RichardB Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 re the football team. Looking through some books of old photos the kit and some of the faces look similar to Sheffield United circa 1900. The chap on the left definitely looks looks like John Nicholson, United Secretary 1899-1932 The stand behind looks like the old John Street stand built in 1895 which had a white wall running along the middle. Pre- or post-Fatty Foulkes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Roughly what year did all this tram track laying start.? Then I might know which photographs to search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 What about this from the picturesheffield and being at a different angle. Fargate looking down at the Telegraph & Star . What would be at the corner that is not in the picture? Light bulb danglies? picturesheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Tram-laying, South Street, Moor, note hangy-dangler-lightie-fellas on the left on a corner and lampposts too and blinds on the shop on the right and a letter "M" hiding behind another lamppost Link to hangy-danglers You're on the right lines but you're beating down the wrong track he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madannie77 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Roughly what year did all this tram track laying start.? Then I might know which photographs to search. The horse tram tracks were built in the 1870s. The electric tram tracks were laid from 1899 onwards, the majority of those in the city centre being completed by about 1905. There were lots of track renewals in the 1910-1915 period, but in photos of these the traction poles would probably be visible. This photo is driving me crazy (again). Spent far too long on it when RichardB first linked to it, and now I am spending too much time on it again, still without any success. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madannie77 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 What about this from the picturesheffield and being at a different angle. Fargate looking down at the Telegraph & Star . What would be at the corner that is not in the picture? Light bulb danglies? picturesheffield The tracks coming in from the left are from Leopold Street, so what is in the other corner is what I will always call Wilson Pecks: Even before the construction of that building, the background of buildings in the mystery photo does not correspond, as the background from Leopold Street would be Surrey Street and the Town Hall. Now for something completely different: When the tram lines were built in the early 1900s, a curve was laid from South Street/The Moor into Ellin Street. This was one of several bits of track intended for further expansion which were never completed. The road layout (T-junction) is right, but is there any photographic evidence to support or debunk this idea? I am not finding anything conclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike142sl Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Do we have a map of the tram network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Do we have a map of the tram network? That is far too sensible a suggestion - I prefer the gazing at the same photo for hours on end approach - until it burns itself onto your retina ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl1867 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Pre- or post-Fatty Foulkes ? That is the real doubt as he should be there at that time but he wasn't so fat then but was tall so would stand out - all these blokes with taches look the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 ... all these blokes with taches look the same! and some of them are women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Unidentified house at Sheffield Architects drawing of a house at Sheffield. Hi Richard I've had a look at a clearer scan. The writing says: The Building News, 8 June 1883 Artist: W. R. Del, 1883 Architect: E. R. Robson Cheryl, Sheffield Archives Oh, that E. R. Robson ... Born in Durham, married Henry Longden's daughter Marian; liked golf, bicycling and billiards. ------------------------------------- There is every possibility that this house was never built ! Almost all the early schools built by the Sheffield School Board were designed by local architects. ER Robson, architect to the London School Board, was employed to design the Central Schools and School Board Offices (qv), as well as 2 board schools, of which this is one. The other is at Heeley Bank (qv), and dates from 1880. (Researches by G Hague, Sheffield City Council). Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Oh, that E. R. Robson ... Page 11 12 of 61 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Since I don't know about Trams and such, I've ignored them and gone for Pubs and Theatres instead ! The building on the right hand side is a Theatre and I present a possibility for your consideration I don't think that the building to the right is a theatre. There is no canopy to the front which a theatre at that time would certainly have. A lot of the shops in photo's of that era have elaborate electrically lit sign-boards above them and the canvas blinds would seem to indicate retail premises. Perhaps we should look at large shops with tram lines curving round in front of them, probably only a few hundred fall in that category. HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I don't think that the building to the right is a theatre. There is no canopy to the front which a theatre at that time