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  1. Looking at the Chequers or Old Cow (Beerhouse) posting, I think that these are two different places. White's 1833 directory has: Jane Alsop, vict. Chequers, 43 Coalpit Lane John Renwick, Old Cow beerhouse, 64 Coalpit Lane The 1837 directory also has: Jane Alsop, vict. Chequers, 43 Coalpit Lane John Renwick, beerhouse, 64 Coalpit Lane But then, Robson's 1839 directory has: A. Alsop, Beer Retailer, 64 Coalpit Lane Jno. Renwick, pen & pocket knife manufacturer & beer retailer, 12 Coalpit Lane It looks that Coalpit Lane was renumbered between 1837 and 1839; #43 became #64, and #64 became #12
  2. Did Newton Chambers have any part in the development of these products - does anyone know please ? If not, who did ?
  3. Ponytail

    Grandma's Scrapbook

    Sheffield Coat of Arms, Sheffield Market Cross and the King's Head Hotel & Lepping Stones First Jewish Cemetery, Bowdon Street. Coronation Exhibition of Inventions Exhibition, Edmund Drill Hall. Lord Mayor Councillor Mrs. A E Longden. Death of Mr. G. H Barker former Depty Chief Constable of Sheffield. Christ Church, Attercliffe; High Street. Traffic problem on High Street in the late 1880's William Kirk of Chapeltown climbed 120ft pylon for a bet & Sir William Clegg photograph. Birdman, Harry Ward in special flying costume making a flight at Coal Aston. Sheffield Cathedral engraving about 1820. Timothy Bright born at Carbrook did he invent shorthand? "Buffer Girls" painting by Sir William Rothenstein presented by Sir Robert Hadfield to the Graves Art Gallery. Slippery Stones and Packhorse Bridge under threat of submersion under the waters of new Ashopton reservoir. Little John's grave at Hathersage.
  4. My Dad worked at ESC. and he maintained that they installed a special toilet …in case it was needed and that much paint was splashed around the place , including a pile of coal which received a coat of whitewash.!
  5. Lysanderix

    English Steel Sports Club, Shiregreen Lane.

    In an earlier life ,I tutored local history groups ,out Doncaster way, as part of an EU funded scheme in areas decimated by the closure of the coal mines. I encouraged exactly what you are talking about, ponytail, it is real history and needs encouraging, Three of the groups I worked with ended up writing local histories…which gave them great satisfaction…especially, when one was launched in the local library, with tea and biscuits…and the Mayor.
  6. This bridge or tramway brought coal into the depot from the Nunnery Colliery, I managed to find the tunnel entrance on Worthing Rd, an abutmentto the bridge on the canal tow path across from the pallet yard and a stone pier on Effingham Rd opposite the gate to the pallet yard. Would welcome any info or pics of the structure.
  7. Unitedite Returns

    Mystery Tar Works

    Could be a coal gas mains dewatering plant. There were some pretty hefty coal gas mains around Sheffield, back in the day, supplying coal gas solely for industrial users. One such system connected the Orgreave site with the steelworks. Cannot help with location, but there seems to be a railway embankment in the background. Possibly, the 1500v DC line.
  8. Picking this post by Gramps and dropping a copy here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original post The Sportsman was next door to Leah's Yard in 1850 and there were several other pubs on Coalpit lane, - the Union on the corner with Diivision street, the Yellow Lion, Wellington Tavern, Barley Corn Tavern, Red Lion, and the Chequers Inn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Sportsman was next door to Leah's Yard in 1850; Sportsmans was standing/occupied in 1833 There were several other pubs on Coalpit Lane, - The Union (occupied in 1818-20 period) on the corner with Division street (this site would later become the Albert; notice the different orientation of the Union on the map, and the Albert which went down Cambridge Street). RSVP occupies the corner of Cambridge Street/Division Street according to PictureSheffield. The Yellow Lion, 1 Coal Pit Lane (became the Cambridge Arms from 1871 onwards), Wellington Tavern (aka the Duke of Wellington) occupied from at least 1820, Barley Corn Tavern (Corner House/Henry's), Red Lion (1822), and the Chequers Inn, also known as the Old Cow; occupied from 1820 onwards. In addition : Brushmakers Arms/Brickmakers Arms/Stationers Arms from 1818-1829, Stationers Arms, Peter Daws 1818-20, 1821 and 1822. Brickmakers Arms , J Loy in 1825. Cutler 32-34 Cambridge Street (no names or dates) Dog and Partridge/Nell's Bar Tenuous but ... Parrot 9 Button Lane/9 Moor Head/Foot of Coalpit Lane) Barcentro (1999) Weatherspoon 12-18 Cambridge Street (1999) and ... Victuallers from 1787 : James Beard Samuel Fowler John Hague James Holt Widow Jeeves Benjamin Mappin and Margaret Teasdale Nice map BTW
  9. Old Sheffield

    Frecheville shops

    I can't remember the name, but there was a supermarket where Admiral chippy is now. There was episode of Blue Peter where they built an igloo out of cardboard boxes. I think we got as far as nicking the cardboard boxes from the supermarket yard, but don't remember producing an igloo out of them. They probably spent a few months in the coal House until Dad threw them out.
  10. miamivice

    Swallows Colliery Mosborough

    Happened to be wandering about last week on Mosborough Moor, managed to snap the remains of an old coal tub in the undergrowth presumably from the old Moorside Colliery. It was in the undergrowth on a MASSIVE sheet of concrete which may or may not be coving an old adit. Also found what appeared to me the footings for the original pit head in the woods at Swallows Colliery. Further probing on the Coal Authorities website shows another shaft has appeared on their mapping system a few metres to the East of the two existing shafts. No evidence could be found of this. Not sure whether I was hoping for a gaping big hole in the ground!
  11. Can someone tell me if there is a list of Coal Miner Deaths for the period 1860 to 1890 for the mines in and around Sheffield. One Tom Mellor was a Coal Miner in 1881 and then disappears. Regards Rick
  12. History dude

