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  1. History dude

    70 Acre Hill Darnall

    Have looked at the maps of that area on the Scotland map site and it appears it was nearly always part of the Tinsley Wood area most of it's life. There's some evidence of coal working quite close to it, but apart from that there is never been structures in the area to suggest anything for them. Ponds are sometimes associated with mine workings and the nearby one could be evidence of that.
  2. southside

    Wild Well at Norton Hollow?

    The bridge on the old turnpike road in Graves Park is probably a later addition to the turnpike, it is thought that earlier traffic would ford the stream rather than go over it. The stream (Cold Brook) was the source of water for the Wild Well at Norton Hollow. I walked part of the old turnpike route last summer, setting off from the top of Derbyshire Lane, going down through the Park, over the little bridge, up the tarmac lane and out of the park, along Little Norton Lane, down Dyche Lane and up towards Coal Aston, taking a right turn down Green Lane, where I caught the bus to Unstone Green to pick up the trail where it crosses over the river Drone at the old packhorse bridge (dated 1717) the trail goes up Old Whittington Lane, coming out by the Cock & Magpie pub just above Revolution House at Old Whittington.
  3. RLongden

    Swallows Colliery Mosborough

    https://www.nmrs.org.uk/assets/mines/coal/yorkshire/1854/S.html
  4. miamivice

    Swallows Colliery Mosborough

    I’m unsure if Silkstone referred to the seam of coal? Various evidence suggests that the pit shaft was between 146-160m deep - the coal authority suggests the latter. At some point in recent time the Coal Authorities website gave much more detail but now it’s basic in its information. Various sources have said the Moorside Colliery passed through Swallows workings in the early 90’s which may or may not suggest when it was filled in and capped. There is an inspection cover there but I’m afraid I’ve not got the apples to be lifting that up to check if there’s an abyss below...
  5. miamivice

    Swallows Colliery Mosborough

    Some fascinating shots there of the pit just after it’s closure. The area with the concrete and the old coal tub looks as if it was just beyond the pictures. I’m assuming they dragged all the waste up out the way once they built the houses. About 15 years ago I do recall there being a pile of bricks in the same area which seems to have disappeared, again presumably from one of the numerous brick small sheds located in the area.
  6. miamivice

    Swallows Colliery Mosborough

    Happened to be wandering about last week on Mosborough Moor, managed to snap the remains of an old coal tub in the undergrowth presumably from the old Moorside Colliery. It was in the undergrowth on a MASSIVE sheet of concrete which may or may not be coving an old adit. Also found what appeared to me the footings for the original pit head in the woods at Swallows Colliery. Further probing on the Coal Authorities website shows another shaft has appeared on their mapping system a few metres to the East of the two existing shafts. No evidence could be found of this. Not sure whether I was hoping for a gaping big hole in the ground!
  7. History dude

    Electrification

    Many of the issues that you mention were not really caused by political circumstances. But issues arising from using old technology. The UK in 1948 had great stocks of coal, so there was no need to invest in electric services or expensive and unreliable diesel trains. But then the problem of the pollution from coal burning messed that up. Clean air was needed and steam trains were a big cause of the smog. Electrification on the other hand needed loads of bridges to be heightened. That wasn't a problem in mainland Europe as nearly all the railway bridges had been blown up by the UK and USA forces. The Woodhead route was never extended to the South, even though the Great Central line to London was someone's idea of a high speed rail route, long before they were popular. To British Rail it was just duplication of services. BR also adopted 25KV electrification for nearly every other main route, so the Woodhead line was not compatible with this. Early on the diesel idea was going to be put in place. But I understand that there was some sort of crisis that ended cheap oil to the UK. When diesels were forced on BR, bad management insured a mess. So orders went out for the wrong type of locomotives, leading to many getting scrapped after five years of life. All from public money, but BR were good at keeping things like that quite.
  8. RLongden

