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  1. Sheffield History

    Wheats Lane

    Would not recommend the trip down this little lane. It seems it's an alleyway that the druggies have selected to use as their toilet so was easily the worst smelling place I've ever experienced. Not a great time walking down there. Anyway - this is Wheats Lane off Paradise Square. Thought you might appreciate the photos
  2. For anybody interested in the Sheffield steel industry I was always told that the steel industry started there because of a ready supply of charcoal, iron ore, millstone grit and water power. In the 17 and 1800's it was the water power of all the Sheffield rivers that provided the energy to make it all happen. Back then most of the rivers around Sheffield were dammed and the water used to turn water wheels. An 1855 ordnance survey map of that time shows dams, weirs and water wheels throughout the area. As far as I know, only the Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet, is the only one left and is a museum. I'm not sure if it actually works or is a static museum. However, my Dad worked at the water wheel driven forge at Clay Wheels Lane, almost opposite where Fletcher's bakery is - remember the Fletcher's fire? He worked there through the 1930's till it closed sometime in the 1950's but the actual forge was built around 1755. At some time after it was built it was used to forge large guns for the navy and was owned by Thomas Firth and John Brown Ltd. Some time later the forge became the property of the Tyzack family who already had the tenancy of the Abbeydale works – see http://www.tilthammer.com/bio/tyzac.html When Tyzack’s took the interest in Clay Wheel forge they used it to produce scythes for the agricultural industry – similar to what they were doing at Abbeydale. Apparently many of the male members of my family were master scythe forge men. Sometime in 1941 a film crew from Thomas Firth and John Brown Ltd. Came to film the Clay Wheel forge for posterity and I was lucky enough to obtain a 16 mm copy of it. I (rather crudely) made a VHS copy some 25 years ago by projecting it onto the dining room wall and shot it with a VHS camcorder. I have now posted it on You Tube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqV3jtkQSe4 The film is interesting because it shows what Abbeydale Works might have been like when operating – although I believe Abbeydale was smaller than the Clay Wheel forge. I apologize for the poor quality of the video – I do still have the 16mm. movie and if there is any interest I will have it professionally converted and re-post. Also for anyone interested I have many high quality black and white photographs of the clay wheel forge from various sources. Edit: dead link
  3. I've found reference to Button Hill Colliery on a map about 1830. It seems to be on the land that is now Mylnhurst School at the Woodholm Road / Button Hill junction. Does anybody have any knowledge of this long-forgotten coal mine?
  4. lysandernovo

    Sheffield Road Tinsley, Then and Now

    I worked for quite a few of my formative years down Lock Lane, just off Sheffield Road, by the side of the canal and was there from start to finish of the viaduct and subsequent alterations to the road network. The shops in those days were busy. A bank, a hairdresser ( Alf Swindells kept it. He was a man who "knew " everything and "everybody", A customer visited Rome on holiday. Alf asked if he had seen the Vatican? The customer replied that he had and,indeed, he had been blessed by seeing the Pope. "Did he speak to you"? enquired Alf. Yes he did" replied the customer. "What did he say? "...."Who cuts your bl**dy hair "? replied his custome.There was also a fish and chip shop...using coal for its range and dripping for its chips, a post office, a chemist and others beyond my memory. The first photo is looking toward the Ickles and Rotherham. There was a large pub on the right ( not the Plumpers). Sadly, its name eludes me but it was a Tennants/Whitbread house and I think it can just be made out in the distance. The second and third Plumpers were behind the photographer. Can't help with the loft windows but in the 50/60s it was said that many lofts in this part of the world had been knocked through to permit ( illegal) renting of bed spaces along a line of terraces... for the very many immigrant labourers employed in Tinsley's steel works.
  5. Ursa Minor

    The Road in the middle of the River? Help needed..