    Electrification

    Many of the issues that you mention were not really caused by political circumstances. But issues arising from using old technology. The UK in 1948 had great stocks of coal, so there was no need to invest in electric services or expensive and unreliable diesel trains. But then the problem of the pollution from coal burning messed that up. Clean air was needed and steam trains were a big cause of the smog. Electrification on the other hand needed loads of bridges to be heightened. That wasn't a problem in mainland Europe as nearly all the railway bridges had been blown up by the UK and USA forces. The Woodhead route was never extended to the South, even though the Great Central line to London was someone's idea of a high speed rail route, long before they were popular. To British Rail it was just duplication of services. BR also adopted 25KV electrification for nearly every other main route, so the Woodhead line was not compatible with this. Early on the diesel idea was going to be put in place. But I understand that there was some sort of crisis that ended cheap oil to the UK. When diesels were forced on BR, bad management insured a mess. So orders went out for the wrong type of locomotives, leading to many getting scrapped after five years of life. All from public money, but BR were good at keeping things like that quite.
  13. This is a transcription of an autobiography, typed by Joseph in 1927 when he was 81. Much of it was included by Jack Branston in his History of Stocksbridge but this is from Joseph's original book and contains other material not included there. The autobiography contains details on Hathersage, Stocksbridge, Deepcar and the Fox works at Stocksbridge, and provides a few personal recollections of individuals as well. Joseph Sheldon: Reminiscences. 1845 - 1927 Early Days 1. The writer of these pages was born at Booths, Hathersage, on September 28th, 1845, being the sixth son in a family of eight boys and one girl. Parents were Mary and Joseph Sheldon. The father and two sons were Millstone Makers, which was an unhealthy trade; its workers as a rule died young. My father, at the age of 55, died, leaving a large family. Our mother died at the same age. Hathersage, 70 years ago, was an interesting and beautiful place, as it is at the present time. Food, except what the local farmers produced, had to be brought from Sheffield and other places, carriers, carts & horse ‘buses were kept busy, also there were many market carts. The coal required by the householders and manufactories had to be brought by horse and cart from Dore, Dronfield and other places. For many years, Hathersage was a very prosperous little village; besides Millstone Makers, there were three industries., Joseph Cocker & Son., Robert Cook & Son, and Tobias Child. The business was that of wire drawing, Hackle pins, Needles and other articles made from drawn wire. Robert Cook & Sons used to take wires to Padley Mill to be ground – the grinding mill stood near the present Midland Station, Grindleford Bridge. It is claimed that this was the first wire drawing mill in England. There were two other wire mills in Hathersage at that time; one in the middle of Hathersage, owned and used by Cocker Brothers, the other at the top of Hathersage. Both these mills were in active work when I was a young boy. I soured wire at both the mills at the bottom of Hathersage. This process consisted of scouring wire from a black to a bright state. The material used was burnt sandstone, crushed to a fine powder and mixed with oil, a portion of which was placed in a pad of rough flannel or old stockings made into a pad, which was gripped firmly in the right hand and rubbed backwards and forwards on a length of about three feet, then wrapped on two pegs in front of the worker. This operation continued until the whole length was scoured. Wages, two or three shillings a week, for a boy of nine or ten. Perhaps School days should have been mentioned before working days. At that time, there were two schools in Hathersage. The “Dame School” was conducted by the Aunt of Mr. Cresswell, who was the Master of the Upper School. The “Dame School” was held over the Hearse House, near the bottom of Hathersage and near to the Upper School. When attending the “Dame School” I remember that I wore a blue pinafore with white spots. Once when crossing the road near the Wesleyan Chapel, I was knocked down by a passing vehicle and was carried to the School Master’s House, near by. It was a very interesting day for the scholars when the Bread Cart came from Bakewell with loaves of bread for distribution amongst the poor people who were having parish relief. Many times these loaves were brought to the home of the writer. It was a great occasion when transferred from the “Dame School” to the Upper School. Not only boys but young men attended the Upper School during the winter months, principally farmer’s sons, who gave much trouble to the master. On one occasion, something very interesting passed through Hathersage which was followed by a number of the scholars, on its way to Castleton. These scholars returned late to school, which meant severe flogging by the Master. During the flogging, a scuffle arose between the teacher and the older scholars; the scholars resenting the punishment results. I well remember seeing the teacher and scholars down on the floor. The junior scholars escaped punishment. Although the master was a tall man, I made up my mind to have my revenge when I was big enough. School days, for the writer, were neither numerous nor pleasant and I often played truant, preferring to wander in the fields rather than lessons and cane in school. Hathersage boys, of which I was one, were much given to fighting in those days, often with one hand fastened behind. In order to see a fight, one of the bigger boys would hold out his arm and say “best cock spit over my arm” meaning that the boy who ventured to spit was considered champion if no one else followed, but usually a second boy followed and a fight was the result. One dreadful practice in some of these fights, was that the fighters were allowed to nip, scratch, lug or bite. In one of these fights, the writer received a severe thrashing from a little Warwickshire boy, who held his opponent’s head down while he gave the thrashing. When the dams at Redmires were bring made a number of the boy walked there from Hathersage on the Sunday afternoon, instead of going to Sunday School. On their return, one of the boys remembered his sins and was afraid to go home so he stopped in a corner of a field and said his prayers. He has often pointed out the place to his friends when visiting Hathersage. In those days, “Winter” was a time dreaded by the outside workers, especially the Millstone workers, when the frost was in the stone. My father and two brothers often were out of work for one, two or three months, except removing snow from the drifted-up roads in payment of the rates, also for the same purpose, the writer and an older brother walked three or four