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Does anyone have a picture or drawing of this pub that was situated on the corner of Eyre St & Furnival St, Ive printed out the list of Landlords but as for the picture I just cant find one even on Picture Sheffield. If anyone has one I will be very grateful if you could e-mail me a copy.

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Guest Barbara M

When we lived in Bedfordshire, there were more then one pub called " The Swan with two NICKS " , this was the practice of marking the swans when they were counted, something to do with them being Crown Property or not , I think .

That made me wonder if the name of the pub is " The Swan with Two Nicks " instead of " Two Necks " & that is why you can't find any trace of it......just a suggestion !!!

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When we lived in Bedfordshire, there were more then one pub called " The Swan with two NICKS " , this was the practice of marking the swans when they were counted, something to do with them being Crown Property or not , I think .

That made me wonder if the name of the pub is " The Swan with Two Nicks " instead of " Two Necks " & that is why you can't find any trace of it......just a suggestion !!!

You could be right as dialects do change words, I do recall the practice of marking Swans, I believe their beaks were nicked, Ive just looked in SHEFFIELD PUBLIC HOUSES by Michael Liversidge and it confirms what you say.

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I've previously posted the explanaton about the name and searched by street addresses, plus internet search - hopefully we can find one but I've looked and looked :(

When we lived in Bedfordshire, there were more then one pub called " The Swan with two NICKS " , this was the practice of marking the swans when they were counted, something to do with them being Crown Property or not , I think .

That made me wonder if the name of the pub is " The Swan with Two Nicks " instead of " Two Necks " & that is why you can't find any trace of it......just a suggestion !!!

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The name was called the Swan with Two Necks (not nicks).

My great grandparents (surname Ramsden) ran it during the 1920's, my great grandad died upstairs in the pub from TB in the early 1920's. My grandma and great grandma continued to live there with her mother until her death in 1926 (a suspicious death, but that's a different story...).

My grandma (who lived until the age of 94) remembered clearly having her photo taken stood on a chair outside the pub in her Sunday best aged about six but we do not have this photo...

Great grandma also organised charabanc trips for her regulars and my grandma remembers a local newspaper coming to photograph the vehicle with its occupants in front of the pub before they set out to the coast. This would have been in the summer of 1925/6. But once again we don't have the photo... but as it was printed in a local news paper it may still exist in some archive somewhere.

Good luck in your search, if you do find a photo please let me know.

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I cant seem to find a list of the licence holders for the Swan With Two Necks, the only ones I have are listed below:

1822
George Marsden , vict., Swan with two Necks, 28 Furnival street
1825 / 1828
John Dyson , victualler, Swan with two necks, 8, Furnival st.
1833
Charles Booth , vict. Swan-with-two-necks, 16, Furnival street
1837
John Wallace , vict. Swan-with-two Necks, & Nottingham House, I6
Furnival street
1845
John White , vict. Swan-with-two-Necks, 28 Furnival street 
1849 / 1852
 John Fisher,  Swan-with-Two-Necks, 28 Furnival street
1856
William Betson,  vict., Swan with two Necks, 28 Furnival street
1879
Mrs Sarah Phenix , victualler, Swan-with-two-Necks, 28
Furnival street (Phenix as spelt in directory )
1893
Mrs Sarah Ann Bray, vict, Swan - With -Two - Necks, 28 Furnival Street
1901
Mrs. Ann Wood,, Swan-with-two-Necks,  28 Furnival street,
1905
Septimus Frost , vict. Swan with Two Necks, 28 . Furnival street
1911
Ernest Ramsden , vict. Swan-with-Two-Necks, 28 Furnival street

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Further to the Swan With Two Necks:

Directory of Pubs in the UK, historical public houses, Taverns, Inns, Beer Houses and Hotels in Sheffield, Yorkshire. The Sheffield, Yorkshire listing uses information from census, Trade Directories and History to add licensees, bar staff, Lodgers and Visitors.

The following entries are in this format:

Year/Publican or other Resident/Relationship to Head and or Occupation/Age/Where Born/Source.