    Birley collieries

    Birley East Colliery Silkstone seam abandoned 1934 Coal production ceased completely November 1943 Training centre opened and training commenced December 1943 Training stopped June 1948 Birley East branch line closed 1950 Underground and surface quipment stripped out and buildings demolished 1950-1952 Downcast shaft filled to surface Feb 1963 Upcast shaft filled to surface May 1986 Both shafts capped February 1990 Training centre buildings on Beighton Road demolished 1998
  9. Such a pity Oldmaps.co.uk have several maps that Ive never found on other map sites, particularly earlier than 1900, always seemed damned expensive to subscribe just to zoom in and still be restricted to 300 maps per month. I shall miss this site greatly, was a tremendous help in locating old pre 1900 coal mines
  10. Lyn 1

    Chillblaines

    Me too. Coal fires - heat only reached my dad who sat with his feet on the oven hob. Wellies were never enough to keep our feet warm. Winters were real winters. No central heating or fitted carpets just lino and rugs on top of concrete floors. Not so much climate change but better standard of living perhaps though no doubt climate change occured due to things improving.
  11. Digger

    Local sayings from yesteryear!

    Eh By Gum. Realising local sayings may just be a corruption of plain English it is easy to put anything in the vernacular ( whats vernacular Harry ? Dunno, summat in dictionharry) I once asked a Doncaster worthy directions to a sports shop. Sithee; reet down street, turn reet at leets and it's on tha reet All reet ? Absolutely the cats whiskers. We're reet dahn in coal ole whe'r muck spats on winners; we've used all our coal and we're reet dahn to sinders; If yon bailiff cums he'll never findus; 'cos we're reet dahn.......
  12. Yes it was Silverwood Colliery, Thrybergh, Rotherham; I used to work there. They replaced the name Silverwood with a fictional Clayfield Colliery, At the time of filming, coal production had ceased and most of the workforce had been made redundant. Just a few workers and management were left to do salvage and prep for full closure. Some of these men appeared as extras in the film, eg stretcher bearers.
  13. Charles Gilson

    Howard Hotel, Howard Street

    The building The Howard was made up from many smaller buisenes there were six cellers and a 7th which was a coal cellar also a well in one them which my father found when the flag stones gave way revealing a 70 ft drop into a stone encased well The building next to the Howard was also of simular size but remained unrenovated and only rented to a guy who sold T shirts this was also owed by the proprietor of the howerd and the reason why the university could not purchase as it had grade 2 listing in regard to its windows sold in the 90s to my knowledge to either Mansfield or Marston brewer for an undisclosed amount . Great memories or growing from boy to man here staff were excellent like family to us but I think we were seen as the slave maser sometime best wishes to all who worked, drank and stayed with us
  14. johnm

    Brickworks in Sheffield ?

    On the general topic of brickworks its interesting to note that a brickworks could often be a very small enterprise eg a single kiln with around 6 cells which were used for a single company. This was the case with mines which used a lot of bricks so it made sense for the mine owner to make his own bricks. I live in North Yorks now, where most ironstone mines were like this & I guess Sheffield coal mines would be the same too.
  15. miamivice

    Holbrook colliery shaft

    It’s sort of at the apex of the corner between EMR and some other big unit. If as you approach the site from the back of the garage and bear right, it follows round to the enclosure. A lot of this is supposition but the stone gabions are where the outlet is for draining the adit, which according to the Coal Authority was stopped and a small pipe placed inbye to allow it to drain in 1997. So I’m guessing the original entrance to the Adit may have been where the gabions are or around that area and the drains altered slightly. Either way the chain link fence was full of warnings about ‘Deep Water’ so it’s possible the actual entrance is underwater and the various pipes act as an overflow. The water was deadly stagnant almost like that public information film deterring kids from messing about near water. I don’t know what it is but the whole area where the pit was gives me the creeps!
  16. RLongden

