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In preparedness' for the South Yorkshire Transport Trust Open Day on Sunday I have been updating my lists of surviving buses with a local connection. Having now found away to convert and save these in a compatible format for this forum I can now make these available.   The first can be found below and lists the survivors that were once in the fleets of Sheffield Transport Department / Joint Omnibus Committee,56457614_SurvivingSYPTEbuses001.thumb.jpg.7c145b44045217bb9134071a481ac7df.jpg  

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The bus that was to me the best I ever drove is listed there, but it is a shame she was cut down. 475 is a lovely vehicle, just my kind of bus, she could knock nine bells out of the modern front loaders.. All the Leyland's  were powerful but with the engine she had in the last years before being retired she could lick anything.

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A few additions to the list:-

Cut down from double deckers and still knocking around

M3 OWJ 353A in Blackpool area

M4 OWJ 354A in Blackpool area

M16 OWJ 782A in South Yorkshire Transport Trust (SYTT) Rotherham

And subtract from the list 

61 C61 LHL Ford Transit / Carlyle - recently scrapped.

Others in existence used by STD/SYT but not new to either:-

M1 DUG 167C ex-Blueline now SYTT

M18 BWW 654B ex- T. Severn & Sons in Doncaster now in Keighley bus museum

 

Nigel L

 

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Nigel's post prompts me to add the list of survivors from Doncaster and Rotherham Corporations and the independents from these areas.  634104042_SurvivingSYPTEbuses003.thumb.jpg.d83a6ba3b67ec091d3c09c3c3bbf7821.jpg621771428_SurvivingSYPTEbuses004.thumb.jpg.4208c407727f40a02d703d45f7215855.jpg 

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...just an update on 287 - SWB 287L - formally converted to open-top during its SYT/ Mainline days - now superbly restored and with its roof back on , and finished in Sheffield Transport livery as it was when new !

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On ‎10‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 19:49, Transit2 said:

...just an update on 287 - SWB 287L - formally converted to open-top during its SYT/ Mainline days - now superbly restored and with its roof back on , and finished in Sheffield Transport livery as it was when new !

Indeed, I was very impressed with the restoration when I saw it at the SYTT Open Day in July.

Any one who was able to attend the,  what I presume was a very hastily arranged, Open Day at Olive Grove (Eastbank in old money) Depot  in September was no doubt shocked to see 287's sister 293.  I had presumed 293 UWA 293L  was no more but seemingly not.  It is now also part of the SYTT collection - another update to the list. 

Personally, I only heard about the Open Day two weeks before and too late to juggle other commitments.  Those usually in the know seeming to know little or nothing about it at that stage either.   

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....another Open Day will be arranged around June/July next year Peter - i will update when the date is confirmed !

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Nice to see a Crossley on the list, even if it is not a Sheffield one. Am I right in saying 213 was the last Crossley delivered to Rotherham? I know there was a 214 fleet number.  Does anyone know what happened to the Crossley engine that was on display at Greenland Road?  I think in the driving school after the last Crossley came out of service.

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On ‎27‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 21:58, boginspro said:

Nice to see a Crossley on the list, even if it is not a Sheffield one. Am I right in saying 213 was the last Crossley delivered to Rotherham? I know there was a 214 fleet number. 

Thought this would be quite easy to answer until I spotted a glaring omission in the published Rotherham Corporation Transport Fleet Histories I consulted. All these omitted the 1952 batch of Crossley Double Deckers!  Perhaps the reason for the question? Anyhow, further delving reveals these to be 209 - 214  HET 209-214.  However, the chassis numbers are not in numerical sequence when it comes to road registrations and quoted delivery months.

95903  HET 509  209  5/52

95904  HET 510  210  6/52

95905  HET 511  211  6/52

95906  HET 512  212  7/52

95907  HET 514 214  9/52

95908 HET 513 213  8/52

Thus, although 213 was the last Crossley built for Rotherham it was not the last delivered.  .

 As far as I am aware 213 is still tucked away in a bomb proof hanger at the Science Museum store at Wroughton Airfield near Swindon.  Public Access is now very restricted if permitted at all.

Can't say too much on a public forum other than to say an approach was made about displaying 213 at the Midland Road Open Day in 2014.  Unfortunately the hoops were set too high for it to have been practical.  The hope had been to display all two and a half surviving RCT Motor buses together but in the event only 135 made it, 

With so few RCT motor buses surviving it is to be hoped that 213 can return home at some point in the future. The South Yorkshire Transport Museum being an ideal home especially since 220 has departed for Beamish.  

 Hope this digression into Rotherham is within the permitted boundaries of this forum.  

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Thanks Peter  , I did drive Rotherham buses on the odd occasion, only Daimlers mind, and they were really nice to drive, it is a pity there are so few left.

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10 hours ago, boginspro said:

Thanks Peter  , I did drive Rotherham buses on the odd occasion, only Daimlers mind, and they were really nice to drive, it is a pity there are so few left.