    I thought I'd read somewhere that the original Sheffield to Penistone Turnpike went on Clay Wheels Lane and Beeley Wood Lane and then crossed the river by the ford to join the new road just before the toll house. However I don't remember where I read it, But here's a snippet from the book "A Layman's Look at the History, Industry, People and Places of Oughtibridge, Worrall and Wharncliffe Side". by Doug Sanderson.
  6. lol ... I know that the houses were pulled down in 1974, an appalling decision as it would have been much cheaper to invest in upgrading them, even though they were very old. There was a patch of open land at the bottom of Hands lane by then where three (?) smell houses once stood on the corner of Commonside and Hands Lane, on the opposite side to the Closed Shop pub. The houses had decent front gardens but, of course, nobody used the front doors and the way in was by the back lane. I was brought up in Sunderland so my visits to Sheffield tended to be at Christmas. Dad had a car (he was a teacher!) and to get into the lane he had to drive onto the car park behind the Closed Shop and down the kerb, across Hands Lane and between the rather narrow gateposts that guarded the entry into the yard, after warning people to lift their washing out of the way! There was a block of toilets on the left, then wash-houses for the houses themselves. 36 was the very end one, next to the wall separating it from what was, by the early 1970s, a hospital. It's now a retirement home, but originally must have been an impressive private residence with servants and the like. Anyone confirm its name as the one Dad called it doesn't match that on the map I have from roughly 1903. Dad suggested that the Commonside houses had one belonged to the 'big house' and had been for domestic staff and the like. This might explain why the wash-house for 36 had a collection of equipment more suited to a stable or somewhere with horses. Had the original residents been ostlers? Dad suggested that the lane was the original access to the 'big house' and that the current entrance point on Commonside itself, much nearer the 'Old Bank,' was a much later addition but, sadly, he passed away before we could complete the jigsaw. What he did say was about the well, which must have been roughly behind no. 40 or 42. He described it as a bell shape, much wider at the base than the top, which sounds terrifying. It's strange to think that I can remember people who can remember drawing water from a well and not from a tap in the kitchen. Tell that to fowk today and they won't believe you ... It's a fact! You've stirred up some very fond memories and, as it's Easter and I've just broken my fast, I am raising a glass to you in thanks. Chris
  7. WestTinsley

    Sheffield in 1966 - Film Footage

    Yes, I looked it up earlier. This is an indepth report on it , plus SY Fire Brigade images: December 14 1984 https://www.ife.org.uk/Firefighter-Safety-Incidents/1984-brightside-lane/38953
  8. Lemmy117

    Sheffield in 1966 - Film Footage

    I remember when it caught fire, I was out doing some road survey work in Brightside and got diverted on my way back to Manor Lane depot, really bad fire, loads of smoke. By that time I think the depot was run by National Carriers.
  9. RLongden

    509 Pitsmoor Road (Fountain Villa)

    Interesting to also see the post office in the map posted by @madannie77 was the cream coloured house, across Shirecliffe Lane, in the bottom Image posted by @Sheffield History The building across from the end of Shirecliffe Lane, between the road fork of Pitsmoor Road and Burngreave Road is the toll bar, one of the places where the turnpike road was gated and a toll was payable to pass.
  10. madannie77

    Football stadium 1930's identification

    I am not sure that Bramall Lane had a stand like that one in the 1930s. I am wondering if it is a greyhound track, the white posts being the upright parts of the fence separating the track from the field. Not that I know much about dog tracks, and I can't find any images of the local ones from the right period.
  11. History dude

    Wadsley Bridge mystery location

    Is that bloke up near the top end of the street collecting horse muck, that can also be seen in the street? Or is it a coal dump? By the way that's one of the dirtiest roads I have seen on one of these old photos.
  12. Edmund

    Andrews stationers Holly Lane

    G.D. Andrews, Commercial and Scholastic Stationers, were at 4 Holly Lane in 1931.
  13. Edmund

    Civic Restaurant

    The National Restaurants were first proposed in 1918 to minimise food waste and use of coal, and the initial ones were in London. The first one in Sheffield was opened in April 1919 in the old "Lion Restaurant" premises at the corner of Nursery Street and the Wicker. The food was provided by the council kitchens that had been set up to cook food for poor children. The restaurant had places for 200 customers, with self service rather than waitresses.
  14. I followed the link to the earlier thread where Forgeman had posted this link: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/spy/index.cfm#zoom=18&lat=53.4222&lon=-1.5176&layers=168&b=1&r=30 If the "Road in the middle of the River" is at SK 32020 91859 (53°25'22"N 1°31'11"W) then it is simply a ford carrying the extension of Stockarth Lane from Middlewood Road North across to Beeley Wood Lane
  15. Looks like Bramall Lane with the posts protecting the cricket square. Mind, it's about 50 year since I was last there so my recollection may be a bit faulty!
  16. fentonvillain

    Sharrow Lane School Reunion XMAS 2019

    See the entry under SCHOOLS to find details of the latest Reunion event at Sharrow Lane School. Edit: Link ..
  17. Sheffield History

    Bramall Lane - 1911

    Could this be 'Empire Day' celebrations ?
  18. Edmund

    The hunt for the mysterious Garden Gate Inn pub...

