Cremorne, Origin Of The Name ?

[RichardB]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremorne

So which is it ?

(I don't know ...)

[SteveHB]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremorne

So which is it ?

(I don't know ...)

[Edmund]

This may throw some light?

At the September 1870 Brewster Sessions Richard Garrett of Bramall lane, was supported in his application for a licence for the "Sheaf House" by Mr. Barker. barrister (instructed by Mr. D. Wightman). Mr. Clegg opposed on behalf of the Rev. C. E. Lamb. It was intended to throw open the grounds surrounding the house. Mr. Clegg said the intention of the Legislature in granting beer licences was to supply the wants of the neighbourhood, and not to provide recreation grounds.The applicant no doubt intended to have some kind of amusements in the house, and Mr Clegg contended that it was very dangerous to call a number of young people together and supply them with drink. An application of a similar kind had been made for the Cremorne Gardens, which were not far from the applicants house, and the neighbourhood was up in arms against it.

So the original name was to be the Cremorne Gardens.

[RichardB]

Shame. Still an intersting souding place. ..

[RichardB]

Victorian London, Cremorne Gardens

[RichardB]

A few hundred yards to the west of old Battersea Bridge, on the north side of the river, are the celebrated Cremorne Gardens, so named after Thomas Dawson, Lord Cremorne, the site of whose former suburban residence and estate they cover. They have proved, to a very great extent, the successors of "Kuper's," Vauxhall, and Ranelagh. In the early part of the present century, Lord Cremorne's mansion, known as Chelsea Farm, was often visited by George III., Queen Charlotte, and the Prince of Wales. In 1825 the house and grounds devolved on Mr. Granville Penn, a cousin of Lady Cremorne, who much improved the estate, but subsequently disposed of it. The natural beauty of the situation soon afterwards led to the grounds being opened to the public as the "Stadium," and a few years later the gardens were laid out with great taste; the tavern adjoining them was enlarged, and the place became the resort of a motley crowd of pleasureseekers, and generally well attended. To the present time it has retained most of its original features. At night during the summer months the grounds are illuminated with numberless coloured lamps; and there are various ornamental buildings, grottoes, &c., together with a theatre, concert-room, and dining-hall. The amusements provided are of a similar character to those which were presented at Vauxhall Gardens in its palmy days: such as vocal and instrumental concerts, balloon ascents, dancing, fireworks, &c. Several remarkable balloon ascents have been made from these grounds, notably among them being that of Mr. Hampton, who, in 1839, ascended with a balloon and parachute, by which he descended from a height of about two miles. More recently an attempt at aërial navigation was made from Cremorne by a foreigner, M. de Groof. The apparatus was suspended beneath the car of a balloon, and when the aeronaut had reached a considerable height, the machine was liberated; but owing to some defect in its construction, it immediately collapsed and fell to the ground with a fearful crash, killing its unfortunate occupant on the spot.

From: 'Chelsea: Cremorne Gardens', Old and New London: Volume 5 (1878), pp. 84-100. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45224 Date accessed: 13 July 2012.

[RichardB]

Images

[Guest stimpson]

Now, just to complicate things, here's another Cremorne related question. In the now unused doorway round the Randall Place side of the pub is a mosaic - http://www.flickr.com/photos/evissa/299613145

- the "Otto" presumably (from my Googling research) being F W M OTTO LTD of 175 London Rd, who sell furniture (and seemingly still exist?)- but The Cremorne is 185 London Rd. So, if The Cremorne has been there since at least 1833, how does it seem to be in a building that was at one time a furniture store?

Looking at the building, it's not really making much sense to me...does anyone remember Otto's once being part of that building on London Rd? Could it be the mosaic was moved from the 175 address - seems unlikely? Has The Cremorne ever been closed at any point?

[RichardB]

Frederick William Otto's and The Cremorne side by side.

So, the Cremorne expanded to include the premises next door.

Now, just to complicate things, here's another Cremorne related question. In the now unused doorway round the Randall Place side of the pub is a mosaic - http://www.flickr.co...vissa/299613145

- the "Otto" presumably (from my Googling research) being F W M OTTO LTD of 175 London Rd, who sell furniture (and seemingly still exist?)- but The Cremorne is 185 London Rd. So, if The Cremorne has been there since at least 1833, how does it seem to be in a building that was at one time a furniture store?

Looking at the building, it's not really making much sense to me...does anyone remember Otto's once being part of that building on London Rd? Could it be the mosaic was moved from the 175 address - seems unlikely? Has The Cremorne ever been closed at any point?

[THYLACINE]

Cremorne is also a suburb in Sydney NSW, situated on Sydney Harbour, also named after Cremorne Gardens.

Interestingly, we spent our first night in Auz there. Our friend who sponsored us was renting a house at Cremorne in 1973 for $40 a week. Now a 1 bedroom apartment in Cremorne will cost you approx. $400 - $600 per week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremorne,_New_South_Wales

[Guest stimpson]

Frederick William Otto's and The Cremorne side by side.

So, the Cremorne expanded to include the premises next door.

Aha, well that exactly answers that - brilliant, thanks. I didn't try Picture Sheffield - thought it would be too much of a long shot...!

[jhcrawshaw]

Taken from:

Pubs & People Around Sheffield

by: Roy Davey

.....another surviving public house carries the name of a Derby winner. This is the Cremorne on London Road, at the end of Alderson Road. The horse won the 1872 Derby at three to one; it was owned by Mr. Henry Saville and ridden by a jockey called 'Maidment'.

[Jim2000]

On 26/06/2012 at 18:17, Edmund said:

This may throw some light?

 

At the September 1870 Brewster Sessions Richard Garrett of Bramall lane, was supported in his application for a licence for the "Sheaf House" by Mr. Barker. barrister (instructed by Mr. D. Wightman). Mr. Clegg opposed on behalf of the Rev. C. E. Lamb. It was intended to throw open the grounds surrounding the house. Mr. Clegg said the intention of the Legislature in granting beer licences was to supply the wants of the neighbourhood, and not to provide recreation grounds.The applicant no doubt intended to have some kind of amusements in the house, and Mr Clegg contended that it was very dangerous to call a number of young people together and supply them with drink. An application of a similar kind had been made for the Cremorne Gardens, which were not far from the applicants house, and the neighbourhood was up in arms against it.

 

So the original name was to be the Cremorne Gardens.

Advert from 21 May 1863 - the Cremorne Gardens, in full swing. Complete with a boneless gorilla!

Spare a thought for poor Madame Geneive (real name Selina Powell, the ‘Female Blondin’). Elevated SIXTY FEET on a High Rope, blindfolded, in a sack, her feet in baskets, surrounded by fireworks, not to mention five months pregnant and compelled to work to financially support seven children, her husband and her mother! Two months later she was dead - you guessed it - due to a fall from the high wire at Aston Park. And I thought my life was hard!