RLongden Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Has anyone else seen this announcement on www.old-maps.co.uk? Assume this means the whole site will close down, whether you have a subscription or not? https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/ This is a real shame, as lots of detail on Sheffield locations were available here….. 😪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 What a shane ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I've found the National Library of Scotland site a useful place for maps. Try https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=53.37477&lon=-1.70450&layers=1&b=1 This has old maps overlaid with aerial shots. By using the slider you can fade from one to the other. There is a wide range of maps to choose from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I was told by the OS people that they were one of the main depositories of the Ordinance Survey out of copyright maps. Now that it's closing down (apart from Scotland) the rest of the UK will loose it's free access to old maps. The other places that the OS people gave me to look for maps were nearly all commercial companies of the type offering ground surveys for builders. Or those limited to a local area. You would have thought that the National Library in the UK would have something similar to that of Scotland - online. But no luck there. I think it's totally ridiculous that the Ordinance Survey archive should have been entrusted into oldmaps in the first place. The subscription fees were MASSIVE and people were not going to pay that price to look at old maps. Some websites suggest the Oxford or Cambridge websites to get maps, but these are not geared up at all for the public and are just really out-of-date academic institutions that should have been abolished years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLongden Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 You’ve obviously seen or used this site before too? https://www.oldmapsonline.org it’s a nice interface and navigation, which uses a lot of NLS maps and also other sources. It’s global too, so handy if you’d like a browse a little further afield? still a pity about old maps though, even if the zoom was limited to free users…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 That site as far as Sheffield is concerned seems to use only the Scotland source so it's easier just to go to the Scotland one. The other site did have more maps of Sheffield and in larger scales. Plus some more recent maps. I would suggest that if anyone has the time and a page capture software to get as many of the maps from the site before it closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS2021 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Some more old map sites : http://www.npemap.org.uk/tiles/map.html#143,129,2 https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/index.php?view=52.567696,-0.383938&map=NPEMap&layer=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Does anyone know why it's closing down. I don't recall seeing anything about it on the site. I wonder what will happen to the maps on it. Perhaps Sheffield History could get hold of them somehow? At least the Sheffield ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapysappy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Like history dude said ljbrary of scotland has all the same os maps as oldmaps. Plus picture sheiffeld has way way more maps of sheffield and yorkshire going way back under the popular topics section there are multiple map types. https://www.picturesheffield.com/themes.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I have sent them a message asking why they are closing and what will happen to the map collections. I will let you know if they respond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Such a pity Oldmaps.co.uk have several maps that Ive never found on other map sites, particularly earlier than 1900, always seemed damned expensive to subscribe just to zoom in and still be restricted to 300 maps per month. I shall miss this site greatly, was a tremendous help in locating old pre 1900 coal mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Ievers Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 There is always the 1890s 1:500 scale archive online at http://www.sheffieldarchivemaps.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, John E Ievers said: There is always the 1890s 1:500 scale archive online at http://www.sheffieldarchivemaps.co.uk/ Just tried it. Very poor search. Tried Victoria Station - no results. "Duke Street - several but not the Sheffield one! Norfolk Street - only took me to Rotherham!!!! Seems you can only search not view the maps themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 19 hours ago, History dude said: Just tried it. Very poor search. Tried Victoria Station - no results. "Duke Street - several but not the Sheffield one! Norfolk Street - only took me to Rotherham!!!! Seems you can only search not view the maps themselves. You are making it to complicated Dude! "Search Archive Maps" Enter "Sheffield" "Sheffield South Yorkshire" You are then presented with a selection grid over Sheffield, that can be moved around and zoomed in or out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Area covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Ievers Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 28/10/2021 at 09:28, SteveHB said: You are making it to complicated Dude! "Search Archive Maps" Enter "Sheffield" "Sheffield South Yorkshire" You are then presented with a selection grid over Sheffield, that can be moved around and zoomed in or out. Did you click on "View Archive Map"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History dude Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Well I didn't get a reply back. But the site has now been taken over by the Landmark Group. This is what they had to say: Over the last 10 years Landmark has partnered with the team at Old Maps to sell our historical mapping data to consumers keen to learn about local history or purchase printed maps for personal or decorative use. Viewing and printing these maps from the Old Maps website was limited under our license agreement to non-commercial users. Over the past 12 months, it became apparent that some of our professional services users were not clear about these restrictions and were choosing to use Old Maps as a reference tool as an alternative to accessing and purchasing historical maps under commercial license terms. As a result we have decided to focus our efforts on clarifying and improving our historical mapping offer to the professional services market. Regrettably, this means that we are no longer able to offer consumers access to the Old Maps website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLongden Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 02/11/2021 at 19:26, History dude said: Well I didn't get a reply back. But the site has now been taken over by the Landmark Group. This is what they had to say: Over the last 10 years Landmark has partnered with the team at Old Maps to sell our historical mapping data to consumers keen to learn about local history or purchase printed maps for personal or decorative use. Viewing and printing these maps from the Old Maps website was limited under our license agreement to non-commercial users. Over the past 12 months, it became apparent that some of our professional services users were not clear about these restrictions and were choosing to use Old Maps as a reference tool as an alternative to accessing and purchasing historical maps under commercial license terms. As a result we have decided to focus our efforts on clarifying and improving our historical mapping offer to the professional services market. Regrettably, this means that we are no longer able to offer consumers access to the Old Maps website. Yes, that’s the wording on the redirected landing page for old-maps.co.uk Seems that commercial users have spoiled it for the rest of us, by purchasing maps under non-commercial terms, rather than paying the costs to use them for commercial purposes? I would imagine that was almost impossible to police and enforce, so that’s why they had to close down the resource. Typical of the developers and construction companies who were maybe the likely culprits, to dodge paying a few quid for the maps, then make millions on the resulting housing / commercial projects 🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLongden Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 Not sure how long the 1:500 scale OS town maps have been available on NLS, but some really useful, detailed images here, zoomable right in, with none of the restrictions of the old-maps site https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=15&lat=53.38220&lon=-1.47656&layers=70&b=1&z=0&point=0,0 It says ‘in progress’, so hopeful of more maps and more years to be added, yet these turn of the century street maps show some interesting detail…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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