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The photo is of my grandmother and having known, her I would date the photo around 1960. I can't say that it was taken in Sheffield, but she didn't leave the local area much. I am intrigued to try and find out where the picture was taken, a long shot I know. What is intriguing me is the stone seated camel on the wall in the background which may be a bit unusual. Is she passing out from/entering into a park, a house, or some public property or other? Any help or knowledge would be appreciated.

 

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On 26/07/2020 at 13:31, Leipzig said:

The photo is of my grandmother and having known, her I would date the photo around 1960. I can't say that it was taken in Sheffield, but she didn't leave the local area much. I am intrigued to try and find out where the picture was taken, a long shot I know. What is intriguing me is the stone seated camel on the wall in the background which may be a bit unusual. Is she passing out from/entering into a park, a house, or some public property or other? Any help or knowledge would be appreciated.

 

Just a guess.... the camel was the emblem of Cammell Laird. Charles Cammell lived at Norton Hall - so perhaps there or Graves Park?

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11 hours ago, Edmund said:

Just a guess.... the camel was the emblem of Cammell Laird. Charles Cammell lived at Norton Hall - so perhaps there or Graves Park?

Hi Edmund

I didn't realise that there was a connection between the Cammell family and Norton Hall, but it seems a very good suggestion, thank you.

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Leipzig

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Hi Leipzig, are you absolutely sure it is a Camel. The hump on the back is not very big. Is there a possibility it is a statue of a Large, Hunting Hound, as the late 1800s and early 1900s, hunting shoots were a favourite past time of the higher classes, who much revered their good dogs, and some of the hounds were huge.

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On 28/07/2020 at 23:09, Edmund said:

Just a guess.... the camel was the emblem of Cammell Laird. Charles Cammell lived at Norton Hall - so perhaps there or Graves Park?

Looking into the Cammell Laird's Cammell theirs seems to have two humps.

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Hi Heartshome and syrup, thank you for your replies.

My knowledge of the object in the photo is only the same as anyone else's who looks at it I'm afraid. Personally I think it is a Dromedary camel, but that is only my impression and a differing opinion from another person may be equally correct. The only thing I would say is that generally speaking, someone creating a sculpture of this sort would tend to enhance the qualities of the object they were sculpturing, and personally I don't think that a strong proud hunting dog would have been depicted with any sort of humped back. However as I say that is only my impression, and I could easily be wrong.

I have googled trade marks for Johnson Cammell & co, Charles Cammell, and Cammell Laird & Co Ltd and most of the images for the trade marks depict a Bactrian camel (two humps) and not a Dromedary camel (one hump). However I found at least two references to the Charles Cammell trademark below, which is a Dromedary Camel. However I still look at the puzzle with an open mind as I do not want to go down the route of trying to make the evidence fit a preconceived solution as it were.

Thanks again

Leipzig

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The Cammell school at the junction of Chesterfield Road and Cobnar Road has a “ Camel ” carved over the entrance of the old school,  The Cammell family provided the funds for the building of the school.

 

 

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Is it a camel? Based on hip/leg structure, the hump, and allowing for artistic license on behalf of the sculptor? I like the hunting hound theory, but then is the neck too long for a dog? Apologies i don't have an answer

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20 hours ago, eldomsmith said:

Is it a camel? Based on hip/leg structure, the hump, and allowing for artistic license on behalf of the sculptor? I like the hunting hound theory, but then is the neck too long for a dog? Apologies i don't have an answer

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Hia, comparing the image !  See = Amazon Uk Fiesta Studio's Harriet Glen's Greyhound Lying Down Cold Cast Bronze sculpture

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29 minutes ago, Heartshome said:

Hia, comparing the image !  See = Amazon Uk Fiesta Studio's Harriet Glen's Greyhound Lying Down Cold Cast Bronze sculpture

Hi Heartshome

Good find. If only my ancestors had been able to invest in a bit better camera equipment (presuming it was one of them who took the photo) we would have a clearer idea of what exactly the animal was, but I suspect we will never know for sure, but thanks for your input, it is appreciated. It was one of those things where realistically I didn't expect to solve my puzzle, but would have always regretted not having tried, by posting the photo on the site. My hope was that someone might have had a memory of a camel sculpture being in the area around the time of the photo, a camel perhaps being a bit rare, that was my thinking. 

Regards

Leipzig

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1 hour ago, Leipzig said:

Hi Heartshome

Good find. If only my ancestors had been able to invest in a bit better camera equipment (presuming it was one of them who took the photo) we would have a clearer idea of what exactly the animal was, but I suspect we will never know for sure, but thanks for your input, it is appreciated. It was one of those things where realistically I didn't expect to solve my puzzle, but would have always regretted not having tried, by posting the photo on the site. My hope was that someone might have had a memory of a camel sculpture being in the area around the time of the photo, a camel perhaps being a bit rare, that was my thinking. 

Regards

Leipzig

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Keep hoping my friend, someone may surprise you one day. Best wishes Heartshome.

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