1818/(Swan) Benjamin Carrington/../../../Pigot’s Directory 1818–19-20 **

1822/Benj. Carrington / Victualler & Worsted Spinner /../../Baines Directory **

1828/John Dyson / Victualler /../../Blackwell’s Sheffield Directory & Guide **

1833/Charles Booth / Victualler /../../White’s Directory of Sheffield **

1841/William Rollett/../../../Pigot’s Directory **

1847/John White/../../../Slater’s Directory **

1852/John Fisher/../../../White’s Directory of Sheffield **

1855/(Swan Inn) Jethro Turner/../../../Slater’s Directory **

1856/Wm. Betson / Victualler /../../White’s Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham **

1881/Harriet Phenix/Head, Daughter/33/Sheffield, York/Census ****
1881/Annie Phenix/Daughter/17/Sheffield, York/Census
1881/ Mary Mundy/General Servant/17/Eckington, Derby/Census

1911/Ernest Ramsden/../../Whites Directory ****

1919/Ernest Ramsden/../../Whites Directory ****

1841 Census showing results for the family of John White

1841 census
White, Edwin of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 7 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
   
White, Eliza of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 38 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
  
White, Elizabeth of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 5 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
 
White, James of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 1 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)

White, John of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 16 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
   
White, Louisa of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 9 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
 
White, Reuben of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 18 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
  
White, Reubin of 8 Furnival Street, Sheffield South. Aged 42 years.
    (Piece #1337/7, folio 7a, enumeration district 14.)
  

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5 hours ago, tozzin said:

I cant seem to find a list of the licence holders for the Swan With Two Necks,

 

One here in the pubs A-Z

Swan with Two Necks / Swan
28 Furnival Street

Span 1818
Comments 1822 8 Furnival Street
Earlier

1818 (pigots) Benjamin Carrington [swan]

1821 - 2 Benjamin Carrington
1825 John Dyson (8 Furnival Street)
1828 - 9 John Dyson

1830 Thomas Morley [ The Swan, 9 Furnival Street ]
1833 Charles Booth (16 Furnival Street)
1834 William Mansell
1837 John Wallace
1839 John Wallace
1841 William Rollett
1845 J. White
1846 Thomas White
1849 John Fisher
1851 - 2 John Fisher (census
1854 William Betson
1856 William Betson
1857 Administratrix of William Betson to George Marsden
1858 George Marsden
1859 George Marsden [ 32 Furnival Street ]
1862 -3 George Marsden
1864 - 5 Thomas Thorpe
1868 Mary Phoenix
1871 Mrs Sarah Phenix
1876 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1879 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1881 Mrs Sarah Phenix
1883 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1888 - 9 Frederick Rawlings
1890 Mrs Sarah Ann Eastwood
1893 Mrs Sarah Ann Bray
1895-6 Samuel Bradbury
1898 Mrs Ann Wood
1900-01 Mrs Ann Wood
1902 - 03 Septimus Frost
1905 Septimus Frost
1907 Septimus Frost
1910 Charles Gledhill
1911 to 1913 Ernest Ramsden
1916 -17 Ernest Ramsden
1919 to 1923 Ernest Ramsden
1924 - 25 Mrs Edith Wardle
1929 William Darley
1931 to 1933 James W Ramsey
1936 James W Ramsey

 

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On 06/08/2022 at 14:10, SteveHB said:

One here in the pubs A-Z

Swan with Two Necks / Swan
28 Furnival Street

Span 1818
Comments 1822 8 Furnival Street
Earlier

1818 (pigots) Benjamin Carrington [swan]

1821 - 2 Benjamin Carrington
1825 John Dyson (8 Furnival Street)
1828 - 9 John Dyson

1830 Thomas Morley [ The Swan, 9 Furnival Street ]
1833 Charles Booth (16 Furnival Street)
1834 William Mansell
1837 John Wallace
1839 John Wallace
1841 William Rollett
1845 J. White
1846 Thomas White
1849 John Fisher
1851 - 2 John Fisher (census
1854 William Betson
1856 William Betson
1857 Administratrix of William Betson to George Marsden
1858 George Marsden
1859 George Marsden [ 32 Furnival Street ]
1862 -3 George Marsden
1864 - 5 Thomas Thorpe
1868 Mary Phoenix
1871 Mrs Sarah Phenix
1876 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1879 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1881 Mrs Sarah Phenix
1883 Mrs Sarah Phoenix
1888 - 9 Frederick Rawlings
1890 Mrs Sarah Ann Eastwood
1893 Mrs Sarah Ann Bray
1895-6 Samuel Bradbury
1898 Mrs Ann Wood
1900-01 Mrs Ann Wood
1902 - 03 Septimus Frost
1905 Septimus Frost
1907 Septimus Frost
1910 Charles Gledhill
1911 to 1913 Ernest Ramsden
1916 -17 Ernest Ramsden
1919 to 1923 Ernest Ramsden
1924 - 25 Mrs Edith Wardle
1929 William Darley
1931 to 1933 James W Ramsey
1936 James W Ramsey

 

Very interesting, that's fascinating. Looking at it, it seems a high turn over rate of landlords/owners. Is this usual for the time does anyone think?

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