Stuart0742 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Received this by email today, together with this photo Hi, I have been looking up my family history. We were under the understanding that my great grandfather ran a pub called the 'Stag'. Thought you might be interested in the attached photo. Isaac is driving, with his wife Bertha (died 1922) and 2 sons. I have other photos if you are interested. Simon Photo is titled 1st car in Sheffield Needham may have owned I wonder where this was taken and which Stag he ran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Received this by email today, together with this photo Hi, I have been looking up my family history. We were under the understanding that my great grandfather ran a pub called the 'Stag'. Thought you might be interested in the attached photo. Isaac is driving, with his wife Bertha (died 1922) and 2 sons. I have other photos if you are interested. Simon Photo is titled 1st car in Sheffield Needham may have owned I wonder where this was taken and which Stag he ran? Use the SheffieldHistory Google Search tool !!! Most interested in more photos (not known at The Stag unless Ukelele Lady knows differently; known at two other pubs mind you ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Use the SheffieldHistory Google Search tool !!! Most interested in more photos (not known at The Stag unless Ukelele Lady knows differently; known at two other pubs mind you ...) 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall That's one or 'em; my data may be a little ahead of what is posted here, but then, some is behind - none of which helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall Hart -Stag. Sounds reasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall Hart -Stag. Sounds reasonable to me. The photograph was taken outside the White Hart Inn. Link to picturesheffield Does not appear to be a pub now. Image courtesy of Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall 1898-1917 on my data ... then shows up again at The Plumpers, Tinsley in 1922 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 1898-1917 on my data ... then shows up again at The Plumpers, Tinsley in 1922 1925, Sheffield and Rotherham Directory Needham Charles Isaac, Plumpers' Hotel, Sheffield Road, Attercliffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 1911. NEEDHAM, Charles I 119, White Hart Inn (Full Licence), Worksop Road, Attercliffe Cum Darnall William Pepper had the place 1919-1925. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JSP Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 William Pepper had the place 1919-1925. Given me something to research there, my other side of the family is Pepper of Sheffield. Got some digging to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Given me something to research there, my other side of the family is Pepper of Sheffield. Got some digging to do! Go dig and please let us know - whatever it is you find, whether its your relatives or not. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Given me something to research there, my other side of the family is Pepper of Sheffield. Got some digging to do! Great stuff , I knew I'd posted a Needham some where but I'm also on to the Salutation at Chapeltown who has an Edward Pepper. Will get that one on tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrup Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Given me something to research there, my other side of the family is Pepper of Sheffield. Got some digging to do! Got you a few Peppers for you. 1881 Census 118, East Free Trade Inn, Carlisle St, Brightside Bierlow PEPPER, Fredrick 35 1846 Publican Born Derbyshire PEPPER, Ruth 29 1852 Born Sheffield PEPPER, Edward 7 1874 PEPPER, Ada 5 1876 PEPPER, Fredrick 3 1878 PEPPER, William 1 1880 MARSDEN, Eliza Servant 14 1867 Nurse Girl DARWEN, Eliza Servant 18 1863 General Serv Domestic 1851 Census Bulls Head Brampton, Brampton Bierlow PEPPER, William 53 1798 Farmer & Victualler Born Whitworth Yorkshire PEPPER, Mary 44 1807 PEPPER, Elizabeth 22 1829 PEPPER, Catherine 18 1833 PEPPER, Henry 16 1835 PEPPER, Arthur 6 1845 FARNSWORTH, Emma Servant 22 1829 House Servant CARR, Charles Servant 22 1829 Farm Servant RUSSEL, John Servant 16 1835 Farm Servant ALLOTT, John 15 