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I am really struggling to find large scale OS maps of the area around Victoria Station for the years 1966 to 1968. The same scale as the one's from the 50's on this site 1:1250.

I know you can't reproduce them on here, but a full scale search of the internet has revealed not even a commercial source for them. Even the OS site itself has no mention of any maps early than 1960. There's nothing on E-Bay in that scale for Sheffield. The Scotland one has them, but only for Scotland.

Don't know if Local Studies has them, or can supply copies of them.

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You will not find areas in the 1/1250 Ordnance Survey plans for specific years.This was a completely new survey at this scale in Urban Areas started in 1950. Rural areas were updated at the 1/2500 scale previously found on the County Series plans, and some 1/2500 sheets were produced in town areas by scaling down 1/1250 survey information (no house numbers were shown on these).

The OS had a 'Continuous Revision' scheme where updated versions of the 1/1250 sheets could be requested when areas were newly developed or demolition work undertaken. The Statutory Undertakers made extensive use of this survey for their records of pipes, cables etc.and ,I imagine, still do. Because of the random nature of this work, you will find no consistency of year dates, the first 1/1250 plans produced (Sheffield started in 1950) were allocated the letter 'A'. This appears at the bottom left-hand corner of the sheet, subsequent revisions moving to the next letter of the alphabet (eg B...C...D...). Change to Metric heights took place around 1970 and an example of this can be found on this website:    https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/436154/387798/13/100765    Select the OS plan 1963-1970 1/1250.

Sheffield City Council had all the relevant Ordnance Survey Licences to reproduce these plans for their Engineers and Architects and Estates Departments. Do they still have a Printing Department? Surely all those 'negative' master-copies are stored somewhere safe in archives.

Unfortunately (Sod's Law again) the Sheffield Victoria Station site falls on four different 1/1250 sheets! 

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The old maps one a bit strange, it has some areas that are just about blank, but (for example) the railway tunnel of the midland line appears. Further down a whole bunch of lines just stops into a white block.

Despite it saying 1963 on it, it is certainly a 1970 map. Since Victoria is closed on it.

I would have thought that any SCC maps would be in Local Studies or the Archives. But there is no online search for either and explaining what is wanted in e-mail (which knowing the Council these days would be ignored) is not going to be easy. I would rather source them elsewhere if it is possible.  

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Yes, the old-maps site appears to have stitched together whatever plans they have managed to acquire be they original "1st Editions" of the early 50's or subsequent revised plans. This has resulted in a number of oddities when mismatched dated sheets have been joined to provide a 'rolling map' facility, by scrolling.

Maybe SteveHB can offer some information regarding a likely source of 1/1250 plans having been heavily involved in producing this site's excellent library of local plans.

Why not try an e-mail to Shoreham Street to see if they can source any versions of 1/1250 sheet SK 3687NW and/or 1/2500 SK 3687 (if printed), I've had helpful responses in the past to my requests.  

 

 

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22 hours ago, Voldy said:

You will not find areas in the 1/1250 Ordnance Survey plans for specific years.This was a completely new survey at this scale in Urban Areas started in 1950. Rural areas were updated at the 1/2500 scale previously found on the County Series plans, and some 1/2500 sheets were produced in town areas by scaling down 1/1250 survey information (no house numbers were shown on these).

The OS had a 'Continuous Revision' scheme where updated versions of the 1/1250 sheets could be requested when areas were newly developed or demolition work undertaken. The Statutory Undertakers made extensive use of this survey for their records of pipes, cables etc.and ,I imagine, still do. Because of the random nature of this work, you will find no consistency of year dates, the first 1/1250 plans produced (Sheffield started in 1950) were allocated the letter 'A'. This appears at the bottom left-hand corner of the sheet, subsequent revisions moving to the next letter of the alphabet (eg B...C...D...). Change to Metric heights took place around 1970 and an example of this can be found on this website:    https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/436154/387798/13/100765    Select the OS plan 1963-1970 1/1250.

Sheffield City Council had all the relevant Ordnance Survey Licences to reproduce these plans for their Engineers and Architects and Estates Departments. Do they still have a Printing Department? Surely all those 'negative' master-copies are stored somewhere safe in archives.

Unfortunately (Sod's Law again) the Sheffield Victoria Station site falls on four different 1/1250 sheets! 

I have a map of Parson Cross taken from when we demolished part of Meynell School, bit battered and torn, it was from the dept of planning and design, scale of 1:2500 and shows house numbers.

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What year was that neddy?  There are gaps in the Master-grid Index in the Southey/Parson Cross areas, maybe yours covers one of the missing areas.

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3 hours ago, Voldy said:

What year was that neddy?  There are gaps in the Master-grid Index in the Southey/Parson Cross areas, maybe yours covers one of the missing areas.

No idea on the age of the map no date shown in the date box it was 1970's when we did the work at Meynell we took the small buildings down.

It measures roughly 3ft by 4ft  rather fragile but still readable.

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