miles in the direction of Ringinglow to break stones at threepence per load. These were indeed “Hard Times” when the principle meal of the day consisted of potato and turnip pie, with oatmeal crust. I well remember one day, my mother saying that the one who was working must have the food and his dinner was several squares of Yorkshire Pudding with sauce, which I took to him at the wire mill. I also remember seeing the furniture marked and removed from the house until the rent could be paid, although the owner of the house was a relation. It was a great treat to have the opportunity of going an errand, or doing some little thing for a neighbour and receive a slice of bread and treacle or jam as payment. There were two “Saturday Pennies” in the family in those days, but a few years later I think I was the happiest boy in Hathersage when my Mother gave me two pence with which to go to Hope Fair, and this she borrowed from a kind neighbour. New suits for the younger boys depended largely on the Bilberry and Blackberry crops. My Mother, with several of the boys, would go to Bamford Bridge, Eyam Moor, Moscar and other places, sometimes more than three miles from home, gathering bilberries all day. When a sufficient quantity was gathered, they were taken to Sheffield,a distance of ten miles, and sold at 8d. per quart. I remember we usually turned off to the left at Hunters Bar going in the direction of Wesley College, and calling at the houses near there. The same was done during the Blackberry season but the Blackberries grew nearer home than the Bilberries. My Mother usually went, with one or two of the boys, to Sheffield to sell the fruit, walking all the way there and back. When sufficient money was got, suits were bought. This went on for many years. My Mother was one of the best and most capable women in Hathersage but under the above conditions it was no wonder that both Mother and Father were called Home at the early age of fifty-five and my great regret has been, that when I got to a position when I could have helped them, they were not there to be helped. Later, I was engaged by Mr. Henry Broomhead, Shopkeeper and Farmer, to do general work on the Farm. Leaving Home. Before I was thirteen years of age, I left home to live with Mr. Walker at Leadmill, where I remained three years as farmer’s boy, doing general work. I have always looked back to the years with Mr. Walker as a very happy time. My only special outfit for this, my first situation was a soft felt hat which had been my father’s and was right, however placed on the head. It was made in Bradwell by a firm of Hatmakers. During my stay with Mr. Walker, I learnt to milk cows, mow and thrash corn but my principle work was with the Horse and Cart., fetching coal from Dronfield and Holmsfield, taking wood from the Highlow Woods to these coal mines to be used as pit props. My father was taken ill the day I left home and in twenty weeks, he passed away. On the occasion of my father’s death, Mrs. Frith (mother of Mrs. Walker) gave me a black silk necktie and a pair of low shoes, which had belonged to her husband. Rather old fashioned for a boy of thirteen but were valued and worn by him. I had one difficulty here, as I had two mistresses and when in favour with one I was in disfavour with the other which made it impossible to please two mistresses. Mr. Walker was as good as a father and a true friend all the time I was with them. I always think of the three years at Leadmill as a foundation of a future healthy life. When at Leadmill I had on three occasions a narrow escape of losing my life. Once I was pulled out of the Derwent when in flood. Another occasion was the time of sheep washing. The sheep were brought from the moors and put in pens by the side of the river. I was one who helped to ring them to the washers, and possibly trying to be clever, I got on the sheep’s back, holding by its horns. Instead of the boy taking the sheep to the Washers it bounded forward in the water but was caught by the men before getting into deeper water and taken safely to land. I was wearing a pair of tight-fitting black cloth trousers and it was with difficulty I walked up the hill to make a change. I formed some very pleasant companionships with the farmers’ sons in the district, some older, some younger. Recently, I revisited the place and found some of my old companions still living, although more than sixty years since I had seen them. One family named Middleton who still live in the same farm and have lived under three Dukes of Devonshire; four brothers, their ages from 74 to 88; three are still working on the farm. We had a real Derbyshire talk when they knew I was “Joe Sheldon”. Other old associates were visited with equal interest and pleasure and we agreed to have a tea party when next I visit Leadmill. When in my sixteenth year and only having £8 a year, I was anxious for a situation with more money, but always made Mr. Walker’s my home when visiting Derbyshire. Coming to Yorkshire. At that time, many farm servants were hired at the hiring fairs which were held at various towns, Rotherham, Penistone, Bradfield, Hope., etc. It was very interesting to see the young men and women waiting to be hired. On May 13th, 1861, I formed one of that company and was hired at Hope Fair by Tommy Crawshaw of Park Farm, Deepcar, for £9 a year. In a few days after the engagement, I presented myself at Park Farm. The first Monday after my arrival there was Whit Monday which has always been a holiday. When I was told by Mr. Crawshaw to go and work in the garden and hearing the Band playing in Fox Bottom (Stocksbridge) I broke down and wept and could not eat any breakfast. Mr. Crawshaw’s Mother followed me into the garden with some oatcake and cheese and told me if I could not eat I could not work. I gave Mr. Crawshaw a month’s notice but he said I should have to stay a year as he had given me the “fastening penny” which was sometimes a shilling and sometimes more. On the morning when the month’s notice had expired I told Mr. Crawshaw I wanted my month’s wages and he told me I should not get it. I told him I should take him to the Court in Sheffield; he said the case would have to be tried in Barnsley. I went several times to ask for the money but have not got it yet. There lived at that time at Low Laith, two men both old enough to be my father, G.H. and E.D. These men got me to gamble with them at the game of “Odd Lad” a game in which it is very easy to cheat, so they got all my money and left me, a stranger in a strange land, without a penny. During the month’s notice, I went to see Mr. Joseph Crossland who lived at Morehall. He had three farms, Broomhead, Wood Farm and Morehall. He was brother-in-law to Mr. Walker, my late master, they having married two sisters. Mr. Crossland often visited at Leadmill so I knew him well. He took to me kindly and started me as one of his servants. I went to Morehall the morning I left Mr. Crawshaw. Mr. Crossland gave me a flask of home-brewed beer a large teacake and bacon, and directed me to a field