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No idea how to transfer from old media (must be some experts on here somewhere), but does anyone have any to share please - the older the better.

Weddings, birthdays, homecomings, leavings, events ...

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No idea how to transfer from old media (must be some experts on here somewhere), but does anyone have any to share please - the older the better.

Weddings, birthdays, homecomings, leavings, events ...

I have already posted a couple of my old home movies here

To transfer from old home movie film to digital format is a bind.

You either have to do what I did and film off the screen while projecting. This gives a poor quality picture, some distortion and usually loss of the edges, also if it is a sound film you tend to get a lot of projector noise.

Alternatively you can do what my brother and I did with the film which was shown on BBC about 18 months ago, - get the BBC to transfer it using a very expensive dedicated TELECINE machine. You can also pay to have this done, it's charged in £ per foot of film and is very expensive.

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Off the screen sounds favourite ...

I have already posted a couple of my old home movies here

To transfer from old home movie film to digital format is a bind.

You either have to do what I did and film off the screen while projecting. This gives a poor quality picture, some distortion and usually loss of the edges, also if it is a sound film you tend to get a lot of projector noise.

Alternatively you can do what my brother and I did with the film which was shown on BBC about 18 months ago, - get the BBC to transfer it using a very expensive dedicated TELECINE machine. You can also pay to have this done, it's charged in £ per foot of film and is very expensive.

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Off the screen sounds favourite ...

Another problem is that Sheffield History does not allow the direct posting of video files, which are often very large and easily exceed the site megabytes limit per file so videos have to be linked or embedded, meaning that the actual video file is hosted by an external site.

The 2 digitised home videos I have posted are both hosted on my own personal small amount of webspace provided by my ISP. I cannot put them directly onto Sheffield History and without access to alternative web space they are not easy to post. I suppose you could put them on YouTube, but that gives a much bigger audience and leaves you open to a certain amount of abuse / security risks.

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You can set YouTube not to receive comments.

True, but I am not so sure I would want to make some of my films to be seen by everybody and anybody.

At least on here there is a limited audience and the films I post are ones of interest to those wanting to see local scenes and locations so there isn't such a broad agenda to invite trouble.

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True, but I am not so sure I would want to make some of my films to be seen by everybody and anybody.

At least on here there is a limited audience and the films I post are ones of interest to those wanting to see local scenes and locations.

I agree, you get `two bites of the cherry,` putting a face to a name you know, with the added bonus of seeing locations you recognize. W/E.

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I suppose you could put them on YouTube, but that gives a much bigger audience and leaves you open to a certain amount of abuse / security risks.

Eh ?

What kind of abuse and security risks can be had from posting videos to YouTube ?

I've posted videos on YouTube for years - with zero issue ?

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I was hoping for Auntie Mary's Wedding in 1937, transferredfrom the original slate drawings or stills from Old Bert's return from the War ... no idea how any of this works - certainly not looking to compromise anyone'ssecurity.

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Eh ?

What kind of abuse and security risks can be had from posting videos to YouTube ?

I've posted videos on YouTube for years - with zero issue ?

YouTube is now owned by Google.

There has been several issues with Google on how they collect and what they do with personal information>

They have recently altered their privacy policy, but if this is a change for the better or worse I don't know as I don't register with them anyway.

Unlike Sheffield History the comments on You Tube appear to be unmoderated and swearing and verbal abuse seem to be the accepted norm.

That's not to my liking so I won't do it.

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I was hoping for Auntie Mary's Wedding in 1937, transferredfrom the original slate drawings or stills from Old Bert's return from the War ... no idea how any of this works - certainly not looking to compromise anyone'ssecurity.

With the "then & now" photo's me and Stuart came up against the problem that there is a severe shortage of "then" pictures. It all relies upon someone at the point in history when then was actually now of having the notion to actually bother to take the picture. As photography was expensive and quite specialised in days gone by the chances are nobody did bother, so the picture you would really like to see from the past simply does not exist, and until the day when time travel becomes a posibility and you can go back in time and take the historical picture that you wanted that's how it will always be.