    Holbrook colliery shaft

    @Paolo Coopio I know where you are. Field Farm was on the site of where the bus garage is now. The top circle is where the path in between the bus garage and Woolley Brothers (abattoir) meets the railway bridge, with a right turn just beforehand on to a path, leading along the back of the bus garage. There has been some landscaping done along this path, but it quickly levels out and opens up into the track bed that is photograph #3 from @Unitedite Returns. The path is narrower than the photo at this point, but only due to the growth of thick brambles and adjacent to a steel fence, underfoot is littered with what looks like ballast, old coal and clinker. The path eventually drops down, over a timber footbridge, then continues back on the track bed, eventually passing under the railway bridge, underneath Station Road. This has also been landscaped to form a foothpath that bends to the right, to meet up with the footpath, created to run parallel to the road. The original railway line would have continued through where the stone-filled wire gabions have been stacked - recently cut and emptied by the local scroats! Its a path that we use regularly on our local walking circuits, so next time I’m down there, I’ll try and get five photos that represent the current images of the ones that @Unitedite Returns took, in June 44 years ago!
  17. miamivice

    Holbrook colliery shaft

    Edit checked the Coal Authority website, there looks like a mound covered in gabions thar is the outlet for the waste water adit from the pit. I could have looked inside the gates as the lock was broken, but call me a chicken but I didn’t dare.
  18. Lysanderix

    Sheffield City Airport.

    The Labour Party had no desire to have an airport. following the collapse of the 1968 scheme to open one at Todwick. Alderman Sterland in 1970 declared..."Sheffield people didn't want one because of all the noise it would generate". And, true to form, as soon as the leasehold for the nascent Sheffield City Airport (SCA) was transferred from the Sheffield Development Corporation (SDC) to the Council they lost interest ....especially after Peel Holdings bought the airport and quickly closed down its ILS ( Instrument Landing System ) ,reduced fire and emergency cover and thus made it impossible for commercial passenger aircraft to operate. Many people believe the project was a Council affair.... This was true, insofar as they made a 1986 Council proposal for a" small, local feeder airport using short take off and landing aircraft ". However, it was the Conservative Government sponsored regeneration agency, Sheffield Development Corporation ,which actually opened the airport. SDC's original intention was for it to be built in return for allowing AF Budge ( Mining) Ltd to open -cast the coal under the Tinsley Park site. in return for building a runway and small terminal. Budge went bust...after extracting all the coal without any. start on the airport being made...leaving the SDC with only land left to bargain with. Glenlivet Ltd agreed to build the £6 million airport in return for the freehold of 42 acres of land on which a Business Park was to be built ....the profits from which would subsidise the probable loss making airport during its early years. Additionally, a further 80 acres of land was leased on a 999 year lease which could be bought for £1.00 should the airport fail. Clearly, there was something of a conflict of interests...especially when property developers were involved. All of this coincided with the rapid growth of "lo-co" aviation whose aircraft of choice needed a runway somewhat longer than at SCA. London City Airport ( on which SCA was based as to length of its runway) had the same problem but added "starter strips" and the airport is now a great success. Sheffield had similar plans but they were never progressed. The agreement to close the airport by the Council as Leaseholders did not exactly receive a "clean bill of health" from the Audit Commission who felt the Council had just accepted Peel's figures and not investigated fully. A little later, Sir Andrew Cooke offered to purchase the Airport, run it commercially and, if it didn't make a profit, to then hand it back to Peel. This offer was rejected out of hand by Peel. The only public money involved was a grant by the EU of £3 million to build the access road, Europa Way....Of course Peel and their associates...gained 122 acres of prime development land...close to the M1 for a £1.00....which ,I understand, the City has never received....but I suppose it gets Business Rates from the much extended Business Park and the City, as a consequence, has gained some valuable employment!🙄
  19. Jane Hanwell Ferguson

