Bayleaf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Thanks HD and Bayleaf. Is this the PictureSheffield image, it certainly shows the pub and the quarry and names the owner, or is there a closer match to the painting please ? http://www.picturesh...BTkQmcGFnZT0xNA== This one perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Balm Green by Thomas Aldam (1858) http://www.bbc.co.uk...sheffield-72675 and PictureSheffield, Cottages Balm Green (site of the City Hall), though this picture from 1900-1909. http://www.picturesh...GVyYXRpb249QU5E 1876 drawing http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)s13220($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOWJhbG0lMjglMjQlN0MrJTJCJTI5JTNCQU5EJTNCYWxsJTNCTUFUQ0hFUyUzQiUyOCU1RSU3QyslMkIlMjlncmVlbiUyOCUyNCU3QyslMkIlMjkmYWN0aW9uPXNlYXJjaCZvcGVyYXRpb249QU5E (also mentions Queen Steel Works belonging to John Lucas, Iron and Steel Merchant on Holly Street). Any snippets of maps from the 1850's please. Trying to work out the stone building on the right ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Balm Green by Thomas Aldam (1858) http://www.bbc.co.uk...sheffield-72675 and PictureSheffield, Cottages Balm Green (site of the City Hall), though this picture from 1900-1909. http://www.picturesh...GVyYXRpb249QU5E 1876 drawing http://www.picturesh...GVyYXRpb249QU5E (also mentions Queen Steel Works belonging to John Lucas, Iron and Steel Merchant on Holly Street). Any snippets of maps from the 1850's please. Trying to work out the stone building on the right ... Ann Mellor, victualler Cutler's Arms, 7 New Church Street, White's 1852 ... confusing ... New Church Street didn't run that far, did it ? and I thougt the low numbers were down towards the (current) library end ?? Down by Cabbage Alley ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Baffled by this one : Site of Crookes Valley Road (Great Dam Road from Mushroom Lane, Western Park by George Pearson Hattersley (1882) http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/site-of-crookes-valley-road-great-dam-road-from-mushroom-l72066 It feels right, just cannot orientate myself; there's the Church, so Harcourt Road is towards the left ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Captain Thomas Asline Ward (1781-1871) by Francis Leggatt Chantrey. What year did Chantry pass away ? for dating purposes - and how old does Asline Ward look ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/captain-thomas-asline-ward-17811871-71110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Six Sheffield Gentlemen at a Table, unknown artist. I think these may be musicians, one with an unusual name - posibly a soldier ?? ... must check music thread Not the best of condition ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/six-sheffield-gentlemen-at-a-table-72844 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Baffled by this one : Site of Crookes Valley Road (Great Dam Road from Mushroom Lane, Western Park by George Pearson Hattersley (1882) http://www.bbc.co.uk...mushroom-l72066 It feels right, just cannot orientate myself; there's the Church, so Harcourt Road is towards the left ?? I reckon it's about where this placemark is, looking straight up the image The painting's dated 1882 and as close as I can find Harcourt Rd was built in the 1880's, so maybe it isn't there yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madannie77 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Captain Thomas Asline Ward (1781-1871) by Francis Leggatt Chantrey. What year did Chantry pass away ? for dating purposes - and how old does Asline Ward look ? http://www.bbc.co.uk...-17811871-71110 Chantrey died in 1841. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Baffled by this one : Site of Crookes Valley Road (Great Dam Road from Mushroom Lane, Western Park by George Pearson Hattersley (1882) http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/site-of-crookes-valley-road-great-dam-road-from-mushroom-l72066 It feels right, just cannot orientate myself; there's the Church, so Harcourt Road is towards the left ?? Crookes Valley Road is built on an embankment. Before it was built the road to Commonside ran along Winter Street then ran down to the level of the Great Dam, along the dam wall and then steep back up again to Barber Road. I cannot remember the exact details but I'm sure I read that a local horse bus owner started to fill the dip in and it was eventually finished by the Corporation. I've probably got that wrong but I'm sure some-one on here will know the exact details. HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Crookes Valley Road is built on an embankment. Before it was built the road to Commonside ran along Winter Street then ran down to the level of the Great Dam, along the dam wall and then steep back up again to Barber Road. I cannot remember the exact details but I'm sure I read that a local horse bus owner started to fill the dip in and it was eventually finished by the Corporation. I've probably got that wrong but I'm sure some-one on here will know the exact details. HD According to Peter Harvey, 'In 1881 a petition signed by 3,115 Crookes ratepayers asked for a new road to replace the old steep and inconvenient road that went down into the valley bottom. Three plans were considered; improvements to the old road; an iron bridge across the valley; or a new road on an embankment.The embankment was chosen, and more than 200,000 cubic feet of material was tipped to form the embankment. Throughout the planning stages it was called The Great Dam Road, after the nearby Grreat Dam. But some people thought it sounded like bad language so it was changed to Crookes Valley Road' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Balm Green by Thomas Aldam (1858) http://www.bbc.co.uk...sheffield-72675 and PictureSheffield, Cottages Balm Green (site of the City Hall), though this picture from 1900-1909. http://www.picturesh...GVyYXRpb249QU5E 1876 drawing http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)s13220($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOWJhbG0lMjglMjQlN0MrJTJCJTI5JTNCQU5EJTNCYWxsJTNCTUFUQ0hFUyUzQiUyOCU1RSU3QyslMkIlMjlncmVlbiUyOCUyNCU3QyslMkIlMjkmYWN0aW9uPXNlYXJjaCZvcGVyYXRpb249QU5E (also mentions Queen Steel Works belonging to John Lucas, Iron and Steel Merchant on Holly Street). Any snippets of maps from the 1850's please. Trying to work out the stone building on the right ... This 1890 map shows the steel works and court numbers, with very few changes when compared to a less detailed 1850's map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Ann Mellor, victualler Cutler's Arms, 7 New Church Street, White's 1852 ... confusing ... New Church Street didn't run that far, did it ? and I thougt the low numbers were down towards the (current) library end ?? Down by Cabbage Alley ... Though it looks mightily like a pub, apparently it isn't : Richard Mellor, grocer and flower dealer, 116 Barker's Pool (1852) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Though it looks mightily like a pub, apparently it isn't : Richard Mellor, grocer and flower dealer, 116 Barker's Pool (1852) Balm Green & Barkers Pool painting. If Mellor is 116, then 114 is William Laycock, Mason & Stone merchant (1852) - I thought it said "Wei" which was leading me down weights and measures ... kind of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/reuben-hallam-18181908-72682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 "Wadsley Jack" http://sheffieldvoices.group.shef.ac.uk/fgrhallam.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" Wadsley Jack or the Humours and Adventures of a Travelling Cutler. 1866. Published by John Holmes, Oxford Street. Sheffield: J. Robert Shaw, Steam Printer, Angel Street. SC. EDD Yks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" REUBEN HALLAM, AUTHOR AND PUBLICAN. Reuben Hallam, although not a native of Brad well, lived here for several years in the early seventies. when he kept the " Shoulder of Mutton." A clever and widely read man, full of knowledge of men and things, and possessed of considerable talent, his life was one of strange vicissitudes and unusual experiences. He was born in Sheffield in 1819, and died there in 1909, aged 90. He was a roving spirit, and wrote a serial story " Wadsley Jack, the humours and adventures of a travelling cutler." " Lilia Nightingale," and " T'ups and Dahns o' Sheffield life," were among his productions. It was really an account of his own experiences in early life. For some years he learnt carving, afterwards forged knife blades; he was a talented violinist, for some time performed in a travelling theatre, became proprietor of a boxing saloon and a professor of pugilism, and was at one time double bass singer, scenic artist and assistant manager at the Theatre Royal, Sheffield. He was for many years choirmaster at St. John's Church, Sheffield, and published " An introduction to the Art of Singing," and in his early days he was a famous cricketer. He was, indeed a most entertaining person, and many a time has he related his reminiscences in the "Shoulder of Mutton." http://www.ebooksrea...ope-v-ala.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" The dialect used by the working classes of Sheffield differs in some respects from that of Barnsley, and Reuben Hallam, whose acquaintance I made while in the capital of Cutlerdom, is said to be the only man who perfectly understands it. He is the author of a story written in that dialect, entitled "Wadsley Jack" which, first in the weekly supplement of the Sheffield Independent, and afterwards as a volume, attained immense local popularity. Once, when reporting in the Barnsley police-court, I heard a witness from Skelmanthorpe, a village between Barnsley and Huddersficld, say, in reply to a question, "Ah took na gorm of it." " Took no what ? " said one of the magistrates. " He means, your worship, that he took no notice," observed the inspector. I had never heard the word before, and have never heard it since, but I lately came across it in one of the novels of Charlotte Bronte. -------------------------------------------- Gormless ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reuben Hallam (1818-1908) by W. Lindley "Wadsley Jack" Flawed, but interesting : My puzzles: Who was Samuel Hallam? where was he born and when did he die? I know he married Hannah Hadfield in Bradfield, Yks 12 Feb 1810. I know he had at least three sons Alfred 1814-15, Edric Hallam 1817-1861, Reuben Hallam 1819-1908- also known as Wadsworth Jack. Reuben spent his life in entertaining others- musician, singer, author, newspaper columnist, portrait artist, boxer, actor, cutler, cricket player, publican- the list seems endless. Of Edric, Reuben's brother and my ancestor, little is known- other than birth, marriage, death, a child and a trade (cutler). He married young and died in his middle age, and almost certainly did not enjoy similar exploits to his brother. Of parents Samuel Hallam and Hannah Hatfield even less is known. So this is my current puzzle to solve -who was Samuel Hallam? and what did he do in life? http://booksnpuzzles.