The same applies to auntie Mary's wedding in 1937, if no one actually bothered to film it then we are never going to see it. Amateur cinematography only really got started in the 1930's with the introduction of 8mm film in 1932, the equipment at this time, during a financial depression, was very expensive and so was the film which came in 50 foot lengths (or 2 x 25 foot for standard 8) which would give a shooting of only around 4 minutes.

Some of the films you would like to see Richard, although they appear quite ordinary, I suspect don't exist. It's only since the quick, cheap and easy days of electronic videotape and then digital camcorders that wedding videos of ordinary people have become common. Both Stuart and myself have been interested in photographt and cinematography since starting secondary school, we both got married in the 1980's, - neither of us as any sort of movie record of our weddings at all.

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Points taken, understood and appreciated.

With the "then & now" photo's me and Stuart came up against the problem that there is a severe shortage of "then" pictures. It all relies upon someone at the point in history when then was actually now of having the notion to actually bother to take the picture. As photography was expensive and quite specialised in days gone by the chances are nobody did bother, so the picture you would really like to see from the past simply does not exist, and until the day when time travel becomes a posibility and you can go back in time and take the historical picture that you wanted that's how it will always be.

The same applies to auntie Mary's wedding in 1937, if no one actually bothered to film it then we are never going to see it. Amateur cinematography only really got started in the 1930's with the introduction of 8mm film in 1932, the equipment at this time, during a financial depression, was very expensive and so was the film which came in 50 foot lengths (or 2 x 25 foot for standard 8) which would give a shooting of only around 4 minutes.

Some of the films you would like to see Richard, although they appear quite ordinary, I suspect don't exist. It's only since the quick, cheap and easy days of electronic videotape and then digital camcorders that wedding videos of ordinary people have become common. Both Stuart and myself have been interested in photographt and cinematography since starting secondary school, we both got married in the 1980's, - neither of us as any sort of movie record of our weddings at all.

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Points taken, understood and appreciated.

Would be nice to see some very old home movies made in Sheffield though wouldn't it.

Anyone got any?

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Yes, I have just acquired my late fathers 8mm movie films, they dont have any sound on them, and a lot are of holidays, so not many are of Sheffield.

We were members of the SADVOC (Sheffield and District Volkswagen Owners Club) in the 60's and there are quite a few films of us meeting in Paradise Square, before setting off on day trips. Trouble is, Paradise Sq hasnt really changed much has it lol. There are some 60's weddings, one in Stocksbridge and one somewhere in Barnsley too.

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Sound ... BAH !

Sheffielders on holiday anywhere is good, all those trips to Scarborough, Filey and in our case Whitby - tremendous memories.

Volkswagon Owners Club - never knew it existed.

And as for Paradise Square, the more images the better, bound to be some interest for the transport folks if nothing else.

We can't expect a feature-length, colour, sound blockbuster - a few selected stills would be nice enough. If you, and everyone else has something Sheffield-related and older than last March we'd love to see it.

Admin has many requests out there for stuff from the 70's, 80's, 90's and beyond ... I just like old stuff, but it's all good.

Yes, I have just acquired my late fathers 8mm movie films, they dont have any sound on them, and a lot are of holidays, so not many are of Sheffield.

We were members of the SADVOC (Sheffield and District Volkswagen Owners Club) in the 60's and there are quite a few films of us meeting in Paradise Square, before setting off on day trips. Trouble is, Paradise Sq hasnt really changed much has it lol. There are some 60's weddings, one in Stocksbridge and one somewhere in Barnsley too.

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Sound ... BAH !

It is not common for 8mm films, especially those made before about 1973 when Kodak introduced the Super 8 magnetic stripe sound and film cartridge, to have any soundtrack on the film at all.

