581, which refer to a Fulling Mill and Cutler Wheel on the North Bank. For more information on Walk Mill Weir see: Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers, Crossley Ref: 621.21 SQF. See also: The Five Weirs Walk, Paul Griffiths. Ref: 942.74 S. View north along the River Don from Cobweb Bridge, Five Weirs Walk, Sussex Street showing derelict property at the rear of the former Don Saw Mill and Nos. 74-90 Saville House, Savile Street. 27th May 2005.c01196 Photographer, David Bocking. Derelict property at the rear of the Don Saw Mill, Saville Street from Sussex Street. 2006. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t03227&pos=11&action=zoom&id=33907 Fishing at Walk Mill Weir, River Don showing the fish ladder. 2006. https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t03228&pos=12&action=zoom&id=33908 Some sterling work there Ponytail, thanks very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Walk Mill Map 1849 and Britain From Above 1926: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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