1836 Ostler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JSP Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Got you a few Peppers for you. 1881 Census 118, East Free Trade Inn, Carlisle St, Brightside Bierlow PEPPER, Fredrick 35 1846 Publican Born Derbyshire PEPPER, Ruth 29 1852 Born Sheffield PEPPER, Edward 7 1874 PEPPER, Ada 5 1876 PEPPER, Fredrick 3 1878 PEPPER, William 1 1880 MARSDEN, Eliza Servant 14 1867 Nurse Girl DARWEN, Eliza Servant 18 1863 General Serv Domestic 1851 Census Bulls Head Brampton, Brampton Bierlow PEPPER, William 53 1798 Farmer & Victualler Born Whitworth Yorkshire PEPPER, Mary 44 1807 PEPPER, Elizabeth 22 1829 PEPPER, Catherine 18 1833 PEPPER, Henry 16 1835 PEPPER, Arthur 6 1845 FARNSWORTH, Emma Servant 22 1829 House Servant CARR, Charles Servant 22 1829 Farm Servant RUSSEL, John Servant 16 1835 Farm Servant ALLOTT, John 15 1836 Ostler Thanks so much, it's really quite difficult to tell. i struggle with Pepper as they originate from Wentworth as farmers/publicans. At some point they moved to Sheffield and patented a brewing machine. I have a record book of a Dr. Robert Pepper so reading through this to try ad find any clues, will update. There's alsorts in it from the accounts of the Sheffield Carriage company to the cost of a patent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JSP Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 whites 1919, William Pepper Vict. White Hart PH, Abode: 119 Workshop Road, Attercliffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Charles Isaac Needham was at the White Hart 119 Church Street [ 119 Worksop Road ] Attercliffe from 1898 to 1917 [ see A to Z of pubs ] A Edwin Pepper was at the Salutation 170 Wortley Road High Green from 1887 to 1898 Then [ maybe his son ] Tom Pepper 1902 to at least 1907. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Probably a bit late to reply now but I think a Charles I Needham ran the. Stag Inn at Wickersley Road, Rotherham before my great grandad. So about 1940. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Charles Isaac Needham was born in Cardiff in 1869 the son of John and Elizabeth Needham - John was a Manchester wheel chipper. The family soon moved to Sheffield and Charles aged 2 in 1871, was living at Midland Place, Wincobank. In 1881 Charles was at 10 Neville street, his father, a fetler, had remarried after his wife's death. In 1891 Charles was a moulder living with his family at 48 Worksop road. In June 1895 he was a 26 year old moulder, at Attercliffe, when he married Bertha Bray, the daughter of publican William Henry Bray (of the Plough Inn, Milner Road). Bertha's parents both died in 1899. By August 1901 Charles and Bertha were at the White Hart Inn, and he gave notice that he intended to apply to move his licence to new premises to be erected next door to the existing pub, both the property of Wm Stones Ltd. - it was approved. From 1914 to 1916 he was also president of the Sheffield and Rotherham Licensed Victuallers Association, difficult war years for the licensed trade. Charles retired in 1919. In 1920 during the 1919-20 iron moulders' strike, William Pepper the new landlord of the White Hart showed his sympathies when he held a concert in aid of their Distress Fund. In June 1921, Charles having retired from the White Hart in 1919, was living at 13 Main Road, Handsworth. However the retirement was short lived, as by July 1921 the licence of the Plumpers Inn at Tinsley was transferred to him. In November 1925, still at the Plumpers, he was fined for negligently driving his car zig-zag fashion, at speed in Furnival Road, hitting a lorry. Drunkeness was involved. He blamed poor lighting creating pockets of darkeness combined with "the wrong glasses". From 1928 to 1934 he was treasurer of the Licensed Victuallers Association In September 1933 he left the Plumpers for the Stag Inn at Herringthorpe. On taking the Stag Inn he practically rebuilt it. In 1939 aged 71 and still at the Stag Inn, he was the first chairman of the newly formed Golf Society of the Licensed Victuallers Association. Charles died aged 73, still at the Stag Inn and was buried on 24th September 1942 in Darnall Cemetery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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