would certainly have. A lot of the shops in photo's of that era have elaborate electrically lit sign-boards above them and the canvas blinds would seem to indicate retail premises. Perhaps we should look at large shops with tram lines curving round in front of them, probably only a few hundred fall in that category. HD If it turns out to be Mrs Miggins and her infernal pies then I'll give it all up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I don't think that the building to the right is a theatre. There is no canopy to the front which a theatre at that time would certainly have. A lot of the shops in photo's of that era have elaborate electrically lit sign-boards above them and the canvas blinds would seem to indicate retail premises. Perhaps we should look at large shops with tram lines curving round in front of them, probably only a few hundred fall in that category. HD I agree with you hilldweller, it looks more like a large shop than a pub or a theatre. Most shops had these canvas pull down blinds at the time and it also looks like large glass windws. And what is it advertising up top of the building? What do those letters say? There was a building that used to have BOVRIL above it, but I can't remember where that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I agree with you hilldweller, it looks more like a large shop than a pub or a theatre. Most shops had these canvas pull down blinds at the time and it also looks like large glass windws. And what is it advertising up top of the building? What do those letters say? There was a building that used to have BOVRIL above it, but I can't remember where that was. Should we have a vote, that's always good for a laugh - they always descend into chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hanging lamps, s03252 https://www.picturesheffield.com/;s03252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hanging lamps, s03252 http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=s03252&prevUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOVNvdXRoX1N0cmVldF9Nb29yJTI4JTI0JTdDKyUyQiUyOSZhY3Rpb249c2VhcmNoJnBhZ2U9Mw== Those lamps on Atkinson’s, South Street (Moor) appear to be a lot lower down when compared to the image in question, most of the lamps seen on the mystery photograph hang above the window canopy/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Those lamps on Atkinson’s, South Street (Moor) appear to be a lot lower down when compared to the image in question, most of the lamps seen on the mystery photograph hang above the window canopy/s. Low hanging dangly-thingies then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Low hanging dangly-thingies then ... High hanging dangly-thingies, also with a very distinctive lamp extention thingymajig .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 High hanging dangly-thingies, also with a very distinctive lamp extention thingymajig .. Middle two have, it may be the angle of the dangle. distinctive window cills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike142sl Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Curious about the canopy outside the door of the building in the background. Would that be a Hotel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Hanging lamps, s03252 http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=s03252&prevUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDKyUyQiUyOVNvdXRoX1N0cmVldF9Nb29yJTI4JTI0JTdDKyUyQiUyOSZhY3Rpb249c2VhcmNoJnBhZ2U9Mw== The Atkinson's photo dates from 1905 according to Picture Sheffield. Any "posh" shop would have the latest fashions in exterior lighting 'so perhaps we can infer that our photo dates from that era. In my copy of Sheffield Corporation Tramways by Kenneth Gandy is a photo showing track re-laying on the Moor in 1909. This photo is attributed to Sheffield City Libraries but doesn't appear on Picture Sheffield as far as I can see. On a building on the right-hand side of the street is a shop with identical lamp fittings to the low hanging dangly thingies in our mystery photo. HD A further thought, are we absolutely positive that the tracks are being laid across the front of the "shop" ? Could the bits of track and the rubble merely have been placed out of the way and the main action taking place on the road that runs across the photo behind the "shop". And can I see the start of a letter A on the extreme edge of the "shop" signboard ? Could therefore the "shop" be the side of John Atkinsons and the road across the photo be the Moor. That concludes the case for the prosecution Milord ! HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHB Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 George Binns Ltd, no visible dangly thingies, but note the the roof signs at either end of the building. picturesheffield And with some danglers .. picturesheffield links repaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilldweller Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 George Binns Ltd, no dangly thingies, but note the the roof signs at either end of the building. picturesheffield And with some danglers .. picturesheffield When the tram tracks were re-laid on the Moor in 1909 the service was maintained by laying temporary tracks on the surface outside of the existing tracks. The photos in the Gandy book show bits of curved track used to facilitate the transitions from centre to outer tracks as work progressed. My money's on somewhere near South Street/The Moor. HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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