Malc00 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In 1945 the International Red Cross listed Lodge Moor as Camp number 17. In the same list they had another camp - 701 - which was later identified as 'Sheffield Camp'. The Forces Postal History Society have recorded mail from this camp from July 1944 to July 1946 and comment; “There may have been satellite camps around Sheffield using 701 with suffixes A/B/C/D/E/F" (Summer 2014 Vol XXX No 6). Does anyone know where this 'Sheffield Camp 701' was? (and any of its sub-camps). Thank you - Keep well. Malc00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 A report by Historic England is available by this link (though it doesn't answer your question): Historic England POW Camp Report Excerpt: Each Prisoner of War camp was allocated an official number during World War II within a prescribed numerical sequence, ranging from Camp 1 (Grizedale Hall, Ambleside) through to Camp1026 (Raynes Park, Wimbledon). This numbering sequence has posed problems for the assessment as some sites have different numbers at different dates (Quorn Camp, Leicestershire – Camp 9 and Camp 183), the same camp number can be used for different locations (Camp 17 – Lodge Moor Camp, Sheffield, and 22 Hyde Park Gardens, London) and some sites have a letter suffix rather than a distinctly different number (Camp 139b Coxhoe Hall, County Durham). Without further documentary research it is hard to tell whether the inconsistencies in the numbering system were the result of a deliberate policy, or of the fluidity of the situation. There is certainly documentation held in The National Archives to show that the British were unwilling to release the location of Prisoner of War camps to the Germans due to the fear of possible paratroop raids to release them. The Germans on the other hand indicated that they were seeking the information to ensure that they did not bomb the camps by mistake. The Sheffield Camps in this report were: Ref 17 Lodge Moor Camp, Redmires Road, Base Camp Pre-First World War army camp. Capacity substantially increased by the provision of tented accomodation. Guarded by double wire perimeter fences and watch towers. Footings and perimeter wall remain extant Ref 127 Potter's Hill, High Green, German Working Camp See Camp no.296 Ref 248 Norton Camp, Cinderhill Lane, Norton, German Precise location not identified, NGR Sheffield Working Camp given for approx feature centre of Cinderhill lane. Ref 296 Potter's Hill, High Green, German Working Camp See Camp no.127 (Ref 296 Ravensfield Park Camp, Rotherham Farmland) The journal here: Forces Postal History Journal states that camp 701 was "non communique". Multiple 701's here: According to an Italian person tracking the movements of POW relative, they were moved from Lodge Moor to camp 701. So possibly it was a local temporary transit camp, used as a staging point on their way home? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Russell Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In the '50s I clearly remember the Lodge Moor Camp, as we regularly passed the main entrance on Redmires Road. It was shut up and locked with everything in place as it had been. I saw it later (probably mid '60s) and all the huts had been demolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysandernovo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I recall as a small boy being told by Mum to ignore and not to talk to a load of men we passed doing some road works. I learned later they were POWs. As this was near New Parson Cross I imagine they came from Potter's Hill Camp, High Green....which I see was a German POW camp. I could swear Mum said they were Italians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover1949 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I believe that Italian POWs built the concrete roads on the new estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysandernovo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Thanks for that confirmation!☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJC Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Lodge Moor POW Camp was used to house hard line nazis, two of it’s guests were tried and hanged for murdering one of their fellow inmates. My late mother recalled a senior navel officer being allowed to visit the Three Merry Lads wearing full uniform, he was allowed out on his word that he would not use this trust as an excuse to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadFarmer Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I have a letter written from a German prisoner held in prison camp 248 at Norton Sheffield Sadly I have not been able to translate it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snozzle Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I have shown this letter to my German friend Holger who is going to try and translate it. He's having a problem with the clarity of the words but is going to use some software to hopefully highlight it all and make it more readable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadFarmer Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 On 23/04/2023 at 21:00, Snozzle said: I have shown this letter to my German friend Holger who is going to try and translate it. He's having a problem with the clarity of the words but is going to use some software to hopefully highlight it all and make it more readable. Did your friend Holger manage to translate any of the letter please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snozzle Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Hi Leadfarmer. Sorry, he's been off ill for a couple of weeks, but before that he said he could see that he was writing to a friend back home who's family owned a flower shop since 1902, and which he found out has only recently changed hands. He also mentioned that he was emailng it to his parents for their perusal. Hopefully he will get back to me soon with a full translation. I will update once he gets back to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadFarmer Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Many thanks for the reply, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Painted by Heinz Georg Lutz whilst he was a Prisoner of War at Prisoner of War Camp 17, Lodge Moor. 1945. u08766 Herr Lutz was an architect and ex-Wehrmacht Officer who was confined in the Camp, September 1945 - April 1948. Whilst he was a Prisoner of War he made several linocuts and watercolour sketches of the camp and the area around it. Artists Impression of Fairthorn Green Farm House and Top Dam at Redmires painted from up the rough moorland path looking down. (Information from S Hedges) u08764 Herr Heinz Georg 1945. Rear of The Sportsman Inn, No. 569 Redmires Road, painted by Heinz Georg Lutz whilst a prisoner of war at Prisoner of War Camp 17, Lodge Moor u08770 View of the pub, as it was in 1946, painted from within Lodge Moor Prisoner of War Camp. At some point after 1967 the large barn and rear chimney stacks were removed, and a flat roofed single storey extension for toilets added. Image s21584, taken in 1967, shows the large barn on the left and the tops of both rear chimneys can be seen above the roofline. Past Landlords were Farmers as well. Information: S Hedges. Reproduction of lino-cut drawing of Prisoner of War Camp 17. drawn by Heinz Georg Lutz. y03904 To make the lino cuts he used a piece of linoleum picked up probably somewhere in the camp's staff huts and used a razor blade to do the cuts. y03905 y03906 1946 See also: Miscellaneous Papers 6803M (215509365), Sheffield Local Studies Library, Central Library, Surrey Street, this being letter from Herr Lutz about his experiences as a POW at Lodge Moor Camp. Group Photograph taken at Prisoner of War Camp 17 (World War II), Redmires Road by Herr H.G. Lutz who had been imprisoned there from September 1945 to April 1948 and re-visited 1961. From left to right, Arthur Davies, Mrs Grob, and an unidentified gentleman who happened to be visiting at the same time, Mr Grob and another unidentified lady.t07162 Ex-Prisoner William Grob at WWII Prisoner of War Camp 17, Redmires Road. 1961. t07163. Photographer: H.G. Lutz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Sketch Plan by Mr. D Ludlam of the Prisoner of World War II Camp 17, Redmires Road. y03916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponytail Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Prisoners of War doing snow clearing at Lodge Moor. 1947. t03510 Photographer: City Engineers and Surveyors Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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