Guest jillrog Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi I'm new to this site. My Grandfather used to live in Sheffield He was a fish dealer and I have just found him in Whites 1919 John Kennedy Fried Fish Dealer 58-59 London Road Sheffield. Please can someone tell me what the building is now. Also we have a photo of the house the family used to live in (we believe) It is just marked Richmond Hill Could someone please tell me if the building is still standing what it is and what it used to be? Thank you very much I think the photo was probably taken about 1925 1927 as my grandfather and father are sitting on the wall. I will now try and attach it!!!!! Thank you very much for your help and Happy New Year Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi I'm new to this site. My Grandfather used to live in Sheffield He was a fish dealer and I have just found him in Whites 1919 John Kennedy Fried Fish Dealer 58-59 London Road Sheffield. Please can someone tell me what the building is now. 58 & 59 would have been on opposite sides of London Rd, 59 being on the left going away from Sheffield, TC Harrisons later took over 53 - 67 for their showroom, now demolished and replaced with modern student accomodation. 58 would have been accross the road, many of which are still business's, mainly take aways, still trying to work out exactly where 58 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hello and Welcome to the Site. Let's see of the "Photo Fairies" can improve the image any. John Kennedy, Fried Fish dealer, is known at London Road, as follows : 58 London Road 1905 58 London Road 1911 58 & 59 London Road 1919 As regards Richmond Hill, I don't even know where it is ! However, Richmond Hill is known as the residence of a couple of Worthies ... Offley Shore, Banker, 1833 Thomas Dunn, Coal Owner and J.P., 1849 and 1852 so, my guess it's a day out. I await others commentsabout "Richmond Hill". Hi I'm new to this site. My Grandfather used to live in Sheffield He was a fish dealer and I have just found him in Whites 1919 John Kennedy Fried Fish Dealer 58-59 London Road Sheffield. Please can someone tell me what the building is now. Also we have a photo of the house the family used to live in (we believe) It is just marked Richmond Hill Could someone please tell me if the building is still standing what it is and what it used to be? Thank you very much I think the photo was probably taken about 1925 1927 as my grandfather and father are sitting on the wall. I will now try and attach it!!!!! Thank you very much for your help and Happy New Year Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I agree with the finding in 1919 at 58 & 59 (from SRO), maybe it was a very long fish ? 58 & 59 would have been on opposite sides of London Rd, 59 being on the left going away from Sheffield, TC Harrisons later took over 53 - 67 for their showroom, now demolished and replaced with modern student accomodation. 58 would have been accross the road, many of which are still business's, mainly take aways, still trying to work out exactly where 58 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart0742 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 58 & 59 would have been on opposite sides of London Rd, 59 being on the left going away from Sheffield, TC Harrisons later took over 53 - 67 for their showroom, now demolished and replaced with modern student accomodation. 58 would have been accross the road, many of which are still business's, mainly take aways, still trying to work out exactly where 58 is. I think 58 would have been where the gap is now, currently a 2nd hand car lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Egads, he's a Scotsman ! Wife's an Irish Lass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 75 was The Albion ... I think 58 would have been where the gap is now, currently a 2nd hand car lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 1911, no kids, gives ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 1901 Grocer Manager, 813 Abbeydale Road and a bonus extra initial ! 1911, no kids, gives ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The house Richmond Hill was (and probably still is) on Stradbroke road near the road that leads down to Stradbroke school sorry just can't remember if it was Drive or Crescent. My Mum and Dad lived on Richmond Hill Road in 1935 and used to get all their post as the Road was originally just called Richmond Hill as well. I can remember the house vaguely but it was behind a big wall when I was young. There was also Richmond Hill cottages they were in the same grounds as the house but I seem to think they were out buildings . I will have to get in touch with my older Brother as he had a friend that lived in them and see what he remembers. I will also go and see if the house is still there as it was not that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 With a bit of luck the photo should be here fingers crossed. I just checked and this picture was on Panoramio. I am still going to go and have a look round though because Richmond Hill cottages are marked on google and although this is called Richmond Hill house It looks better than I remember it and the cottages are in the right place for the house. I know Stradbroke school grounds went up to the house grounds at the back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi I'm new to this site. My Grandfather used to live in Sheffield He was a fish dealer and I have just found him in Whites 1919 John Kennedy Fried Fish Dealer 58-59 London Road Sheffield. Please can someone tell me what the building is now. Also we have a photo of the house the family used to live in (we believe) It is just marked Richmond Hill Could someone please tell me if the building is still standing what it is and what it used to be? Thank you very much I think the photo was probably taken about 1925 1927 as my grandfather and father are sitting on the wall. I will now try and attach it!!!!! Thank you very much for your help and Happy New Year Jill I had a go at improving not much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 With a bit of luck the photo should be here fingers crossed. I just checked and this picture was on Panoramio. I am still going to go and have a look round though because Richmond Hill cottages are marked on google and although this is called Richmond Hill house It looks better than I remember it and the cottages are in the right place for the house. I know Stradbroke school grounds went up to the house grounds at the back . If it is the same place then it looks like a front and rear view. The sepia photo being of the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardS Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 It backs onto Stradbrooke School, which I attended as a nipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hello again Thank you so much for all your help Grandad was Scottish born in Freswick in Caithness and married Jane Patterson from Ireland in 1896 (married in Barrow in Furness) Sadly she died in 1921 and grandad remarried my grandmother in 1922., in Ulverston (near Barrow in Furness) They must have come back to Sheffield after this as my dad was born at 