behind Broomhead Hall, close to the moors to help in clearing away the twitch. I was very happy during the six months I was at Morehall and learnt to do more advanced farm work, also part of the time, I delivered mile daily in Sheffield, mostly at the Union Workhouse, Corporation Street. At the age of sixteen Mr. Crossland asked me if I could manage three horses on one machine in a fallow field. I told him I thought I could, and I did it on the Morehall farm. Sometimes, I worked on the Wood Farm, and, in the haychamber – there I wrote my first letter, which was to my Mother, who lived in Hathersage.there lived in the house at Morehall, the Horseman, the Cowman, and the writer, who was expected to take many parts. We three sat at a long table against the wall, near the door; three pots of home-brewed beer were placed on the table for us, varying in size according to our ages, also bread and a brown dish containing dripping. We were expected to help ourselves, which we did but got tired of the never-failing bread and dripping. We tried to bring about a change by eating up all the dripping, but to our disappointment there was a fresh supply next day. When living with Mr. Crossland, I exchanged my clothes box, which was a new one, for a double-barrelled pistol with Johnny Grant, the Horseman. There were a number of plum trees at Morehall and one Sunday afternoon some boys came from Deepcar to help themselves. They were caught and brought into the house, and Mr. Crossland said he would let them go if they would kneel down and ask his pardon, but I retired before the kneeling-down process began. Leaves Morehall for Townend. Having heard that Mr. Fox of Townend House wanted a boy about my age to live in the house I made application for the situation and had an interview with Mrs. Fox. Mr. Crossland gave me a character written on a scrap of paper which was not even in an envelope which said – “Joe was a good lad” – if it were possible now to choose between that scrap of paper and a £5 note, I would choose the scrap of paper. I came to Townend on December 2nd, 1861, and walked all the way from Hathersage. This walking seemed to make a good impression as young Mr. Fox came out of the room to see me and to congratulateme on having walked such a long way. My wages were £22 a year and one new suit of clothes and one long silk hat and a pair of white gloves, which I wore when riding by the side of the coachman when he was driving with the carriage and pair to Ebenezer Chapel on Sundays. Sometimes, I took the two maids in the Dog Cart to the same Chapel on Sunday nights. For several weeks I did not like the new situation and did not think I should stay. Mr. Fox was a very severe master and very hard to please. The coachman, George Ellis, had allowed one of the horses to run away with the Dog Cart. When the bill for damages came in he sent for the Coachman and discharged him at a minute’s notice, at the same time taking a kick at me and saying “Thou will be next”. My first work in the morning was to fetch the letter bag from the Post Office at Deepcar, kept by Thomas Turton. This was before 7 o’clock. Often when going up the field near to the house, Mr. Fox would be standing at the Kitchen door waiting for the bag. I had to deal with the letter bag later in the day. Letters from the Post Office and this letter bag, at that time, were taken to Sheffield by a man called Tom who had only one arm. I was often kept waiting at the works for the bag till it was time for me to be at Deepcar and had to run after the man sometimes into the Bitholmes before getting up to him. Another duty was to take dinner from Townend to the works for Mr. & Mrs. Fox. Sometimes, I went on the back of young Mr. Fox’s pony. At that time, what it now the Council Offices, was a stable in which I put the pony. On one occasion, I placed the basket containing the dinner, on top of the a wall inside the Council yard. An old man, called Chapell, who owned a donkey, lived near, and the donkey, evidently attracted by the dinner, came along and upset the basket and contents whilst I was putting the pony in the stable. The Horses from Townend were taken to be shod to the Blacksmith’s shop at Wharncliffe side, kept by Mr. Thomas Nichols; returning from there one dark November night on the back of the pony, and passing the rocks at the far end of the Bitholmes, suddenly the pony jumped on one side to allow a vehicle to pass which I had not seen, as at that time, it was not compulsory to have lights on vehicles. Mrs. Fox was very strict but very kind and took an interest in me. Apart from any actual work, she gaveme lessons in writing and for one lesson I wrote out the shortest psalm. She also provided me with books to read. One which I remember was “Old Humphrey’s Country Stories”. On wet Sunday nights, she would come to the Kitchen and give the maids and the boy a Scripture lesson. I remember one lesson about Noah. Before this time, Mrs. Fox had been a teacher in Ebenezer Sunday School. I look back to this time and to the interest, Mrs. Fox took in me, as the beginning of my desire for self-fulfilment. I joined Mr. Robertshaw’s Bible Class and in March 1864 (The Sunday before the Sheffield Flood) became a Sunday School Teacher and taught in the infant school with Mr. Hepworth. Jonathan and George Jubb were two of our scholars. I passed the London examination for Sunday School Teachers in 1875. The Mutual Improvement Society was a great institution and was a branch of what was known as the Yorkshire Mechanics Institute. I entered the Institute as a dull boy and became its secretary. It usually had two examinations, Higher and Lower. After several attempts I passed the Lower Exam. And two years later passed the Higher. When going to breakfast one morning and passing Mr. Robertshaw’s house, he came to the door with a document in his hand and said to me “They have made a D.D. of you”. The document contained the exam. results. Advanced classes in French etc., were taught by Miss Figg, afterwards Mrs. Brierley. Many boys, young me, and men no longer young, were attracted to the classes provided for self-improvement. The results were very great and far reaching, giving many young people a start in life which they would otherwise not have had. Mr. Robertshaw was the life and soul of the work; he had the task of bringing young men under his influence. His work was a very great asset to Stocksbridge and the result of his work is still with us. At the end of two years at Townend, which, on the whole had been a happy time, I told Mrs. Fox I would like to go the works and learn a trade. Mrs. Fox said they had been thinking about putting me in uniform and I was to become a footman to young Mr. Fox but she agreed for me to go to the works. My first job at the works was in the hot sheet mill, doing the work of a (Catcher) which was to stand behind the rolls with a pair of tongs and catch the out-coming piece of sheet steel and carry it down the mill. I did not remain at this work very long but went to work with Matthew Booth, a Mill