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html (If I vaguely understood the website, I would update them about Wadsworth Jack ! Can anyone make head or tail of it ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Up the Porter - Godfrey Sykes (1856) http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/up-the-porter-71260 Any ideas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Sheffield Fair by John Simmons http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/sheffield-fair-72141 Sheffield Fair by John Simmons. View is of Blonk Street region, the building right of centre is Tower Grinding Wheel (as known as Castle Grinding Wheel), Samuel Orborn & Co. Ltd, Clyde Steel Works, Blonk Street - PictureSheffield link : http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)s09789($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOWJsb25rJTI4JTI0JTdDKyUyQiUyOSZhY3Rpb249c2VhcmNoJm9wZXJhdGlvbj1BTkQmcGFnZT01 viewed from the right of the painting - from Victoria Station : http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)s11478($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOWJsb25rJTI4JTI0JTdDKyUyQiUyOSZhY3Rpb249c2VhcmNoJm9wZXJhdGlvbj1BTkQmcGFnZT01 Regards Bignose www.SheffieldHistory.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Sheffield Iris Office by Christopher Thomson (1859) https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/sheffield-iris-office-hartshead-71338 and Sheffield, Montgomery Tavern - unknown artist https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/montgomery-tavern-sheffield-72692 ------------------ Basically the same image ... Iris Office, No. 12 Hartshead, from entrance to Aldine Court, (later became Montgomery Tavern) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07166&pos=10&action=zoom&id=10383 1795 image https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07168&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10385 Another 1795 image https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07169&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10386 Iris Office, date unknown https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07171&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10388 1862 image https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07167&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10384 Montgomery Tavern, date unknown https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07170&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10387 Montgomery Tavern, date unknown https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07173&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10389 Montgomery Tavern, from Aldine Court, date unknown https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07174&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10390 James Montgomery Plaque, showing the site of the Iris printing office, Sheffield Telegraph Offices, Hartshead https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s07739&pos=1&action=zoom&id=10915 Corner of Aldine Court and No. 12, Hartshead, Montgomery Tavern, originally Iris Office, right https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s12906&pos=1&action=zoom&id=15807 Hartshead from Aldine Court, No. 12, Montgomery Tavern, originally the Iris Offices (photo from 1900-1909) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s12911&pos=1&action=zoom&id=15811 Another 1862 image Hartshead showing No. 12, the shop and office at which the poet Montgomery wrote and published 'The Iris' and most of his poetical works (later becme Montgomery Tavern) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s16814&pos=1&action=zoom&id=19503 Iris Office, No. 12, Hartshead (later became Montgomery Tavern) with a Milk Boy in the foreground, date unknown https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s16815&pos=1&action=zoom&id=19504 Iris Office https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s22446&pos=1&action=zoom&id=24921 Theophilus Smith photograph taken in the 1860's, Montgomery Tavern, Hartshead (formerly the Iris offices, No. 12 Hartshead) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t03020&pos=1&action=zoom&id=33373 James Montgomery Plaque, showing the site of the Iris printing office, Sheffield (image 18/8/1957) https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y01304&pos=1&action=zoom&id=48391 Last one https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y01868&pos=1&action=zoom&id=48836 (links updated 25 March 2022 @HughW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayleaf Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Up the Porter - Godfrey Sykes (1856) http://www.bbc.co.uk...he-porter-71260 Any ideas ? Well, working downstream, it's not Forge dam, as it's obviously a dam built up above river level. Nor is it Wire mill dam, as the river is the wrong side. It could be Leather Wheel, (no longer there), though the dam looks too wide. Similarly it's not Shepherd Wheel for the same reason, and the overflow's in the wrong place. I think the best fit is Holme Wheel, the lower dam in Endcliffe, but the hillside on the right is wrong, and the overflow is in the wrong place. Second best, Ibbotson Wheel, the lower dam in Whiteley Woods/Bingham Park, though again the dam is a bit wide and again the overflow is in the wrong place. Of course, based on the discussion of other paintings, particularly the 5 Arches one, there could be artistic licence at work, or it may even be a composite of several dams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 and by the looks of the St Pauls pictures with the wrong titles it could be a view of Violey May's in springtime - I must be their best customer at the BBC picture-thingie - "Hey, folks, we've got another one from the nutter at SheffieldHistory !" either that or they appreciate the input ... which is probably nice Of course, based on the discussion of other paintings, particularly the 5 Arches one, there could be artistic licence at work, or it may even be a composite of several dams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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