    In 1893 the pub was the headquarters of Nottingham boxer Loll Hunt (21 years, 5 foot 6, 8 stone 9 pounds). His manager was Frank Howson a well known local publican, so possibly the Garden Gate was in Frank's hands at that point. On 13th March at the Edmund Road Drill Hall, Hunt beat William Clarke of Sheffield to the £25 prize after 20 rounds with 4 oz. gloves under Queensberry Rules. Charles Ashley had the beer house at 24/26 Harvest Lane in 1901 - complete with 8 boarders, he died in March 1911. By 1914 it was on the Compensation List ready for closure. The owners' solicitor pleaded that "if it was only to retain an old and pleasing title, the Garden Gate, Harvest lane, should remain". The owners were Messrs. A.H. Smith and the landlady Mrs Malvina Ashley. The owners rejected a compensation offer of £400 (though had accepted by December) but Mrs Ashley had immediately accepted £110.
  19. madannie77

    The hunt for the mysterious Garden Gate Inn pub...

    Whites 1911 directory has: 24 & 26 Harvest Lane: Ashley Charles, beerhouse (the Old Harrow is listed as 34 Harvest Lane ) There are a few mentions on here: But I can't find it in the A-Z index
  20. SteveHB

    Sheffield Midland Train Station

    Howard Street, corner of Eyre Lane, looking down to Midland Station Hotel Date Period:1900-1919 https://www.picturesheffield.com/s17707
  21. Here is a real Sheffield History teaser for you. In this photo is the Old Harrow pub which was at number 34 Harvest Lane, and we're looking towards Bridgehouses and the junction with Mowbray Street. That's not what we're here for however. Instead look at the building left of centre with the writing 'Garden Gate Inn' on the end gable. Question here is was there actually a Garden Gate Inn pub in Sheffield? I've been told there's no record of it at all?
  22. neddy

    The hunt for the mysterious Garden Gate Inn pub...

    1911 Malvina Ashley 57 widow, 24 Harvest Lane Beerhouse Keeper Licenced Victualler own account.
  23. Edmund

    Becoming a city.

    In January 1893 the Council appointed a special committee to consider and report on the best means of celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the Incorporation of Sheffield, and in February at a special meeting , resolved to petition the Queen to confer the title of City on the borough. A week later it was announced that the request had been made. The Borough Jubilee Committee, at its first meeting, requested 28 representatives of various public bodies to discuss the celebrations and the holding of an exhibition to show the rapid growth of local trades. The outcome of this was a counter proposal that aimed for something more favourable to the inhabitants - a new building to be used as a Central Free Library at the junction of Church Street, Vicar Lane and St James Street (to replace the inadequate existing Central Library). In June the Jubilee Committee reported that the Town Trustees had refused to donate the required 1,120 yards of land needed so the scheme was abandonned. At the same meeting a public ball to take place on 24th August was suggested, to be financed by public subscription and ensuring that the aged poor could attend. This was veoed by the Council, but consent was given for a half holiday on that date, for council employees. Another special committee was set up to revise the Borough Arms and submit the new City Arms to the College of Arms for approval. On the 24th August (the actual Jubilee of the Incorporation), a number of council members attended an evening banquet at the Cutlers Hall. The Mayor was present, having just returned from Chatsworth and Hadon Hall, where he had entertained over 250 officials and others of the Corporation, in celebration of the Jublilee. The City was decorated and from noon taken as a holiday. On the 25th, 26th and other dates the Mayor provided all the council's worken (over 1,500) with tea and entertainment. Some more info here: http://www.calmview.eu/SheffieldArchives/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=CA666&pos=22
  24. Court 13 Watery Lane from an aerial photo taken in 1938. My forebears originated just out of shot of here. Amazing area; gone but not forgotten.
  25. Details of the much-requested next reunion of pupils from the years 1948-1958 are now available. It will take place at noon on Wednesday 27 November in the school hall cafe. Numbers will be strictly limited to 30 but if demand is sufficient then an additional date can be arranged. THIS WILL BE A CHRISTMAS LUNCH EVENT with turkey, pigs in blankets and all the trimmings, and an attractive seasonal vegetarian option. A hot drink, cracker and mints is included in the price. Dessert will be a choice of a mincemeat crumble or a chocolate pudding. One course £10.95, two courses £11.95. A decision is yet to be made on whether to make wine available or to accept corkage. A deposit of £5 will be required. Closing date for the deposit will be 12 November. I am happy to arrange for table reservations for groups who notify me of numbers in advance. I will also seek permission to have music to accompany carols etc if we get a good crowd. To participate in this event please respond to this notice as soon as possible. I will be monitoring responses. Or send me a personal message through this Forum. DO NOT SEND MONEY JUST YET! I will give details of how this will be done in the course of the next couple of weeks. But it is essential that, if this event is to happen and be successful, you tell all your peer group and get them to respond quickly. I shall also be posting this notice on the Sheffield Forum and will be contacting all those whose email addresses I already have. If you don't get an email from me it will be because I don't have your email address listed. David France (1946-53)
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