Wright and after that to Thomas Herbert who had charge of the Steam Engines and heavy machinery. Here I was bound as an apprentice to engineering to serve till I was 22 years of age. At that time, there were only two others serving in that capacity. Nathaniel Crossland and John Whittaker. Before my apprenticeship had expired, I became a married man, my wages being twelve shillings a week and overtime. Meeting Mr. Fox one day in the yard, I ventured to ask him if he could advance my wages. His question was “How much hast thou”? I replied “Twelve shillings a week”. He said “I only had nine when I was an apprentice”. He told me to go and tell the cashier that I was to be paid fourteen shillings a week. Apprentices after this received 14 shillings a week in their last year. A few years after I was out of my time, Michael Cardens’ health failed and I was expected to carry on when he was absent from the works. The Engineering Department like other parts of the works, had increased very considerably. After several years of ill health, Michael Cardens passed away and I was appointed his successor. I had full charge of what was known as the Light Engineering Department. This gave opportunity for improvements and the introduction of new machinery. One day when Mr. Fox had been going the round of the works he sent for me into his office and told me to go into the Rail mill and see if I could not devise some method whereby there would be a reduction in the number of me employed in handling the hot rails and billets as they left the rolls, three of four me would pull the hot rail or billet to the hot saw to be cut into lengths. I at once devised a method which released two or three men. After being in charge of the Light Engineering Department, Thomas Herbert passed away. Then I was given full charge of all the engineering at the works. When my,position became more important I again ventured to ask Mr. Fox for an advance in wages – he held up his hand and said – “Leave that to me” – so the wages question after that was left to him and his successors. At the end of 45 years diligent service I expressed a wish to retire and left the works in 1907 with feelings of regret, both on my part and on the part of the man with whom I had been so long associated. I always had a desire to see foreign countries but had not the opportunity before retiring from business. So in March, 1907, I went to Palestine and Egypt, then the year later a trip round the world. Several times since then to Canada, also to France and Belgium, and then had my 81st Birthday on board the Montroyal on my way to Canada. Since my retirement, much of my time has been spent in public service and at the present time, 1927, I am still a Sunday School Teacher; a member of the West Riding County Council and the Stocksbridge U.D.C., Wortley Board of Guardians. An original member of the Old Age Pension Committee, Stocksbridge Education Sub-Committee, Bolsterstone, and Bradfield Education trusts and Sheffield Royal Institute for the Blind. In giving this record it has been a great surprise with what clearness and freshness the facts have come to my mind. My object in telling my little story is that possibly it may help and encourage others. J.S. May, 1927.
  14. As a young, enthusiastic, small steelworks manager I was responsible for introducing Freightliner movements of our steel bars to customers in Glasgow and , if memory serves me correctly…London and Exeter. As a “ jolly” I had an individual guided tour around the fairly recently opened Marshalling yard *and all I recall was a positive attitude toward the future. Of course, at that time…the late 1960s….Sheffield had a very busy local economy with bulk steel , engineering products and coal movements as well as of general freight. Road transport ,with door to door delivery ,saw the death knell of rail movements for small( ish) consignments….although British Road Services still operated the road equivalent of freight depots….”grouping” small individual consignments into a larger movement. * I “ cabbed” a class13!😛😊
  15. Toyne Street was named after land owner, David Toyne, who owned a house, stable and other buildings plus five closes of land, which were described as "in a high state of cultivation" and "eligible for country residences" when he offered them for sale in 1840. =================== Here are entries in the Sheffield Directories 1833 Directory Toyne David butcher, 38, Shambles h. Spring house. Crooks moor Toyne Mary, grocer and flour dlr. 17, Duke street, Park Toyne Nathan, butcher, 42, Shambles. ; h. Burngreave, Rock st: Toyne Thomas, butcher, 47, Shambles; h. 21, Arundel street ========================================== 1852 Directory Toyne David, 47 Shambles; h 60 St George's square Toyne Martin David, collector; h 60 St George's square Toyne Nathan, butcher, 45 Shambles; h Rock street Toyne and Rhodes, estate agents and collectors, 1 Bank buildings Toyne Thomas, butcher, 38 Shambles; h 63Arundel street Toyne and Wilkinson, 1nillinm-s, GO St George's square Toyne Wm. butcher, 43 Shambles; h Pitsmoor =================================== 1879 Directory Toyne Elijah, grocer and beer retailer, 125 Grimesthorpe rd Toyne George, agent for Sheepbridge Coal and Iron Co.(limited); h 59 Clarkegrove road Toyne John, tailor and draper, 201 Tinsley road Toyne Mrs Sarah Ann, dressmaker, 6 Cross Chapel street Toyne Thos. victualler, Freemasons' Arms, 383 Walkley ln Toyne Walter. Chamberlain, advertising. agent. 355 Shoreham st ===================================== 1901 Directory Toyne & Co. tailors, 8 George street Toyne Francis, architect, 6 Caxton road Toyne Frank, clerk, 110 Randall street Toyne Mrs. Sarah, 59 Clarkegrove road Toyne Mrs. Sarah Ann, tobacconist, 37 Chatham st Toyne Thos. vict. Freemasons' Arms, 383 Walkley la Toyne Thomas Henry, assistant editor, "Evening Telegraph," 202 Edmund road Toyne Waiter Ernest L.P.S.A.; L.S.S.A. London. physician & surgeon, Woodbourne, 11 Newman road, Wincobank Toyne William Austin,· commercial traveller, 25 Steade rd ====================================== 1905 Directory Toyne ·Frank, clerk, 85 Lancing road Toyne Hedley, traveller, 27 Boyce street Toyne Mrs. Sarah, 59 Clarkegrove road Toyne Mrs. Sarah Ann, tobacconist, 37 Chatham st Toyne Thomas Henry, assistant editor, "Evening Telegraph" 202 Edmund road Toyne Waiter Ernest L.P.S.A., L.S.S.A. London physician Woodbourne, 11 Newman road., Toyne Wm. Austin Marshall, com. trav. 25 Steade rd Toyne William Henry, laundryman, 75 Norton Lees Silver hill road, Meersbrook Bank ====================================== 1911 Directory Toyne Harold, shopkeeper, 46 Leader rd. Hillsboro' Toyne Mrs. Martha, 8 Withens avenue, Wadsley Toyne Mrs Mary, householder. 15 Burrowlee rd. Owlerton Toyne Mrs. Sarah, 59 Clarkegrove road Toyne Thomas Henry. Morton, journalist, 46 Osborne rd Toyne ·Walter Ernest L.S.A. London. physician & surgeon, Woodbourne, 11 Newman road, Wincobank;& attends daily, 12 to 12.30, 8 Jenkin rd. Toyne William Austin Marshall, commercial traveller, 307 Cemetery Road
  16. RichardB