Due to way sound and images are recorded the film has to move intermittently, frame by frame, in a series of rapid stops and starts, as it goes through the projector gate, but the sound stripe has to move at an absolutely steady speed over the sound playback head to avoid distortion. This means that the sound is not in line with the pictures, on standard 8 film it is 56 frames ahead and on Super 8 24 frames ahead. As the sound and pictures are not in line cutting and splicing the film to edit it does not have the desired effect.

For this reson sound tracks were usually recorded seperately, on tape recorders, from the images on film. This then creates the problem that on playback it is extremely difficult to synchronise the two, and practically impossible to achieve lip synchronisation. If home made 8mm films had any soundtrack at all it would usually be a background sound track of mood music with an unseen third person narration, - as in many documentary type films and travelogue (holiday) films, but not ideal for dramas and story telling.

If most 8mm were shot silent, then that is how they should now be viewed, - silent.

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That's what I meant ! If shot without sound, them it doesn't need sound, BAH seemed a bit shorter.

It is not common for 8mm films, especially those made before about 1973 when Kodak introduced the Super 8 magnetic stripe sound and film cartridge, to have any soundtrack on the film at all.

Due to way sound and images are recorded the film has to move intermittently, frame by frame, in a series of rapid stops and starts, as it goes through the projector gate, but the sound stripe has to move at an absolutely steady speed over the sound playback head to avoid distortion. This means that the sound is not in line with the pictures, on standard 8 film it is 56 frames ahead and on Super 8 24 frames ahead. As the sound and pictures are not in line cutting and splicing the film to edit it does not have the desired effect.

For this reson sound tracks were usually recorded seperately, on tape recorders, from the images on film. This then creates the problem that on playback it is extremely difficult to synchronise the two, and practically impossible to achieve lip synchronisation. If home made 8mm films had any soundtrack at all it would usually be a background sound track of mood music with an unseen third person narration, - as in many documentary type films and travelogue (holiday) films, but not ideal for dramas and story telling.

If most 8mm were shot silent, then that is how they should now be viewed, - silent.

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That's what I meant ! If shot without sound, them it doesn't need sound, BAH seemed a bit shorter.

There are some of us that like things without sound, it makes life a lot quieter.

The mute button on our TV remote gets used a lot when certain loud mouthed, ignorant, idiotic, self opinionated arrogant, big headed over paid presenters are on. (not difficult to guess who I mean then).

I also have a friend whose hearing is so bad he uses a digital state of the art hearing aid. He told me that it had lots of different settings for different locations and circumstances to maximise the intelligibility and clarity of what he hears. He then admitted that for some circumstances like his wife nagging at him and being sat in an overly long sermon in church on Sunday morning the best setting to use the one called "off".

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Hi

Just in the process of paying someone to transfer some old cine films from the early 60s to DVD. It's proving very expensive and time consuming, but hopefully the end results will be worth it.

Planning to sell them at a reasonable price to get the money back invested in transferring them to DVD.

Some really interesting footage including Sheffield Parks (Firth Park, Concord Park, Millhouses), Longley Baths, Rivelin Valley Paddling Pool, Bonfire Night at Chapeltown Park, Christmas Lights, lots of old footage taken in the City Centre with many long gone buildings (Hippodrome, Angel Inn etc), footage shot from a car driving from Wicker Arches to The Moor, Last Tram Week with lots of tram footage taken in City Centre, at depot and out at Millhouses, plus trams being broken up in Thomas Ward's scrapyard, Whit Walk from Firth Park, St George's Day Parade filmed outside City Hall, Star Walk filmed at Sheffield Lane Top, University Rag Week Parade and Boat Race, ESC Gala, Speedway at Owlerton, Listerdale Scrambles, lots of footage on the Construction of Tinsley Park Steelworks with Opening Ceremony and steel production etc, Barges on the Canal, 21st Anniversary of Battle of Britain Air Show at Finningley.

Some snippets are longer than others, but there is about an hour or so in total. All silent

Will post a note when it is finally finished

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