    Hanwell's Coal Delivery

    Edwin Hanwell who ran the coal dealing business was my gt gt uncle. He lived in Botham Street. My father knew him as Uncle Ted. He used to take the family to Blackpool on holiday in his coal lorry, and judging by the passengers in the back, this could be one of those outings. Thank you so much for the photo, it is great to see the actual lorry spoken about by my father.
  20. Have no recollection of Fess Parker visiting the Abbeydale , Dave. We were regular patrons but for some reason I remember seeing the Alamo at Woodseats Palace resplendent in my mums homemade Davy Crockett hat. This resembled a sheepskin tea cosy with a tail. Incidentally, I remember vividly, collecting labels from Armor Star tinned products such as corned beef and peaches , sending them off and getting Davy Crockett memorabilia ,which in our case amounted to a few badges and balloons. i think if you ate the equivalent of a cow in tinned corned beef you got a free hat. A further recollection of that period is of my next door neighbour turning up with a Davy Crockett pistol which was like a flintlock replica. Totally uselss in army games or cowboy games where silver six shooters or black Lugers were the essential authentic kit. The only time he used it again was when he was sat on top of our coal house playing Capt Dan Tempest from the Buccaneers.
  21. rover1949

    Mystery Tar Works

    I was idly looking at the side by side maps of the this area just to see how the coal industry changed the landscape, - in 1890 it was all farming. I noticed a little place called California, the name exists today just as a road name. Which came first, the US State or the Yorkshire hamlet?
  22. neddy

    Parkwood Road Railway Bridge

    There were three railway bridges on Parkwood Road, one a footbridge still there and leading to a footpath, one taken down in the 50's leading to the coal drops, and one still there on Parkwood Road leading towards the refuse tips.
  23. fentonvillain

    What about OLD Sheffield?

    You really would have to have been born into a certain class of society and in a certain period to really appreciate the benefits of the rag n tag, Norfolk Market Hall and Dixon Lane. It wasn't about prices (which were as low as they could get), nor was it about quality (which was as varied as you chose), it was about COMMUNITY. A community that travelled together on trams and buses, not cars, that walked long distances without thinking it extraordinary, that faced hardships such as coal rationing, very long snowbound winters and basic foodstuffs and which above all related to one another. This last part applied on the streets, in the pubs, in the churches, and in the mucky, disease provoking workshops of an industrial city which was proud of its name. Those contributors here who denigrate the atmosphere of the Saturday markets can not have had a life rooted in such fertile ambience. You could not go "to town" on a Saturday without meeting several acquaintances or relatives. It was a village atmosphere in a city. Now such puritan architecture experts try to re-create such an ambience with false identities like Poundbury. You can't. Meadowhall will never be like the rag n tag. It was there. We loved it. We missed it and will miss it for all our remaining days along with the colourful characters who you see in the historic black and white photos. Cherish the photos. Regret that you didn't experience it. For it was US....US SHEFFIELDERS...us carrying coal from the canal wharf in a barrow, picking up horsemuck for the tiny rosebed in the backyard, clearing the snow off our front, spreading coke on icebound steep footpaths, and visiting family every Saturday on Sunday, unannounced but always welcomed. This WAS life! A postal order from your grandad at Christmas was like a win on the treble chance. An apple and an orange a fruitful bounty. Everything that came after that was, by comparison, shallow and lifeless. You can have your nightclubs and your cocktail bars. You have NOT lived. The writer's grandmother sold flowers in Dixon Lane from an upturned fruitbox. She was killed by an unlicensed teenage driver as she crossed East Bank Road on her way home . RIP Martha Westnidge. RIP the best days of our life.
  24. Roger Arevalo

    Mystery Tar Works

    I think whatever it was there was probably some kind of gas handling there. Just because so much to do with coal involves gas - whether syngas from pyrolysis and distillation, or methane from mine workings. Now that I think of it, does mine water have gas dissolved in it that coud be separated and used? Not saying that's what it was but it'd be an interesting idea if a facility brought up both mine gas and water and used them to process each other. Also you could have just replied at the bottom of the thread - you don't need to quote the entire original post. 🙂
  25. rover1949

    Mystery Tar Works

    It looks like a temporary water treatment plant on the edge of a larger construction site. Dirty water goes in at the left, through filter presses and comes out clean on the right. Gas goes up the chimney. Two possible applications; (1) before developing a large coal field several test bores were drilled to establish what lay beneath or (2) landfill sites have vents installed to release leachate (dirty water) and gasses as the ground settles. Either case would need some treatment plant to dispose of the ground water.
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