    Coal Pit Lane

    http://history.youle.info/images/coal_pit_lane.jpg
  17. lysandernovo

    Ringinglow Coal mines ?

    The Devonshire Arms in Dore was Head Office for the "Dore Coal Mining Co"....It was named in a list of coal companies which were in existance at the time of nationalisation. I placed a small plaque in the pub ...which received a deal of disbelief/derision from some "incoming" regulars who didn't want to know that" leafy Dore" had an industrial heritage let alone that it had links with the coal industry.
  18. Edmund

    Ringinglow Coal mines ?

    In 1871 a consortium found coal at Ringinglow and sank two shafts, bringing up a small amount of good quality fuel. The had problems with water in the strata above the coal measures and despite spending £3,000 on efforts to remove the water, failed as it was above the coal. The promotors gave up on the scheme at this point. The two shafts stood idle until 1905 when the landowner, Alderman Wheatley (Mayor in 1903), filled them in. However in 1907 Alderman Wheatley, on the advice of mining surveyor F.G.Buxton, decided to reopen a drift mine into the seam, rather than go to the expense of sinking shafts. A pumping engine was used to clear the water which had been a problem previously. The seam was 4 ft 6 ins thick and believed to be spread under the whole of the 100 acres of land owned by Alderman Wheatley on the Sheffield side of Ringinglow. At Ringinglow village the seam is at the surface, but at the site of the old mill was about 70 yards deep. A few tons per week were being extracted in 1907.
  19. Hello I want to find more information about my great great grandfather. The information is quite scant. I have two names for him; Harry Osborne and William Osborne. My great grandfather was born in 1887 but his father wasnt on his birth certificate but is listed as William, stone mason and deceased on my great grandfather's marriage certificate in 1909. On my great grandfather's sister's birth certificate in 1876, he isn't listed. But on her marriage certificate in 1896(?) He is noted as Harry deceased and I think it says coal dealer or load dealer. On his wife's workhouse records and death certificate she is noted as the widow of a stone mason called both Harry on one record and William on another. Therefore, is there any records online noting local stone masons?? The time period is 1870s-1880s. Its very confusing but any help is much appreciated as I'm hoping it will help solve a family mystery!
  20. Andrea B

    Stone mason records

    Harry/William Osborne is a bit of an enigma. I can't find him on the census forms. He is only refered to on his children's marriage certificates (on his son's in 1909, he is noted as William Osborne stone mason, deceased; on his daughter's in 1890s, Harry Osborne, coal(?) dealer deceased) and also on his widow, Elizabeth's death certificate as Harry, a stone mason (deceased) and on her workhouse papers he is refered to as both Harry and William. He isn't mentioned on either children's birth certificates in 1876 and 1887 so I'm trying to work out if he really did exist. I'm hoping if there's some kind of directory of local stone masons, it might help me find out one way or another. Thanks
  21. SteveHB

