Which is tallest? Sheffield Town Hall or the Church on Norfolk Row?

[Sheffield History]

 

Take a look at this photo of Sheffield City Centre and the Town Hall with Vulcan sat right on top of the tower there.

Then take a look at the church on Norfolk Row.

It's the Cathedral Church Of St Marie, Sheffield on Norfolk Row.

The spire there looks almost as tall as Sheffield Town Hall's tower

Surely the city wouldn't have allowed that at the time of building the new Town Hall?



 

[Sheffield History]

What I thought was just a huge church spire on Norfolk Road actually turns out (ignore my ignorance - I'm learning here ha ha!) to be a Roman Catholic Cathedral!

 

Before the English Reformation the Church of England was part of the Roman Catholic Church, and Sheffield's medieval parish church of St. Peter (now the Cathedral Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul) was the principal Catholic church in the district. In 1534, during the reign of Henry VIII, the Church of England split from Rome, and Catholic worship was outlawed.

Until the 18th century, Catholics faced fines, loss of property and social exclusion, and Catholic priests were hunted down, imprisoned and martyred. The main landowners in Sheffield were the Dukes of Norfolk, and the Shrewsbury Chapel in the now Anglican parish church remained Catholic until 1933. During the reordering of St Mary's in 1970, at the invitation of the Anglican Cathedral, Mass was celebrated on the altar of the Shrewsbury Chapel once again. The Altar still retains its Catholic consecration crosses, and relics, making this possible.[

Mass was celebrated in a few houses of gentry in Sheffield, including in a house on Fargate that belonged to the Duke of Norfolk, which had a hidden chapel in its roof

[Sheffield History]

The Catholic Emancipation of the late 18th and early 19th century allowed Catholics to worship more openly. Sheffield Catholics bought the ageing house, which stood on the corner of Fargate and Norfolk Row. They built a small chapel in its back garden on a site which is now between the Mortuary and the Blessed Sacrament Chapels.

The names of the priests who served Sheffield before the Cathedral was built and the dates of their deaths are on the wall of the Mortuary Chapel. The rest of the land where the Cathedral now stands became a cemetery. (Bodies from the cemetery were moved to the new Catholic cemetery at St Bede's in Rotherham and work on St Marie's began.)

By 1846 the chapel was too small and the young priest, Fr. Pratt, was keen to build a church for the expanding town. A leading local architect, Matthew Ellison Hadfield, designed St Marie's, based on a 14th-century church at Heckington in Lincolnshire.[2] The church was expensively decorated with the aid of generous donations from the Duke of Norfolk, his mother and parishioners.

Fr. Pratt died while the church was being built and was buried at St Bede's. However, a stonemason, who had often heard him say he wanted to be buried in St Marie's, dug up the coffin and re‑buried Fr. Pratt in a tomb he had prepared near the altar. Fr Pratt's body still lies there and a plaque marks the spot, but his effigy has been moved to beneath the altar in the Mortuary chapel.

St Marie's was completed in 1850 and opened on 11 September. Building the church cost more than £10,500 – a huge sum in those days – and it was not until 1889 that the church was free from debt.

The Parish of St Marie's, which covered the whole of Sheffield, became part of the Diocese of Beverley in 1850, when Catholic dioceses were re-established for the first time since the Reformation. In 1902 a new presbytery, now known as Cathedral House, was opened.

During the Second World War a bomb blew out stained glass windows in the Blessed Sacrament chapel. The remaining windows were removed and stored in a shaft at Nunnery Colliery. The mine flooded during the war, the glass sunk in mud, and drawings for re‑creating the windows were destroyed, however it was still possible to re-install the windows in 1947.

When St Marie's was re-ordered in 1970, following Vatican II, dark woodwork was removed and new lighting and benches were installed. In 1972, a new altar, allowing Mass to be celebrated versus populum, was consecrated by Bishop Gerald Moverley, auxiliary Bishop of Leeds. The church is a Grade II* listed building and was first listed in 1973.[3]

On 30 May 1980 the new diocese of Hallam was created and St. Marie's became a cathedral. Bishop Moverley was installed as its first bishop and served until his death in 1996, after which Bishop John Rawsthorne became the second Bishop of Hallam.

An extensive programme of renovations caused the Cathedral to close in September 2011, re-opening in November 2012. During that time the sanctuary was extended into the crossing and reordered, a new cathedra was installed and the choir moved to the west end of the building. Side chapels and roofing was restored, in some cases revealing original features previously hidden. New heating and toilet facilities have also been installed.