We called them  "Rotherham Tankers".  W/E.

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57 minutes ago, Waterside Echo said:

We called them  "Rotherham Tankers".  W/E. 

I remember that term and from that I am guessing you were a Greenland Road driver.

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In the early SYPTE days some of the Rotherham Daimlers were transferred to Doncaster and Greenland garages although use on 69, 277 & 278 routes resulted in it not always being obvious that this had taken place. For a lesser period a very small number also saw use at Herries and Leadmill.   Previously a small number had appeared in Sheffield in 1973  during a period of vehicle shortage.

The Daimlers were certainly referred to as 'Rotherham Tankers' by Greenland crews, presumably a reflection of them having a more lively performance when compared with the former Sheffield AEC's and Leylands.  

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Having not so far been reprimanded for straying over the boundary into Rotherham I will tempt fate by adding an updated list of all known survivors of Rotherham Corporation Transport (RCT) motorbuses, trolleybuses and support vehicles in Great Britain, three in each category. Actually a very small number when compared with other municipal operations of a similar size. 

Of particular note is FET 218 the Austin K8 Welders Truck dating back to 1949.  Although sold into preservation by SYPTE in 1977 it had been presumed the lack of any reports in recent years were an indication that it no longer survived. That however was not the case and in the last couple of months ownership has changed and it has returned to South Yorkshire.  Despite being stored in the open for over twenty years it is in reasonable condition with a full restoration expected to get underway shortly  No photographs of FET 218 in service have yet emerged so if anyone has any please make contact. It now has a pick-up style of back which during its later days had a frame with canvas cover.  Whether this was how it was originally configured is not known for sure as a previous owner recalls that it may have originally had a conventional van body that was cut down by RCT at some point. Thus the appeal for photographs.

Although a number of Austin K8's have been restored, pictures of which can be found on the net, none have a similar pick up style back which does suggest that the one on FET 218  may be a product of the Rawmarsh Road body shop.    

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Whilst upgrading my knowledge about Wroughton Museum online (I made a speculative unsuccessful call there some years ago whilst in the area), I came across this:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-42456778 

If you scroll down the article there is a glimpse of RCT Crossley 213 in an unfriendly photographic environment between two fellow prisoners! The local Swindon paper has run encouraging columns over the past couple of years though the lack of funding will no doubt continue to stall any progress on this Museum.

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On 14/11/2018 at 22:28, boginspro said:

I remember that term and from that I am guessing you were a Greenland Road driver.

No, I just did a lot of "suet" in the 60s&70s. I spent my career at Sheffield's "premier" depot north of the city.  W/E.

 

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On ‎21‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 18:57, Transit2 said:

....another Open Day will be arranged around June/July next year Peter - i will update when the date is confirmed !

Understand it was quite well publicised on buses the users of which were presumably the principal audience.  Spoke to someone who took their son and they gave it the thumbs up.

There was a time when the local bus, trolleybus and tram networks reflected civic pride. Open days I feel are a good way of rekindling that especially when a selection of vehicles from the past in traditional colours are included.  

The efforts of those involved in making these things happen are appreciated.   

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With the South Yorkshire Transport Trust 2019 Open Day a few days away I been updating my lists of Surviving SYPTE and Constituents buses.  Below is my listing of SJOC/STD vehicles along with those of the absorbed independents that ran into Sheffield.  

Surviving Sheffield (SJOC/STD) motorbuses

Single-deckers

 

216      JWB 416        Leyland PS1 / Weymann

 

54        DWB 54H      AEC Swift / Park Royal

 

Double-deckers

 

116      OWE 116       AEC Regent III / Roe

 

687      RWB 87         Leyland PD2/12 / Weymann

 

525      1925 WA        AEC Bridgemaster / Park Royal

 

1156    3156 WE        Leyland PD2/30 / Roe

(3156)

 

904      3904 WE        Leyland PD3/1 / Roe  (used as DIV)

(D14)

 

1330    6330 WJ         AEC Regent V / Roe

 

874      7874 WJ         AEC Regent V / Alexander   

 

1357    657 BWB        Leyland Atlantean PDR1/1 / Park Royal  (used as DIV)

(227 – M120)

 

1148    DWB 148H    Leyland Atlantean PDR2/1 / Park Royal converted to roadshow bus

(748)

 

257      NWA 257K    Daimler Fleetline /Alexander

 

271      OWE 271K    Bristol VRT / East Lancs

 

287      SWB 287L     Leyland Atlantean / Alexander

 

293      UWA 293L    Leyland Atlantean / Alexander

 

296      UWA 296L    Leyland Atlantean / Alexander

 

312      UWA 312L    Leyland Atlantean / East Lancs

 

754      WWJ 754M   Daimler Fleetline / Park Royal

 

Ordered by STD delivered to SYPTE

 

836      GNA 836N     Daimler Fleetline / ECW

 

1515    OKW 515R    Daimler Fleetline / MCW (DMS style) – were to have been Alexander

 