2 Pinner Road in 1923 and he is in the photo at Richmond Hill. Would anyone know what the fish shop was called, just out of curiosity? Since your improvement of the photo it is definitely clearer so thank you very much The roof line of "Richmond Hill" does look right comparing the 2 photos if you take one as the back view. Once again thank you all very much. The information has been great to get and puts things together. Unfortunately I didn't start on the family history until after my father had passed away and John Kennedy (grandfather) died in 1935. I probably have more photos but they will be in the UK and I am in Spain until we sell this house but as soon as I can find any I will post them. Thanks Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 It is the front view I have been today and if you walk down the side of the new flats you can see the rear view. The back is not in quite as good condition as the front !! It is now made into several flats so the doorways have been altered but you can see it is the same house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 It backs onto Stradbrooke School, which I attended as a nipper. I also attended Stradbroke school as a nipper I went on the first day the school opened. I also notice that I have added one of the photo's twice I would delete it but if I do you can be sure that I will delete the wrong one. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Syl Thank you so much for the photos. It was really nice of you to go there and take the photos. As far as I can remember the nearest I have been to Sheffield is to drive past it on the A1 or thro' it on a train. Grandmother moved to Manchester and I was brought up in Stockton on Tees before moving to Devon and then Spain Thanks again for the photos Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Syl Thank you so much for the photos. It was really nice of you to go there and take the photos. As far as I can remember the nearest I have been to Sheffield is to drive past it on the A1 or thro' it on a train. Grandmother moved to Manchester and I was brought up in Stockton on Tees before moving to Devon and then Spain Thanks again for the photos Jill You're welcome Jill I don't live far away from Richmond and as I spent the first 21 years of my life there and my Mum lived there for nearly 70 it was good going for a look round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Hello Again Sorry to be a nuisance! Would anybody be able to tell me who the inhabitants of Richmond Hill House were? Particularly around 1923 to 1930 ish I don't know, but would presume that if my grandparents lived there they would have been renting or was it owned by a more prosperous branch of the family? Possibly Jones, Noble or Cook. Is there anyway of finding out Please, Thank you Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 1901 Grocer Manager, 813 Abbeydale Road and a bonus extra initial ! Hello I think the "bonus initial" stands for Jack which makes him John Jack Kennedy The Jack being his mothers maiden name. Thank you for enhancing the photo. It certainly makes it clearer. Would be be able to find out where he was a grocer manager? and how and where would I start? Once again Thank you (and everyone else) for all the help. (I have just worked out how to reply to each post individually!!!!!) Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Hello Again Sorry to be a nuisance! Would anybody be able to tell me who the inhabitants of Richmond Hill House were? Particularly around 1923 to 1930 ish I don't know, but would presume that if my grandparents lived there they would have been renting or was it owned by a more prosperous branch of the family? Possibly Jones, Noble or Cook. Is there anyway of finding out Please, Thank you Jill Hello jillrog , you're no nuisance, it's questions like these that makes the posts all the more intriguing. I am not familiar with this area but I'm sure there are plenty out there who can help you with this one. Maybe your grandparents worked there as a couple for the owner of the Richmond Hill House. Looking through the libraries Burgess Rolls could give a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Hello jillrog , you're no nuisance, it's questions like these that makes the posts all the more intriguing. I am not familiar with this area but I'm sure there are plenty out there who can help you with this one. Maybe your grandparents worked there as a couple for the owner of the Richmond Hill House. Looking through the libraries Burgess Rolls could give a clue.Thanks ukelele lady I will give that a try. I don't think they would have been working for anyone there as Grandad was a fish dealer with his own business Any other thoughts gratefully received Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Well according to my older Brother it was a family called Siddons who were solicitors they had a chauffer who lived in the house next door who was called Cotterill. I would also assume from this that your Grandparents either worked for them or were related maybe? The house was bought by the council in the early 50s and turned into flats. If you google Treeton web you will also find that in 1833 it was occupied by an Offley Shore who was a banker. Just noticed on Sheffield Indexers that John Kennedy resided at 58 London road in 1905 so not just a fish shop he also lived there then and was still there in 1921. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jillrog Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Well according to my older Brother it was a family called Siddons who were solicitors they had a chauffer who lived in the house next door who was called Cotterill. I would also assume from this that your Grandparents either worked for them or were related maybe? The house was bought by the council in the early 50s and turned into flats. If you google Treeton web you will also find that in 1833 it was occupied by an Offley Shore who was a banker. Just noticed on Sheffield Indexers that John Kennedy resided at 58 London road in 1905 so not just a fish shop he also lived there then and was still there in 1921. Hi Syl My grandfathers first wife died in 1921, he then returned to Ulverston-Barrow in Furness where he married my grandmother in 1922. My father was born at 2 Pinner Road Sheffield in 1923 so I am assuming they had come back to live in Sheffield by then. My father was in the picture above of Richmond Hill which means it was taken after 1923 probably around 1925 to 1927 looking at it. I will try and find some more information out from my sister. I know by 1931 that my grandfather is mentioned in someones will as a retired fish dealer so he had evidentely given up the fish shop by then. I wonder if he was doing carpentry work at Richmond Hill as I sem to remember in Scotland he was a journeyman carpenter. The names of Siddons and Cotterill certainly don't mean anything to me and they haven't cropped up in the family tree anywhere yet. How far forward do the Sheffield Indexers go? Hopefully I will speak to you again when I have more information :-) Jill PS Thanks again for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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