During the restoration process, a collection of Nottingham alabaster carvings, mostly originating from the 15th century, were discovered and also underwent extensive restoration, finally going on display in the Cathedral cloisters in April 2017.

Following the re-opening in November 2012, Bishop John Rawsthorne retired at the age of 78. In July 2014, Bishop Ralph Heskett was installed as the third Bishop of Hallam.

The Cathedral has eight bells, and is one of few Catholic churches equipped for change ringing. Steel bells were first installed in 1861, before being replaced with bronze ones in 1874.

In recent years, the Cathedral has been developed as a place of significant public interest, and as an especially fine concert venue, having hosted many of the finest choral ensembles in the world.

[Gamal]

Very interesting and informative bit of history about St Marie's Cathedral. Thanks 

[Sheffield History]

3 hours ago, Gamal said:

Very interesting and informative bit of history about St Marie's Cathedral. Thanks 

First time I've read it too.

[MartinR]

@Sheffield History I've just looked up the details of the bells in Dove's Guide https://dove.cccbr.org.uk/detail.php?DoveID=SHEFFIELD It has a 25cwt tenor in D which ought to be a nice powerful sound.  Unfortunately YouTube doesn't appear to have any recordings of them.

[lysandernovo]

"Good King Hal" was  originally very supportive of the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed, so supportive was he in opposing the likes of Martin Luther, that he was given, by the Pope, the title "Defender of the Faith" ( FD can still be seen on our coinage). He made a very political break with the Church ( and, arguably Europe) in order to marry Anne Boleyn. In so doing and hardly coincidentally, he also took over all the wealth  of the Roman Church in England, destroying monasteries as he went and generally acting  akin to a barbarian as regards the church...covering over centuries old wall paintings with white wash for instance!

[SteveHB]

 

[antony]

Up until recently, i worked in the building next to the Cathedral on Norfolk row, Up on the second floor.

From the side windows, all we could see was the side of the church, and the stained glass windows. One day as i was on the phone, looking through the office window, i noticed something that i’d not noticed before - and certainly wouldn’t ever be seen from the street - see if you can spot it !! (Top right of window)

I also took a shot of the window just before Christmas after dark, as again, not something anyone would see !!

 

[MartinR]

Is that an owl just above the dripstone?  Alternatively, is it a stone carving to keep the pigeons away?

[antony]

2 hours ago, MartinR said:

Is that an owl just above the dripstone?  Alternatively, is it a stone carving to keep the pigeons away?

Yup, its a carved owl. Im assuming that before the surrounding buildings were erected, they had a problem of some kind.

Didn’t spot any others When I had a look round it after spotting this one.

[Jim2000]

Has anyone answered the question of this thread, which one is taller? 

My guess is that Vulcan, as a pagan icon, was placed the highest.

His Greek equivalent Hephaestus is carved on the arch of the Green Lane Works (with the goddess Athena on the other side). There’s also a couple of Mercury statues in city centre - one on the High Street (on top of the old Post Office building) and one on top of the Lyceum.

[Sheffield History]

2 hours ago, Jim2000 said:

Has anyone answered the question of this thread, which one is taller? 

My guess is that Vulcan, as a pagan icon, was placed the highest.

His Greek equivalent Hephaestus is carved on the arch of the Green Lane Works (with the goddess Athena on the other side). There’s also a couple of Mercury statues in city centre - one on the High Street (on top of the old Post Office building) and one on top of the Lyceum.

 

The clock tower is 64 meters high - I know that much from Wikipedia

But I can't find the height of the cathedral on Norfolk Row

[RLongden]

2 hours ago, Sheffield History said:

 

The clock tower is 64 meters high - I know that much from Wikipedia

But I can't find the height of the cathedral on Norfolk Row

60.05m, so Town Hall is taller by almost 4m

https://www.emporis.com/buildings/151027/st-maries-cathedral-sheffield-united-kingdom

[Sheffield History]

 

Good spot!

[RLongden]

6 minutes ago, Sheffield History said:

 

Good spot!

Same site puts Town Hall at 61.27m though???

https://www.emporis.com/buildings/151025/sheffield-town-hall-sheffield-united-kingdom

 Maybe it’s 61.27m to the tip of the tower, plus Vulcan’s height to outstretched hand? = 64m overall?

https://public-art.shu.ac.uk/sheffield/rag89.html