1534    PWE 534R     Daimler Fleetline / Alexander

 

Double-deckers cut down

 

3108    CWJ 410        AEC Regent / Weymann converted to tower wagon

(TW58)

 

4624    GWJ 724        AEC Regent / Sheffield converted to gritting/towing wagon

(G54)  

 

255      KWE 255       AEC Regent III / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon

(G55)

 

913      3913 WE        Leyland PD3/1 / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon

(M10)  (OWJ 357A)

 

475      4475 WE        Leyland PD3/1 / Roe converted to gritting/towing wagon

(M52)  (OWJ 388A)  

 

Double-deckers re-bodied after disposal

 

287      CWB 987       Leyland TD4C / Cravens

( re-bodied c1952 by Crossville with ex Salford Metro-Cammell body)

 

Surviving Sheffield (SJOC/STD) support vehicles

 

T47      KWJ 681        Fordson TN Tractor

 

L42      RWE 101       Leyland Comet Lorry

 

Surviving Booth & Fisher Motor Services motorbuses

 

Single-deckers

 

----       TUH 14          Albion Nimbus NS3N / Harrington  (ex Western Welsh)

 

----       WRA 12         AEC Monocoach / Park Royal

 

1086    334 NKT        AEC Reliance 2MU3RV / Weymann  (ex Maidstone & District)

 

1088    340 NKT        AEC Reliance 2MU3RV / Weymann  (ex Maidstone & District)

 

Surviving Dearneways motorbuses

 

Single-deckers

 

1092    AWJ 292T     Leyland Leopard PSU3E/4R / Plaxton C51F

            (368 SHX)

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An updated list of Surviving vehicles acquired new / second hand or loaned to SYPTE.

Surviving South Yorkshire PTE motorbuses

 

Single-deckers

 

80        KCR 108P     Leyland National 10351/2R / Leyland  (ex Portsmouth)

 

79        KSO 74P        Leyland National 10351/2R / Leyland  (ex Grampian)

 

11        AAK 111T     Leyland National 10351B/1R / Leyland

 

1075    FWA 475V     Leyland National NL106L11/1R / Leyland

 

22        KWA 22W     Leyland National NL116L11/1R / Leyland

 

76        B976 DWG    Dennis Dorchester / Plaxton

(B674 GWJ)

 

41        C41 HDT       Dennis Domino / Optare

 

53        C53 HDT       Dennis Domino / Optare

 

Single-deckers hired during 1981 crisis

 

1972    GAT 180D     Leyland Panther PSUR1/1 / Roe  (hired from Kingston upon Hull CT 3-4/81)

 

Single-deckers hired for trials and evaluation

 

1004    GNC 276N     Seddon-Lucas / Pennine (hired from GMPTE)

 

Bendi-buses

 

2006    CRM 927T     Leyland-DAB / Leyland

 

2009    FHE 292V      Leyland-DAB / Leyland

 

2010    FWA 450V     Leyland-DAB / Leyland

 

2013    C113 HDT     Leyland-DAB /Leyland-DAB

 

Double-deckers

 

377      LWB 377P     Ailsa B55-10 / Van-Hool McArdle

 

388      LWB 388P     Ailsa B55-10 / Van-Hool McArdle

 

1647    XWG 647T    Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe

 

1655    XWG 655T    Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe

 

1696    CWG 696V    Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Alexander

 

1707    CWG 707V    Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Alexander

 

1756    CWG 756V    Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R / Roe

 

1861    JHE 161W     Metrobus DR104 / MCW

 

1781    JKW 281W    Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Alexander

 

1790    JKW 290W    Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Alexander

 

1831    JKW 331W    Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R / Marshall

 

2120    KKU 120W    Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2214    NKU 214X     Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2260    SDT 260Y      Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2298    A298 XAK     Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2317    A317 XAK     Dennis Dominator / Northern Counties

 

1918    A118 XWE    Metrobus DR104 / MCW

 

2414    A414 YAK     Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2361    B361 CDT      Dennis Domiator / East Lancs                       

           

2450    C45 HDT       Dennis Dominator / Alexander –hybrid trolleybus

 

2457    C877 JWE     Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2462    C882 JWE     Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2479    D479 OWE    Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

2489    D489 OWE    Dennis Dominator / Alexander

 

Double-deckers hired during 1981 crisis

 

1964    PBC 98G        Leyland Atlantean PDR1A/1 / ECW (hired from Leicester CT 3-6/81)

 

1938    WHN 411G    Bristol VRTSL6G / ECW (hired from Lincolnshire RCC 4/81) 

 

Double-deckers hired for trials and evaluation

 

500      TOJ 592S       Metrobus DR101/2 / MCW  (hired from MCW – famous five)

 

530      NHG 732P     Leyland Titan B15 / Park Royal (hired from Leyland – famous five)

 

Surviving SYPTE Support vehicles

 

M51     DSA 987         AEC Matador Recovery (previously Salford City Transport)

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