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Having spent many years  working beside a part of the TT route to Rotherham I used my "twirlie" pass the other day for a trip. Unrecognisable!... with the rolling mill for which I spent many years working now being a part of a woody scene. I wonder if other members have used the service?

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40 minutes ago, lysander said:

Having spent many years  working beside a part of the TT route to Rotherham I used my "twirlie" pass the other day for a trip. Unrecognisable!... with the rolling mill for which I spent many years working now being a part of a woody scene. I wonder if other members have used the service?

Hello  lysander  , as I have not seen Sheffield for many years, and have little knowledge of the Tram Train, the next time you use it could you take a few pictures/films please?  I did see the new tram/light railway system to Meadowhall in its early years, but how does it now get to Rotherham, does it switch to the railway lines or have the laid more tram tracks?

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It turns off the Supertram system at Tinsley South tram tramstop, passes under Tinsley viaduct on a new bit of track then joins the old railway lines towards Rotherham Central, continues to the back of Parkgate retail park where a siding and platform have been installed.

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Despite the fact that tram-trains have been in use throughout Europe for years, in typical British style we are "experimenting!"with the concept...hence the extension to Rotherham ( originally the proposal was for a diesel/electric service to Huddersfield) The "experiment" was years behind schedule and £millions over budget but, at long last ,now operational and , by all accounts, already seen to be something of a success. The new rolling stock is unique being able to run on both heavy and light rail and  cope with Sheffield's hills and vales!!

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There are 7 of the Tram Trains, although I believe only 4 are designed to work the Rotherham service, and one of those is out of action having hit a lorry on the first day of the new service!

The problem is the difference in wheel profile between light and heavy rail, so a compromise wheel profile and track profile has been evolved. Tram Trains that run to Rotherham can only operate between Cathedral and Parkgate, this part of the track has been profiled to accept the revised wheels.

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Lemmy17 is correct about only four Tram Trains having the correct wheel profiles to operate on heavy rail lines.  Initially these were 201-204 but the first day altercation resulted in 206 being given such profiles.  Today's altercation involving I believe 202 may mean 205 or 207 might need similar treatment.

Three are required for the Parkgate service with the fourth normally on the depot in reserve..  

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I wonder if apart from fitting the different bogies they also need the Network Rail signalling equipment fitting, or do they all have this fitted as standard?

Seems strange that within a couple of weeks there have been two incidents at the same junction with the new vehicles, while in the previous 20 odd years there have seen virtually none.

Nigel L

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On ‎01‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 16:49, Lemmy117 said:

I wonder if apart from fitting the different bogies they also need the Network Rail signalling equipment fitting, or do they all have this fitted as standard?

Seems strange that within a couple of weeks there have been two incidents at the same junction with the new vehicles, while in the previous 20 odd years there have seen virtually none.

Nigel L

I wonder if the TT accelerates faster than the older trams and where road drivers have been used to going thru 'just red' traffic lights and beating the tram these two have been 'caught' by the TT? Only a thought  and may be completely wrong.

As noted by ysander that 'the "experiment" being years behind schedule and £millions over budget' does rather make one wonder what to expect from HS2.

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That is a possibility, I'm led to believe that the older trams normally run on restricted power and effectively run at half available acceleration. I don't know whether the TT's are so equipped.

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After the recent Tram Train incidents which resulted in 399202 and 399204 being damaged, speculation was rife as to which other TT would be pressed into service on the Parkgate route. Well it appears that now we have another tram running around made up of the best bits of others.

399202 entered service again on Tuesday 18th December, it is made up of 2 parts of 202 and 1 part of 204.

This trams joins 102, 111, 118 and 120 as being made up of parts of other vehicles.

Nigel L

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On 15/11/2018 at 22:17, boginspro said:

Hello  lysander  , as I have not seen Sheffield for many years, and have little knowledge of the Tram Train, the next time you use it could you take a few pictures/films please?  I did see the new tram/light railway system to Meadowhall in its early years, but how does it now get to Rotherham, does it switch to the railway lines or have the laid more tram tracks?

I make occasional visits to Sheffield and have a few photos. I shall be back in March with my husband who likes to film things, so I should have some film to share at a later date.

From the days of test running before the passenger service started, car 202 coming off the new line at Meadowhall South/Tinsley

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Car 204 waiting on the curve. It is a very tight curve.

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A visit in late December:

Cars 201 & 206 at the low height platforms at Rotherham Central Station

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206 passing the heavy rail platforms at Rotherham

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 206 approaching Parkgate

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206 at the Parkgate terminus

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206 leaving Parkgate and rejoining the main line

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The other end of the route: Cathedral

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Although a couple of heavy rail trains were seen passing Parkgate, the chance to get shots of main line trains and tram-trains together was scuppered by train guards being on strike. As my next visit will be on a Friday there should (hopefully) be a proper train service running. I am also looking to use additional locations for photography and filming as I will have more time.

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