    Meadowhall in 1967

    https://www.tierneyphotography.co.uk/blog/sheffield-industrial-icons-tinsley-cooling-towers "The Blackburn Meadows Power Station was built between 1937 and 1942. The two Tinsley cooling towers were numbered 6 and 7 and were two of seven cooling towers that stood on the site. The towers weighed about 3,074 and 2,019 tonnes respectively. In addition to Blackburn Meadows Power Station, two older coal-fired power stations built in the 1900s once stood on the site and generated electricity. In the late 1960s, the M1 was built around the cooling towers while the power station was still operational. The two remaining towers, which were 250ft high, stood around 17 metres away from the motorway. The main power station was demolished in the 1980s. The cooling towers remained standing as engineers did not have the expertise to bring them down safely without compromising the integrity of the motorway."
  22. We were up in Leeds yesterday, we went to the museum and on a dinosaur trail. The latter was significant as regards the question posed on this thread, Sheffield has a trail of bear statues, Leeds has a trail of Animatronic moving dinosaurs ! And very impressive they were too. Anyway, walking all around Leeds city centre the amount of money up there (compared to Sheff) is palpable, loads of impressive buildings (historical and modern), much construction going on (and not just student flats...), and loads of shopping centres, all of which appeared to be busy with hardly any empty units. Didn't Sheffield used to be as wealthy as Leeds back in the 60s / early 70s ? It certainly is not now. My theory is that Sheffield's wealth was based on steel, coal and heavy engineering, most of which has gone now. Are there any better theories ?
  23. Google Interactive Map Click here to see a larger map Map Index of 1950's Ordnance Survey Maps Abbeydale 263 Abbeydale - 52 Abbeydale Park - 307 Aperknowle village -146 Archer Rd - 261 Area NW of Aperknowle - 331 Aston - 114 Attercliffe - 178 Attercliffe - 180 Attercliffe - 181 Attercliffe - 66 Attercliffe - 87 Attercliffe - 92 Attercliffe - 93 Attercliffe Common - 142 Attercliffe/Darnall - 183 Attercliffe/Hyde Park - 95 Attrercliffe - 94 Banner Cross - 202 Banner Cross - 205 Barlow area. - 49 Beauchief - 216 Bellhouse Road - 58 Bellhouse Road - 59 Bents Green - 302 Bents Green - 313 Birkendale - 237 Birley Car - 248 Birley Carr/Foxhill - 249 Botanical Gardens - 242 Botanical Gardens - 243 Bradway - 213 Bradway - 330 Bradway - 337 Bradway/Totley Rise - 212 Bridgehouses - 10 Brightside - 160 Brightside - 174 Brightside - 175 Brincliffe - 229 Brincliffe - 56 Brinsworth - 151 Brinsworth - 155 Broomhall - 273 Broomhall/City Centre - 271 Broomhill - 230 Broomhill - 232 Broomhill/Tapton - 207 Burbage (part of), Hathersage Rd - 326 Burncross - 38 Burngreave - 5 Burngreave - 86 Burngreave Road - 11 Carbrook - 176 Carbrook - 177 Carbrook - 179 Carlisle Street East - 64 Carterknowle - 57 Chancet Wood - 258 Chapeltown - 26 Chapeltown - 293 Charltonbrook / Burncross - 39 Charltonbrook / Burncross - 39 b Chesterfield (part of) - 74 City Centre - 1 City Centre - 2 City Centre - 272 City Centre - 4 Coal Aston village (part) - 101 Coming later - 303 Concorde Park - 148 Crookes - 219 Crookes - 235 Crookes/Broomhill - 186 Crookes/Walkley Bank - 187 Crookesmoor - 233 Crosspool - 208 Crosspool/Broomhill - 283 Dalton - 116 Damflask - 209 Darnall - 123 Darnall - 125 Darnall - 143 Darnall - 144 Darnall - 166 Darnall - 182 Darnall - 184 Darnall - 191 Deepcar / Old Haywoods - 328 Derbyshire Lane - 15 Derbyshire Lane - 45 Dore - 266 Dore - 278 Dore - 279 Dore - 309 Dore - 310 Dore - 311 Dore & Totley Station - 214 Dore Moor - 343 Dronfield - 41 Dronfield - 42 Dronfield (part of), Chesterfield Rd, - 325 Dronfield/Quoit Green - 43 Dronfield/Snape Hill - 44 Ecclesall - 203 Ecclesall Woods (part) - 215 Ecclesall Woods (part) - 217 Ecclesall/High Storrs - 204 Ecclesfield - 24 Ecclesfield - 25 Ecclesfield - 294 Ecclesfield - 332 Ecclesfield - 76 Ecclesfield / Shiregreen - 77 Firth Park - 147 Firth Park - 300 Firth Park - 81 Firth Park - 85 Firvale - 83 Firvale - 84 Folderings / Onesacre - 158 Frecheville - 170 Fulwood - 222 Fulwood/Goole Green - 281 Fulwood/Stumperlowe - 280 General Infirmary (Northern General) - 82 Gleadless - 124 Gleadless - 145 Gleadless Common - 105 Gleadless Rd - 73 Gleadless Townend - 128 Glossop Rd - 231 Greenhill - 225 Greenhill - 227 Greenhill - 254 Greenhill - 51 Greenhill, Meadowhead - 342 Grenoside - 251 Grenoside - 28 Grenoside North West of - 200 Greystones - 192 Greystones Cliffe - 292 Grimesthorpe - 60 Grimesthorpe - 63 Hackenthorpe Estate (part) - 132 Hackenthorpe Estate (part) - 163 Hackenthorpe old village - 133 Hackenthorpe South of - 298 Hallamhead - 286 Hallamhead - 320 Handsworth - 156 Handsworth - 159 Handsworth - 161 Handsworth//Darnall - 167 Handsworth/Darnall - 140 Harley Village - 75 Harthill village - 107 Heeley - 100 Heeley - 20 Heeley - 21 Heeley Green - 19 High Wincobank - 172 High Wincobank - 62 