tozzin Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I'm finding it hard to find any reference to The Turf Tavern on West Bar, I've looked in the 1852, 1862 and 1878 directories and there's no listing, what does fox me is the change of postal numbering, it's given as No 77 but at that number no pub or Beerhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 'Turf Tavern' appears to have been in the area of the 'White Swan', where there also looks to be confusion regarding numbering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 On the 1901 census, the Turf Tavern is given as number 77 West Bar and the White Swan Hotel is at 67-73 with a picture frame maker in between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Here's the Insurance map from 1896 showing a pub at number 77 West Bar. Assuming that it is the Turf Tavern, the site was subsequently used for the Don Picture Palace (from 1912) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 2 hours ago, tozzin said: I'm finding it hard to find any reference to The Turf Tavern on West Bar, I've looked in the 1852, 1862 and 1878 directories and there's no listing, what does fox me is the change of postal numbering, it's given as No 77 but at that number no pub or Beerhouse. Sheffield Daily Telegraph 09 March 1881 Prior to this date it looks like it was called THE OLD TURF TAVERN if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Edmund said: Here's the Insurance map from 1896 showing a pub at number 77 West Bar. Assuming that it is the Turf Tavern, the site was subsequently used for the Don Picture Palace (from 1912) This explains a lot, thanks very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 West Bar and Paradise Street, www.picturesheffield.com/s20378 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Is this where the Don Picture Palace/Bri-nylon shop thing was ? Turf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, RichardB said: Is this where the Don Picture Palace/Bri-nylon shop thing was ? Turf Yes Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Right, well, here's a marvellous find. We already knew that one Jarvis Collier had the Turf Tavern in 1871 (see A-Z) and this article from 1900 suggests Mrs Collier had held a license for 40 years. I don't have access to Ancestry but a couple of good questions for anyone that does = when did Jarvis pass away ? What was his wife first name and was it her all the way through to 1900, or did it pass to any other Colliers during that time ? etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, RichardB said: Right, well, here's a marvellous find. We already knew that one Jarvis Collier had the Turf Tavern in 1871 (see A-Z) and this article from 1900 suggests Mrs Collier had held a license for 40 years. I don't have access to Ancestry but a couple of good questions for anyone that does = when did Jarvis pass away ? What was his wife first name and was it her all the way through to 1900, or did it pass to any other Colliers during that time ? etc etc Two Jarvis Collier's Passed away in 1888 with the same year of Birth. The First name of his Wife was Ann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 I wanted the information for my next pubs article but the year I'll be doing is 1852 which is a few years before the Turf Tavern was opened so I will have to omit that one and put in the Union on Furnace Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 07:37, tozzin said: I'm finding it hard to find any reference to The Turf Tavern on West Bar, I've looked in the 1852, 1862 and 1878 directories and there's no listing, what does fox me is the change of postal numbering, it's given as No 77 but at that number no pub or Beerhouse. White's directory, published 1852. Swinscoe Henry, turner, Turf Tavern, beer house, 55 Westbar. "turner" as in wood worker, from what I can make out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, SteveHB said: White's directory, published 1852. Westbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Complaints Against Publicans And Beerhouse Keepers. published June 09, 1855. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In 1855 the Turf Tavern was next door to the White Swan PH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Confirm 1852 entry Steve; just to add to the general confusion 1857, Henry Swinscoe, 53 Westbar, beerhouse 1860, H.S., 53 Westbar, beerhouse 1879, H.S. 77 Westbar, beerhouse 1881 George Lawless, 77 Westbar, beer retailer all of which is probably more a history of 77 Westbar - makes Collier 1871-1900 er, interesting, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 It seems that in 1854 The Old Turf Tavern was kept by Richard Manks, But why is a Solicitor in Birmingham inquiring about Him 54 Years later ??. Sheffield Daily Telegraph 31 January 1908. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tozzin Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 hours ago, SteveHB said: In 1855 the Turf Tavern was next door to the White Swan PH. 2 hours ago, RichardB said: Confirm 1852 entry Steve; just to add to the general confusion 1857, Henry Swinscoe, 53 Westbar, beerhouse 1860, H.S., 53 Westbar, beerhouse 1879, H.S. 77 Westbar, beerhouse 1881 George Lawless, 77 Westbar, beer retailer all of which is probably more a history of 77 Westbar - makes Collier 1871-1900 er, interesting, to say the least. Would it be ok to use this information in my article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, tozzin said: Would it be ok to use this information in my article? You can use any of the info I post, thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Whatever next, lady landlords! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Top notch find, as ever Edmund. Makes a mockery of my earlier find where Mrs Collier stated a claim of the license for 40 years (previous to 1900). Still no idea who idea who had the place and when ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 hours ago, RichardB said: Top notch find, as ever Edmund. Makes a mockery of my earlier find where Mrs Collier stated a claim of the license for 40 years (previous to 1900). Still no idea who idea who had the place and when ! I read the Colliers' claim as having A licence for 40 years, not necessarily THE (Turf) licence for the whole period. Jarvis Collier (baptised 11 April 1830 son of Elizabeth and William, grinder) married Ann Parkin in 1855, at that time he was a grinder. In 1857 he was a beerhouse keeper in Tenter street, where an ex soldier stole Ann's shawl, after being given money by Jarvis for alternate accommodation as the beerhouse lodgings were full. In 1863 he was a waiter at the Arundel Castle public house where he was offered 4 pints of beer stolen from the Bazaar Hotel.In March 1868 Jarvis was at the Old Turf and was advertising a Grocery and Provision shop to let (satisfactory reasons for leaving). They were at the Newhall Grounds in 1871 -76, the connection seems to be Jarvis' interest in racing of all kinds, which he could indulge in at the Newhall pleasure grounds. He retired from the Newhall Grounds in about 1877 and took the White Hart in Doncaster (with Ann) and after that was landlord of the Red Lion on Castlegate, Tickhill in 1877 and still there at the 1881 census. Jarvis died in 1888 at 65 Westbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Just as a link to this but not much help, George Tune ran the Turf in about 1900-1903. His first wife, Annie died there in 1903 and later that year George took over the Gate Inn on Hollis Croft which had previously been run by George's son-in-law's father, Patrick Naughton. George stayed at the Gate until his death in 1930, whereby the Gate was taken over by William Snape, another of George's son-in-laws, until the 1950s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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