Chillijo Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 My 3 × great grandfather was a scissor smith, according to the 1841 census he was a 15 year old apprentice scissor smith living in Harvest Lane, on the 1851 census he was married with a family living in Furnace Hill still a scissor smith. Can anyone help with any information as to where he may have worked, wages, living conditions etc.... Sadly he died in 1852 aged 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Sorry, without knowing his name it's unlikely. In general an edge tool worker in the 1840s would earn about 2s 6d a week, but there were many factors which would vary this. To make sense of it, you would also need to know the cost of housing, food and clothing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 The age of his death gives you a clue of his living and working conditions of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tozzin Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Here's a photo for you Furnace Hill on the Right and Copper Street on the left. Looking at all the children shows they certainly didn't have a T.V.! RESIDENTS OF FURNACE HILL 1852 as you can see two mentions of Scissor Manufacturers but without knowing a name from Chillijo its hard to say if any of these was the relation they are seeking. Furnace Hill. 15 Longden & C o. founders Marsden W. & R. cutlers R rammer & Co. emery suppliers 12 Rabjohn Elijah, manufacturer ( Rabjohn Elijah, scissor mfr. ; lived on Suffolk street) 24 Winter James, manufacturer 2o Webster John, beer-house ( scissor manufacturer. and beer-house, ) 26 Wells Joseph, manufacturer 26 Epworth G. beer-house 32 Tasker J. shopkeeper 34 Jennings Wm. tailor 38 Wragg J. & Son, manufacturers 40 Wragg S. C. Manufacturer 42 Cooper Ann, Beer-house 46 Dean Henry, Victualler 1\8 Atkin John. Manufacturer 62 Nicholson J. Shoemaker 76 Elliott Thos. Victualler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillijo Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 Thank you for your replies & photo. I would be delighted to see anymore. My ancestor was called Henry Upton & he lived at no.27 Furnace Hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 By 1840 the Company of Cutlers had lost its ability to enforce rules and apprentices would not necessarily have to serve seven years and there was no restriction on the number of apprentices that a master could take on. Henry aged 15, was lodging with Matthew Oakes and it is almost certain that Oakes was his master. Oakes had another apprentice, John Davison, who was committed in April 1846 for 2 months for disorderly conduct, and the newspaper report stated that Davison was the apprentice of Matthew Oakes of Harvest Lane. The Harvest Lane premises were overrun with mice. In April 1840 a 12 year old girl with the surname Parrott, who was employed by Matthew Oates as a cleaner, ate a portion of oatmeal laced with arsenic that had been left out to deal with the mice. She “stoutly denied” having eaten it, but became ill and confessed too late for medical aid to save her. When Henry married Sarah Rainforth Machin in November 1842 his address was Bridgehouses and his profession was scissorsmith, so presumably he completed his apprenticeship in 1842. On Saturday 27th December 1846 Matthew Oakes, Scissor Manufacturer of Harvest Lane died aged 67. This possibly forced Henry to either set up on his own if he had not already moved out, or find a new employer, and would have forced a change of dwelling on him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 The only reference to a No 27 is in 1833, below, after that No 27 seems to cease to exist as does Battys Yard and court 27. I cannot find any Henry Upton that lived in or near Furnace Hill. 1833 Batty's yards, 27, Furnace hill; and 11, Castle folds Hall Thos. brass &: white metal founder, screwmaker. &: hardware dealer. court 27, Furnace hill, and 35, South street ------------------------------- 1856 Furnace Hill. 15 Longden & Co. founders. 25 Porter Wm. Henry 18 Staniforth George 24 Winter Mary, mfr 26 Allender T. beerhs Epworth G. beerhouse Marsden Robert Wells Jpb. fender mfr Nor ton, Simmons, and Ward 32 Wright Wm. shopkeeper 38 Charlesworth John 40 Webster John, mfr 42 Cooper Ann, shopkeeper 45 Dean Henry, vict 58 Atkin John, manfr 62 Nicholson J. shoemaker 72 Ratherham J. vict ------------------------------------- 1862 Furnace Hill. 15 Longden and Co., Phoenix foundry 31 Simpson Saml.,scale presser 33 Epworth George, shopkeeper Ibbotson J.D.& R.,ivory cutters Winter Mary. A., spring.knife.manufacturer Norton., Simmons, and Co., Union Foundry Thomas C. H., scissor forger Wells Joseph, fender maker Ellis James, scissor maker 12 Micklethwaite Vincent, chapel keeper Staniforth George, foreman 22 Staniforth W. C., shopkeeper 24 Stubbing George, tailor 26 Bower Nathaniel, beerhouse Crowther W., tallow chandler 30 Greaves Wm., iron broker 36 White Joseph, greengrocer Simpson Saml., haft presser ( same Samuel listed at No 31) 40 Webster John,scissor manufacturer 42 Cooper Ann, shopkeeper Pryor George, shield maker ? 47 Allender Thos.,vict.,The Ball 58 Atkin John, clock maker Jarvis J ames, spring knife.manufacturer 62 Nicholson John,bootmaker 74 Ratherham John, vict.,Grapes ------------------------------------------------- 1879 Longden &Co. stove grate etc. manufacturers 23 Mallender James, shopkeeper Court 1 and Copper street 33 Beatson Charles, shopkeeper Pitts R & Sons, scissors manufacturers Pearson F.G.