Highfields - 13 Highfields - 23 HighGreen - 253 Hill Foot Bridge - 31 Hillfoot - 33 Hillsborough - 195 Hillsborough - 196 Hillsborough - 211 Hillsborough - 239 Hillsborough - 241 Hillsborough - 244 Hillsborough Park - 246 Holmesfield South of - 277 Hoyland Common - 40 Hunters Bar - 228 Hurlfield - 70 Intake - 127 Intake - 168 Intake - 169 Jordanthorpe - 297 Killamarsh (part) - 118 Killamarsh (part) - 119 Kimberworth - 134 Kiveton Park (part) - 106 Lees Hall - 14 Longley Lane - 47 Low Wincobank - 126 Low Wincobank - 171 Lowedges / Batemoor - 327 Lower Bradway - 296 Lower Bradway - 50 Lower Walkley - 240 Loxley - 288 Malin Bridge (part) - 193 Malinn Bridge (part) - 194 Manor Estate (part) - 185 Manor Top - 104 Meadowhead - 255 Meersbrook - 17 Meersbrook - 264 MeersBrook - 71 Meersbrook Park - 190 Middlewood Hospital - 199 Middlewood/Beeley Wood - 340 Millhouses - 218 Millhouses - 53 Millhouses - 55 Millhouses Park - 54 Millhouses/Whirlowdale - 201 Millthorpe, Cordwell Ln. - 339 Mosbrough (part) - 103 Nether Edge - 262 Nether Edge/ Little London - 265 Nethergreen - 88 Netherthorpe - 109 Netherthorpe - 274 Netherthorpe/Walkley - 275 Norfolk Park - 97 Norfolk Park - 98 Normanton Springs - 162 North Anston - 322 Northern General Hospital - 138 Norton - 299 Norton Lees - 16 Norton Lees - 290 Norton Lees - 291 Norton/Meersbrook - 46 Orgreave - 153 Oughtibridge - 335 Owler Bar, Baslow Rd - 328 Owler Bar, Baslow Rd - 329 Owler Lane - 61 Owlerton - 238 Owlerton - 245 Park Hill - 96 Parkwood Springs - 32 Parson Cross - 22 Parson Cross - 34 Parson Cross - 35 Parson Cross - 36 Philadelphia - 29 Pirate Sheffield - 250 Pitsmoor - 8 Pitsmoor - 89 Pitsmoor - 90 Pitsmoor/Grimethorpe - 91 Plumbley village - 102 Queens Road - 12 Ranmoor - 206 Ranmoor - 210 Ranmoor - 284 Richmond, Stradbroke Rd - 341 Ridgeway (part) / Ford - 164 Ringinglow Rd, Limb Valley - 334 Ringinlow - 221 Rivelin - 287 Rivelin Valley Rd - 189 Roe Wood - 48 Roe Wood - 9 Rotherham Bradgate - 135 Rotherham Canklow and Ickles - 150 Rotherham Clifton Park - 120 Rotherham Hilltop - 165 Rotherham Holmes - 154 Rotherham Meadowbank - 137 Rotherham Morgate - 121 Rotherham Town Centre - 149 Rotherham, Warren Vale - 324 Rotherham. Whinney Hill, Doncaster Rd - 323 Salmon Pastures - 67 Salmon Pastures - 68 Sandygate - 285 Shalesmoor - 6 Sharrow - 226 Sharrow - 267 Sharrow - 268 Sharrow - 269 Sharrow - 270 Sharrowvale - 224 Sheffield and Tinsley Canal - 65 Sheffield Park - 69 Shirecliffe Rd - 333 Shiregreen - 301 Shiregreen - 78 Shiregreen - 79 Shiregreen / Firth Park - 80 Shiregreen Lane - 7 Sky Edge - 99 Sothall - 122 Spring Bank - 234 Stannington - 223 Stannington - 282 Stannington - 318 Stocksbridge, Deepcar - 344 Stocksbridge - Works, Garden Village, Stocksbridge - 345 Swallownest - 117 Swinton - 115 Thorncliffe - 27 Thorpe Salvin West of - 129 Tinsley - 136 Tinsley - 139 Tinsley - 141 Totley - 305 Totley - 306 Totley Rise - 308 Totley West of - 220 Totley, Baslow Rd - 336 Ulley village - 112 Ulley village South of - 113 Unstone Village - 72 Upperthorpe - 30 Wadsley Bridge - 247 Wadsley/Hillsborough - 198 Wadsley/Hollowmoor - 197 Wales - 108 Wales Court - 110 Wales village (part) - 111 Walkley - 236 Walkley Bank. Bole Hill Rd - 188 Well Road - 18 West Bar - 3 West of Grenoside - 252 Wharncliffe Side - 276 Wharncliffe Side - 317 Whirlow - 312 Whitley - 37 Whitley - 37 b Wincobank - 173 Wisewood - 314 Wisewood - 319 Wisewood/Wadsley - 316 Woodhouse - 130 Woodhouse / Beaverhill area - 157 Woodhouse Mill - 152 Woodhouse/Coisley Hill - 131 Woodseats - 256 Woodseats - 257 Woodseats - 259 Woodseats - 260 Worrall - 289 Worrall Village - 304 Worrall/Wadsley - 315 Wybourn - 295 Alphabetical_Maps.txt
  24. Digger

    Local sayings from yesteryear!

    Eh By Gum. Realising local sayings may just be a corruption of plain English it is easy to put anything in the vernacular ( whats vernacular Harry ? Dunno, summat in dictionharry) I once asked a Doncaster worthy directions to a sports shop. Sithee; reet down street, turn reet at leets and it's on tha reet All reet ? Absolutely the cats whiskers. We're reet dahn in coal ole whe'r muck spats on winners; we've used all our coal and we're reet dahn to sinders; If yon bailiff cums he'll never findus; 'cos we're reet dahn.......
  25. Thanks for posting this fascinating documentary of the decline and fall of Sheffield's once global dominance of innovative and quality steel manufacturing. Some of the political conclusions surrounding the causes may well be controversial but the cine archive material is superb. *I recall in the 1950's having a day of 'work experience' (aged about 9) in The Hallamshire Steelworks. Vivid memories of men glistening with sweat and covered in coal dust, pouring molten steel from gigantic crucibles, to the sound of pounding trip hammers. Which of us do the hard and dirty work and who the pleasant and clean? John Ruskin John Turner, 'Work experience in the City of Steel' in Seniors Smiling: Sometimes Seriously, (2021)
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