& Co.edge tool etc .manufacturers 67 Bowling Charles, timekeeper Thomas Charles H. scissors forger Court 3-1 Brook Ellis, coal dealer 14 Webster James, warehouseman Courts 2 and 4: 26 Foster Mrs Ann, beerhouse, &c Court 6 30 Greaves Wm. scrap dealer 32 Foster J ames and Co. tallow chandlers, etc 36 McLoughlin John, firewood dealer Court 8 - Horton Edward, farrier 38 Chapman George, shopkeeper 40 Webster Mrs Charlotte, scissors. manufacturer 42 Cooper Mrs Mary, shopkeeper Court 10 - Eaton Samuel, shear manufacturer 44 Pope Benjamin C.Victualler Courts 12 and 14 56 Wildblood Henry, stag horn cutter 58 Chapman John, shopkeeper Court 16 60 Jarvis Mrs Sarah, cast handle manufacturer 62 Nicholson John (junior) shoemaker 66 Brookfield George, coal dealer 68 Chatterton J ames, shopkeeper Court 18 74 Bingham George, victualler' ------------------------------------------ 1893 NORTH SIDE Longdon & Co Iron Founders (Phoenix Foundry) 19 Granelli Peter Ice Cream manufacturer 33 Beatson Charles beer retailer & shopkeeper pearson F.G. & Co edge & joiners tools manufacturers Thomas Charles scissor forger Dyson William scissor manufacturer Smith George cabinet maker SOUTH SIDE Short John coal dealer 26 Atkinson William beer retailer 30 Rhodes James Goodworth shopkeeper 32 Cardwell Richard tallow melter & refiner 38 Chapman George shopkeeper 42 Cooper Mrs Mary shopkeeper Newton Mary & Sons scissor manufacturers Court 10 46 Ball public house William Picken 62 Smith Thomas shopkeeper 64 Brookfield George coal dealer 72 & 74 Grapes public house James Ramsey Petrie ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1901 Longden & Co. stove grate mfrs TRINITY STREET COURT 1 COPPER STREET 33 Jeffries Samuel shopkeeper Pearson F.G. & Co manufacturers of steel HERES GIBRALTAR STREET LITTLEWOOD MEMORIAL HALL 12 Harrison Mrs.Hannah,chapel keeper 14 Hibberd Jabez, timekeeper COURT 2 22 Scott George, shopkeeper COURT 4 26 Collett Mrs.Rose Ann, lodging house COURT 6 32 Card well Richard, oil & tallow refiner COURT 8 40 Collett William cutlery caster 42 Newton George Henry grocer COURT 10 Newton M. & Sons scissors manufacturers Smith Tom, steel scissors forger Wilkinson Jn. steel scissors forger Needham Robert, steel scissors forger 46 Haley John, vict Courts 12 14 &: 16 Court 18 64 Shipston Henry coal dealer Courts 20 &: 22 ' 74 Flower Mrs Eliza vict HERES WEST BAR ----------------------------------------------- 1905 Longden & Co. ironfounders HERES TRINITY STREET COURT 1 COPPER STREET 33 Warner William, shopkeeper Pearson .F. G. & Co. edge tool manufacturers Smith George, cabinet maker HERES. GIBRALTER STREET LTTTLEWOOD MK\rDRIAL HALL 12 Harrison Mrs.Hannah,chapel keeper 14 Hibberd Jabez, timekeeper COURT 2 22 Scott George, shopkeeper COURT 4 COURT 6 32 Cardwell Richard, oil & tallow refiner COURT 8 40 Collett William, cutlery caster builders 42 Newton Goorge Henry, grocer COURT 10 Newton M & Sons scissors manufacturers Wilkinson John. steel scissrors forger 46 Daprato John, vict COURTS 12, 14 & 16 COURT 18 64 Shipston Henry, coal dealer 66 Shipston William henry. shopkeeper COURTS 20 & 22 74 Chapman Samuel, vict 2 HERES WEST BAR ------------------------------------------- 1911 HERES SCOTLAND STREET Carron Company (late Longden & Co) fire grate manufacturers (Pheonix foundry) HERES TRINITY STREET COURT 1 COPPER STREET 33 Nelson Mrs Maria, shopkeeper Pearson F. G. & Co. edge tool manufacturers (Hope works) Wall James & Co. edge tool manufacturers (Hope works) Sayer Henry S. cabinet maker Smith George, cabinet maker HERES GIBRALTAR STREET LiTTLEWOOD MEMORIALHALL 12 Harrison Mrs.Hannah,chapel keeper 14 Hibberd Jabez. timekeeper COURT 2 COURT 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillijo Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 15/12/2017 at 20:01, Edmund said: By 1840 the Company of Cutlers had lost its ability to enforce rules and apprentices would not necessarily have to serve seven years and there was no restriction on the number of apprentices that a master could take on. Henry aged 15, was lodging with Matthew Oakes and it is almost certain that Oakes was his master. Oakes had another apprentice, John Davison, who was committed in April 1846 for 2 months for disorderly conduct, and the newspaper report stated that Davison was the apprentice of Matthew Oakes of Harvest Lane. The Harvest Lane premises were overrun with mice. In April 1840 a 12 year old girl with the surname Parrott, who was employed by Matthew Oates as a cleaner, ate a portion of oatmeal laced with arsenic that had been left out to deal with the mice. She “stoutly denied” having eaten it, but became ill and confessed too late for medical aid to save her. When Henry married Sarah Rainforth Machin in November 1842 his address was Bridgehouses and his profession was scissorsmith, so presumably he completed his apprenticeship in 1842. On Saturday 27th December 1846 Matthew Oakes, Scissor Manufacturer of Harvest Lane died aged 67. This possibly forced Henry to either set up on his own if he had not already moved out, or find a new employer, and would have forced a change of dwelling on him. Very interesting, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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